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[Video] Eric, Rich please watch. Magicka Templar is Broken.
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✭most DD players? or most well played DD's? big difference here. we're not talking about rolling a noob, or a "decent" player. and from my experience if i kill you on my templar, thats because you suck. the truly great players do not die to a magplar man...they just don't, not in todays tamrielEdited by Baconlad on October 5, 2016 10:50AM0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
(Do you like how I made a line of AD instead of just a massive pile?)
I can kill a lot of things too and feel OP, but then I remember I just slaughtered a bunch of potatoes, not experienced PVPers. Doesn't matter what class you're on, if you manage to 1vX some bad players you feel like a god. Same goes with the OPs video. I know a lot of them EP and they are all just tank builds with no damage.2 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Templars are fine, both the damage as the survivability. Even with 5 light you can win from a good stamina player, the issue with light is multiple enemies spamming hard hitting attacks on you. Since that's what's happening most of the time I'm gonna use heavy for it.
I feel like you think magplars are bad, but they are really good right now if you play them well. Having done so for the last 3 years I'm happy at the way they are, they used to suck hard compared to all the others.0 -
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RD has little to nothing to do with the current OP state of MagPlars.White wabbit wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
Lol not something I've said and I've mained a Templar for a while , they are only op due to some silly sets that some people want to wear , I will give you that they aren't in a bad place ATM I would go as far as saying the only thing that needs a nerf is Rd , and only on range nothing else
I think it's very fitting that your image features a Stamina build, who are often just as OP as MagPlars. I'm not talking about stomping newbies here, that's for people who produce 1vX videos. I'm talking about middle of the road PvP players who are in no way supergood players but who with their years of ESO PvP experience notice how playing a MagPlar is just brain dead easy at this moment.Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
(Do you like how I made a line of AD instead of just a massive pile?)
I can kill a lot of things too and feel OP, but then I remember I just slaughtered a bunch of potatoes, not experienced PVPers. Doesn't matter what class you're on, if you manage to 1vX some bad players you feel like a god. Same goes with the OPs video. I know a lot of them EP and they are all just tank builds with no damage.Edited by Lava_Croft on October 5, 2016 11:03AM1 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
(Do you like how I made a line of AD instead of just a massive pile?)
I can kill a lot of things too and feel OP, but then I remember I just slaughtered a bunch of potatoes, not experienced PVPers. Doesn't matter what class you're on, if you manage to 1vX some bad players you feel like a god. Same goes with the OPs video. I know a lot of them EP and they are all just tank builds with no damage.
Oh god I hate fighting stam sorcs, you killed my friends
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
(Do you like how I made a line of AD instead of just a massive pile?)
I can kill a lot of things too and feel OP, but then I remember I just slaughtered a bunch of potatoes, not experienced PVPers. Doesn't matter what class you're on, if you manage to 1vX some bad players you feel like a god. Same goes with the OPs video. I know a lot of them EP and they are all just tank builds with no damage.
Oh god I hate fighting stam sorcs, you killed my friends
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
(Do you like how I made a line of AD instead of just a massive pile?)
I can kill a lot of things too and feel OP, but then I remember I just slaughtered a bunch of potatoes, not experienced PVPers. Doesn't matter what class you're on, if you manage to 1vX some bad players you feel like a god. Same goes with the OPs video. I know a lot of them EP and they are all just tank builds with no damage.
Oh god I hate fighting stam sorcs, you killed my friends
I regret nothing huehuehue
You monster!0 -
eserras7b16_ESO✭✭✭✭They feel "OP" because there's some builds wich make Templars really hard to kill. That doesn't mean they're doing any good tho and it certainly doesn't mean they're OP. They are just tanky and they feel strong since they can survive a lot of pressure from a lot of players. Don't kill anything tho except an underleveled or undergeared player
and that's fine. To get damage with a magicka templar you invest in it = you're not hard to kill anymore.
But i think we all know that I don't even know why I am discussing this. But if these people are not responded I fear the developers might do something wrong and I don't want that.
#keepthebalance #onlysmalltweaksEptackt - Argonian Templar
Belegrand - Redguard Nightblade0 -
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✭yeah they are deff better than before. but were also more fearsome before stam was buffed to mount trashmore.
i think sorcs are OP. not templar. i keep going back to LA on mine...just to be ashamed to get hit with one high powered skill, brought down to 50% health stunned and before break free registers i'm dead...there is NO way i can kill a good player in three seconds, even in light armor. thats with glass cannoning it out. now i have tried LA with bloodspawn and the same sword and board weps. i've tried LA with blood and resto staff, i've tried annulment on my main bar, i've tried alot. and i cannot find a sweet spot. every good player i come across has the same defense as me in heavy armor (stam more...sorcs more...DK's we won't talk about XD) but drastically higher offense. i'm getting hit in cyrodil for 12k crits with one skill. the last time i was in five heavy/ sword+board/major resists/ almost capped crit resist. i died shortly after due to a buggy break free...and my issue is, yeah i can just "healup" to full in one sec. yeah ok true, but he can also just spam that skill on me and hit me for the same amount a second time before i can get my fkn charge off. i'm telling you man...since the patch after orsinium, magplar has not felt right, theres just somthing wrong with it. i've been playing magplar for three years as well (alongside my blazing trollplar (can't resist...i love the troll somtimes)), and i just "feel" different...i never wore heavy armor untill thieves guild when i started to notice a change for the worse, LA was great back then, but now my damage sucks. only thing thats reliable as temp is my sweeps, which only does 10k if i crit twice and get a burning light proc, AND if i hit all 4 jabs of it. ok and radiant destruction, but i don't hit that untill i'm supposed to.
i used to get dueling compliments on my skill with the class...now? i can't duel...i suspect battle spirit and lack of annulment is our worst issue althgouh i may be wrong...LA needs help bad
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭yeah they are deff better than before. but were also more fearsome before stam was buffed to mount trashmore.
i think sorcs are OP. not templar. i keep going back to LA on mine...just to be ashamed to get hit with one high powered skill, brought down to 50% health stunned and before break free registers i'm dead...there is NO way i can kill a good player in three seconds, even in light armor. thats with glass cannoning it out. now i have tried LA with bloodspawn and the same sword and board weps. i've tried LA with blood and resto staff, i've tried annulment on my main bar, i've tried alot. and i cannot find a sweet spot. every good player i come across has the same defense as me in heavy armor (stam more...sorcs more...DK's we won't talk about XD) but drastically higher offense. i'm getting hit in cyrodil for 12k crits with one skill. the last time i was in five heavy/ sword+board/major resists/ almost capped crit resist. i died shortly after due to a buggy break free...and my issue is, yeah i can just "healup" to full in one sec. yeah ok true, but he can also just spam that skill on me and hit me for the same amount a second time before i can get my fkn charge off. i'm telling you man...since the patch after orsinium, magplar has not felt right, theres just somthing wrong with it. i've been playing magplar for three years as well (alongside my blazing trollplar (can't resist...i love the troll somtimes)), and i just "feel" different...i never wore heavy armor untill thieves guild when i started to notice a change for the worse, LA was great back then, but now my damage sucks. only thing thats reliable as temp is my sweeps, which only does 10k if i crit twice and get a burning light proc, AND if i hit all 4 jabs of it. ok and radiant destruction, but i don't hit that untill i'm supposed to.
i used to get dueling compliments on my skill with the class...now? i can't duel...i suspect battle spirit and lack of annulment is our worst issue althgouh i may be wrong...LA needs help bad
Believe, mag sorcs aren't OP atm. Onea you play one yourself you'll know. They are annoying in groups though.
May I ask what you're wearing? I do agree that that light armor needs tweaking, it's bad compared to medium and heavy.0 -
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Lol not something I've said and I've mained a Templar for a while , they are only op due to some silly sets that some people want to wear , I will give you that they aren't in a bad place ATM I would go as far as saying the only thing that needs a nerf is Rd , and only on range nothing else [/quote]
RD has little to nothing to do with the current OP state of Magplars
Never said it did just said that I think that's the only thing that needs nerfing on Templars and I still say that Magplars them selves aren't op it's the gear take them away and they are pretty much the same as any class0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
Nearly any class can feel strong with the right build and right teammates. Bu you know what? I'd rather hear from people who play Templar's day in and day out rather than someone saying "well my friend says this."Edited by maxjapank on October 5, 2016 12:00PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭These people play MagPlar day in and day out while staying honest about the state of their class.Edited by Lava_Croft on October 5, 2016 12:05PM0 -
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✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »These people play MagPlar day in and day out while staying honest about the state of their class.
I'm honest. And I play it day in and day out. But lol...you continue to talk about a class you don't play. And call others who do and are posting here...dishonest. You're funny.2 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭healing in this game overall is too damn stronk, you know something wrong when guy spam breath of life or whatever when 5+ people whack yarr head and you do nothing but heal to keep them busy.
Similar how shield stackers with eternal mana recovery could keep horde busy whacking them.
No soft caps, no people with other abilities than damage dealing on their bars, stupid burst builds have made the game what it is today.Edited by kuro-dono on October 5, 2016 12:22PM0 -
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »The forumplars are strong in this thread.
I have no doubt that if myself and my friend had been wearing Malubeth and Reactive neither of us would have died. This video is just a typical every day fight in Cyrodiil and neither of us use broken sets or use crutches so if you take them out of the equation it's a good example of how overpowered the healing is, neither of us even have points into blessed, they're all in thaumaturge, Spell Pen and elemental.
I can gear up in cheese and spec out for healing like the group we're fighting in this video but would that prove Templar is OP, or the gear?
Give me some of what u r smoking. Templars and DKs must stand there ground due to lack of mobility. They get that passive due to this.
The fact that anyone would be asking for nerfs to magicka classes right now in this meta shows how little u understand balance.
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
Will says he mains a NB and he took a Templar for a spin, then says some nonsense about tanking 20 EP and only being taken down by another AD group.
This is not what happens in the Video, so once again, if the facts do not bare out the premise, he's trolling.
He States that certain sets are OP, he's correct, but these sets can be used by all classes and make them OP!
Magplar is now worth using, is it the best DPS, not even close. Does it have great survivability, yes, but it needs it because it can never escape a fight. Is it the best healer, erm it has an entire skill set dedicated to healing, so I bloody hope so....
Radiant Destruction, is a great skill and I think the execute should be brought down to 25% health like other executes1 -
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✭Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »Nothing wrong with Templar just sets are broken, i died easily so i now put him in heavy armor, black rose set, and tried reactive and malubeth sets and i am now unkillable.
I went from squishy healer into full tank mode healer just by changing my armor from 5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy, to 5 heavy, 2 light now i am unkillable as i said, its the gear and heavy armor making templar godmode tank healers, not the class itself.
Stamina is super strong now, so i had to change my build to heavy armor to stop me getting 1 shot my them, which stamina is only getting stronger in one tamriel so x)
He face tanks ~6 players with his buddy killing 4 of them for almost 4 minutes until the rest of EP players join in and kill them. Is this really that horrendous?
This. How many kills would a stamblade or stamsorc get in those 4 minutes?
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer...I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.Waffennacht wrote: »I would also like to point out that @WillhelmBlack is an experienced player and not one to just throw out "nerf this nerf that..." kind of stuff. Im going to listen to him a bit more than some players.WillhelmBlack wrote: »
Major Mending passive. (Never been nerfed).
Radiant Destruction (Recently over buffed).
For someone who supposed to be an experienced player, they seem very inexperienced in regards to a Magicka Templar. You should read @Ron_Burgundy_79 post.
But if you missed it, Templar's have always had "Major Mending". It wasn't the 25% bonus to heals that you get now, it was actually 30%. 30% to anyone standing in our Cleansing Ritual and/or Rune Focus. Breath of Life was nerfed not to long ago to only give one secondary heal. But to make up for this, we received the ability to get Major Mending while standing in our own Cleansing Ritual and/or Rune Focus and for 4 secs after leaving it.
What's the difference? Before...you had to be in my circle to get my bonus heals. Now...only I have to be in it.
Radiant has also been nerfed many times. It has never been over buffed. If you mean over buffed by being undodgeable, then you are mistaken. Radiant was never intended to be dodgeable. During the time it was, it was because it was bugged. And during that time, nearly every Templar took it off their bar in pvp. I get it that Stam players that rely on shuffle/dodging don't like Radiant. But Radiant is a good counter to them.
Call me or others forumplars. But I think I'll listen to people who actually know the class and play the class.
5% OMG, what a nerf!
Okay. this shows your ignorance. if u dont think 5% is a nerf then u should stop making balancing posts.1 -
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✭✭pffft could have sworn I saw Malabeth beam from one of the players all I can say using a scene from Game of Thrones ! Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame0 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Darnathian wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »The forumplars are strong in this thread.
I have no doubt that if myself and my friend had been wearing Malubeth and Reactive neither of us would have died. This video is just a typical every day fight in Cyrodiil and neither of us use broken sets or use crutches so if you take them out of the equation it's a good example of how overpowered the healing is, neither of us even have points into blessed, they're all in thaumaturge, Spell Pen and elemental.
I can gear up in cheese and spec out for healing like the group we're fighting in this video but would that prove Templar is OP, or the gear?
Give me some of what u r smoking. Templars and DKs must stand there ground due to lack of mobility. They get that passive due to this.
The fact that anyone would be asking for nerfs to magicka classes right now in this meta shows how little u understand balance.
Waste if a thread. L2Balance
L2Balance? Me? I don't work for ZOS pal.
You have a lack of mobility? Just slot Mist Form if that's what you want and you can have defence and mobilty!Cherryblossom wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
Will says he mains a NB and he took a Templar for a spin, then says some nonsense about tanking 20 EP and only being taken down by another AD group.
This is not what happens in the Video, so once again, if the facts do not bare out the premise, he's trolling.
None of this is true lol.
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My only alt is a MagPlar.Lava_Croft wrote: »These people play MagPlar day in and day out while staying honest about the state of their class.
I'm honest. And I play it day in and day out. But lol...you continue to talk about a class you don't play. And call others who do and are posting here...dishonest. You're funny.
@Cherryblossom : I think OP mains a MagPlar since forever.Edited by Lava_Croft on October 5, 2016 12:41PM0 -
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✭✭Darnathian wrote: »Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »Nothing wrong with Templar just sets are broken, i died easily so i now put him in heavy armor, black rose set, and tried reactive and malubeth sets and i am now unkillable.
I went from squishy healer into full tank mode healer just by changing my armor from 5 light, 1 med, 1 heavy, to 5 heavy, 2 light now i am unkillable as i said, its the gear and heavy armor making templar godmode tank healers, not the class itself.
Stamina is super strong now, so i had to change my build to heavy armor to stop me getting 1 shot my them, which stamina is only getting stronger in one tamriel so x)
He face tanks ~6 players with his buddy killing 4 of them for almost 4 minutes until the rest of EP players join in and kill them. Is this really that horrendous?
This. How many kills would a stamblade or stamsorc get in those 4 minutes?
Cornered in a keep protecting a scroll? They'd get flattened in an instant.PC EU0 -
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✭✭White wabbit wrote: »pffft could have sworn I saw Malabeth beam from one of the players all I can say using a scene from Game of Thrones ! Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame
The DK.PC EU0 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭kris, didnt you used to have nightblade? or did you remove it or am i confused? Magica templar? or magica nightblade?0
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »The forumplars are strong in this thread.
I have no doubt that if myself and my friend had been wearing Malubeth and Reactive neither of us would have died. This video is just a typical every day fight in Cyrodiil and neither of us use broken sets or use crutches so if you take them out of the equation it's a good example of how overpowered the healing is, neither of us even have points into blessed, they're all in thaumaturge, Spell Pen and elemental.
I can gear up in cheese and spec out for healing like the group we're fighting in this video but would that prove Templar is OP, or the gear?
Give me some of what u r smoking. Templars and DKs must stand there ground due to lack of mobility. They get that passive due to this.
The fact that anyone would be asking for nerfs to magicka classes right now in this meta shows how little u understand balance.
Waste if a thread. L2Balance
L2Balance? Me? I don't work for ZOS pal.
You have a lack of mobility? Just slot Mist Form if that's what you want and you can have defence and mobilty!Cherryblossom wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
And his words are about the same as the MagPlars I play with. Each and every one of them says the same thing: I feel OP as heck.Cherryblossom wrote: »
Will has mained Templar for a long time and I respect his opinions, even if I might disagree with them, which in this case I do. He's certainly not trolling anyone
Will says he mains a NB and he took a Templar for a spin, then says some nonsense about tanking 20 EP and only being taken down by another AD group.
This is not what happens in the Video, so once again, if the facts do not bare out the premise, he's trolling.
None of this is true lol.
anyone who thinks this is not true, watch the video.1
