White wabbit wrote: »

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

What are you even calling nerfs for? Like specifically what do you want nerfed?

Major Mending passive would be a start.

How exactly?

The Sacred Ground passive, just completely remove it or change it to Minor Mending.

So the healer-class is not supposed to get THE healing passive? maybe change it to another skill or so, but removing it completely is not really an option.

No, you get major Mending from a fully charged Resto heavy attack, restoration staffs are what healers use, makes sense. Someone with all the cheese gear and getting major Mending is ridiculous, you've seen the healing on a Stam DK right? It's exactly the same.

Will you please make a detailed list of your recommended templar nerfs so I can provide you the evidence that every one of those skills and abilities has already been repeatedly nerfed. Thanks.

Unstable core that needs nerfing while we are at it

I actually laughed out loud and woke my son up reading this. Thank you for the chuckle.

Original Poster, in a group of at least 5 (that's how many were lit up in your healing radius in the castle), tanks at most 7 potatoes (that's how many were on screen while you were at scroll and they are potatoes because they did not interrupt you once spamming dark flare even though they were in melee range) .

Posts nerf thread claiming only 2 templars took on a group of 20 EP.

No bias to see here. Just move along and don't dare stop the nerfs cries.

maxjapank wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer...I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.

Waffennacht wrote: »

I would also like to point out that @WillhelmBlack is an experienced player and not one to just throw out "nerf this nerf that..." kind of stuff. Im going to listen to him a bit more than some players.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Major Mending passive. (Never been nerfed).

Radiant Destruction (Recently over buffed).

For someone who supposed to be an experienced player, they seem very inexperienced in regards to a Magicka Templar. You should read @Ron_Burgundy_79 post.

But if you missed it, Templar's have always had "Major Mending". It wasn't the 25% bonus to heals that you get now, it was actually 30%. 30% to anyone standing in our Cleansing Ritual and/or Rune Focus. Breath of Life was nerfed not to long ago to only give one secondary heal. But to make up for this, we received the ability to get Major Mending while standing in our own Cleansing Ritual and/or Rune Focus and for 4 secs after leaving it.

What's the difference? Before...you had to be in my circle to get my bonus heals. Now...only I have to be in it.

Radiant has also been nerfed many times. It has never been over buffed. If you mean over buffed by being undodgeable, then you are mistaken. Radiant was never intended to be dodgeable. During the time it was, it was because it was bugged. And during that time, nearly every Templar took it off their bar in pvp. I get it that Stam players that rely on shuffle/dodging don't like Radiant. But Radiant is a good counter to them.

Call me or others forumplars. But I think I'll listen to people who actually know the class and play the class.

5% OMG, what a nerf!

Forumplars, they don't have the reputation of being the most unreasonable players in game for no reason xD

So when stamina 'eventually' gets balanced there's literally no point being anything other than a magicka Templar? They counter literally every other class with Breath of Life, Purify and Radiant Destruction alone. Cool.

There's a reason good Templars like Benzyboy and Blabafat stopped playing the class.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer. This video isn't for bragging purposes I just got bored of my NB and took the Templar for a spin.
I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.be

Group of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.

Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.

I'm just going to say I am pretty dissapointed by this community of PvP players who keep asking for buffs and nerfs when the classes are more balanced than they've ever been just because there's some builds that counter theirs and because they really don't know how the game is balanced around.

Please @WillhelmBlack go read the passive abilities and active abilities of the diferent classes and actually say something that makes sense to the community before adding more cells to the cancer. Thank you.

so wait...let me get this straight dudes upset because his templar wasnt dead? fkr didnt kill anyone. as a matter of fact i call BS. the only reason templar is so defensive right now is because we have to slot heavy 90% of the time to survive burst. must be nice to be a sorc and get 20k shields in two casts, while being able to stack spell damage and magic, being able to use LA and a destro staff/resto staff...or a NB and teleport, being invis and stuff and again using LA, destro, resto....atleast those weapons and armors are AVAILABLE for you to use. must be real fukin nice to be a stamina user, stacking weapon damage, MA and having the same survivability as my heavy armor magplar. BOL is strong right now...want to know why? because shields suck ***, LA does not synergize with us as well as sorcs and NBs. BOL does MORE HEALING because of heavy armor passives...i think it's 8%? thats a lot...

if you (ANY spec/class) come across a LA wearing templar with a destro staff and a resto staff...kill him...trust me, he will die faster than a fly at a frog farm. our defense is severely gimped with LA and resto compared to heavy and a board. our magic spec was designed to have the bubble from LA, to preemptively cast anulment, then go into combat, when thta shield goes down, we are supposed to cast BOL and annulment again. rinse repeat. unfortunatly, because of ZOS and battlespirit nerfs to shields we are forced to run heavy and board and just spam heal....but even this? who cares? cause while i'm spamming heals i'm not killing ***. and there is rarely time to go offensive while spammin BOL.

all you guys calling magplar in a good place? just because you can kill a few scrubs in PVP doesnt mean ***. go fight any COMPETENT class/spec. you find somthing common...templar are weak on damage, if you do win the fight other dude isn't as good with his class as he should be. you'll also notice that the survivability is great...butt you can't damage when you're healing. 1v1 you may be able to go glass cannon...but in any 1vX situation you'll drop like a sack of taters, unless you can LoS with mists like a CHAMP...but, pop ur head out from around that tree, WOOP there goes half your health and a stun, there goes half my stam to break free, now i have to BOL again and try to land this toppling charge...

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer. This video isn't for bragging purposes I just got bored of my NB and took the Templar for a spin.
I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.be

Group of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.

Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.

I'm just going to say I am pretty dissapointed by this community of PvP players who keep asking for buffs and nerfs when the classes are more balanced than they've ever been just because there's some builds that counter theirs and because they really don't know how the game is balanced around.

Please @WillhelmBlack go read the passive abilities and active abilities of the diferent classes and actually say something that makes sense to the community before adding more cells to the cancer. Thank you.

I just had to report that disgusting comment you left on my YouTube channel. Get your head screwed on mate.

This guys, is a top tier forumplar. Truly gobsmacked.

I am playing a Nightblade actually. Anyway, my knowledge of the game is pretty solid and lately just because of the patch there's so many posts about nerf this, balance that... Just makes me ill. Do you duel a lot?

If they nerf Magicka Templars they'll be out of competitivity. What you're stating with this video is the fact that a Magicka Templar built in Defensively shouldn't be able to stand against 5 players. IT IS RIDICULOUS, because when 7 jump at you, you're down + you had a personal healer, also built defensively healing you for 90% of the time + this players were weak.

You say i'm a hardcore forumplar or so what, I say you're not really clever and are only adding more **** to a community that's actualy trying to achieve a balanced game.

i'm beginning to feel like, even if they buff LA to be on par with MA, magplars all over will begin wearing LA again, and accually be dealing competitive damage and get calls to nerf them again because their damage is on par with theirs...but at that point, (because i don't think they relieve the annulment nerf) templars will be the squishiest thing in cyrodil...temps don't need heals nerfed, we need shield buffed, so we can attack after a shield cast. in LA the damage you take is so rediculously high that it's just not worth it. why do you think so many players have DEVOLVED their templars into reactive/malu healbots?

because it's the ONLY thing we do well...tank, heal, and support everyone else while we cast RD just to get a kill...i refuse to do that, i have tried, and i feel like i'm falling victim to the meta, i have tried to wear LA again...using annulment with a resto staff or even a sword nd board for defense...but thats not enough. the damage is still wimp AF..that is unles we ACCUALLY manage to hit somthing with our Dark Flare...you know...because every single spec in this game except templar have a counter to that. dodge roll, reflect, bubbles, cloak...and don't get me started on RD...only reason people think it's OPAF is because of all thoe healbots who have given up on templar damage, all those healbots who feel like it's the only thing they are good at. if templars had mages fury instead of RD you' all be bitching about that

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

i'm beginning to feel like, even if they buff LA to be on par with MA, magplars all over will begin wearing LA again, and accually be dealing competitive damage and get calls to nerf them again because their damage is on par with theirs...but at that point, (because i don't think they relieve the annulment nerf) templars will be the squishiest thing in cyrodil...temps don't need heals nerfed, we need shield buffed, so we can attack after a shield cast. in LA the damage you take is so rediculously high that it's just not worth it. why do you think so many players have DEVOLVED their templars into reactive/malu healbots?

because it's the ONLY thing we do well...tank, heal, and support everyone else while we cast RD just to get a kill...i refuse to do that, i have tried, and i feel like i'm falling victim to the meta, i have tried to wear LA again...using annulment with a resto staff or even a sword nd board for defense...but thats not enough. the damage is still wimp AF..that is unles we ACCUALLY manage to hit somthing with our Dark Flare...you know...because every single spec in this game except templar have a counter to that. dodge roll, reflect, bubbles, cloak...and don't get me started on RD...only reason people think it's OPAF is because of all thoe healbots who have given up on templar damage, all those healbots who feel like it's the only thing they are good at. if templars had mages fury instead of RD you' all be bitching about that

I've ran 5 light 2 heavy on mine since the beginning of thieves guild now and it worked fine one damage department, especially on non cp servers. However, you really need to know what you're doing if you don't want to die in 5 seconds. I just feel the extra damage is not worth the reduced resistance, so I just crafted me some heavy (exactly the same sets I wear in light) and see how the difference will be.

Only looking at stats it seem that I got about 200 regen less, about double the resistance and my heals will probably be stronger. This is comparing my legendary light to purple heavy. But I have the idea I will be a lot stronger with this setup. Taken, I will do less damage, but I can pressure more as I don't have to heal as much.

It highly depend on the content you do, if you go vs massive amounts of players you'll go heavy normaly, if you small group or Duel you'll probably want light armour.

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

i'm beginning to feel like, even if they buff LA to be on par with MA, magplars all over will begin wearing LA again, and accually be dealing competitive damage and get calls to nerf them again because their damage is on par with theirs...but at that point, (because i don't think they relieve the annulment nerf) templars will be the squishiest thing in cyrodil...temps don't need heals nerfed, we need shield buffed, so we can attack after a shield cast. in LA the damage you take is so rediculously high that it's just not worth it. why do you think so many players have DEVOLVED their templars into reactive/malu healbots?

because it's the ONLY thing we do well...tank, heal, and support everyone else while we cast RD just to get a kill...i refuse to do that, i have tried, and i feel like i'm falling victim to the meta, i have tried to wear LA again...using annulment with a resto staff or even a sword nd board for defense...but thats not enough. the damage is still wimp AF..that is unles we ACCUALLY manage to hit somthing with our Dark Flare...you know...because every single spec in this game except templar have a counter to that. dodge roll, reflect, bubbles, cloak...and don't get me started on RD...only reason people think it's OPAF is because of all thoe healbots who have given up on templar damage, all those healbots who feel like it's the only thing they are good at. if templars had mages fury instead of RD you' all be bitching about that

I've ran 5 light 2 heavy on mine since the beginning of thieves guild now and it worked fine one damage department, especially on non cp servers. However, you really need to know what you're doing if you don't want to die in 5 seconds. I just feel the extra damage is not worth the reduced resistance, so I just crafted me some heavy (exactly the same sets I wear in light) and see how the difference will be.

Only looking at stats it seem that I got about 200 regen less, about double the resistance and my heals will probably be stronger. This is comparing my legendary light to purple heavy. But I have the idea I will be a lot stronger with this setup. Taken, I will do less damage, but I can pressure more as I don't have to heal as much.

It highly depend on the content you do, if you go vs massive amounts of players you'll go heavy normaly, if you small group or Duel you'll probably want light armour.

Yea, just crafted it so I can switch if needed. Got both on me all the time so if I feel the need for light again I'll wreck them with that

Baconlad wrote: »

oh and malakith, ur wrong bud. take your biuld against a random good stamina build. by the time you get ur health back up from his initial burst, swap bars and cast a toppling on him, you're already at 60%-70% health. cast one damage ability and maybe an ult if yo uhave it, might get lucky with getting him down to 60% health by that time he's getting up to cast rally and vigor, here comes his charge again...it goes on forever, he won't kill you unless you *** up. but you will not kill him, you're too focused on staying alive to kill him. find me a magplar dueling video with a known good magplar in it that wins a fight against a known stam player...

Most DD players melt very fast, 4k+ spell damage with 36k magicka and a lot of penetration can hit like a truck. But yea, there are players that it won't work against, that's why I'm going to some heavy armor on him now. I'm not the best player for sure, but I won some fights against good duel players on a stamina build with it.