Grinding Vigor on every stam character...

raglau · October 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Orgrimar wrote: »

How many of you are on PC? More enemy players to kill makes it easier. I also grinder vigor when it was the old days so I know how it is better than it used to be but it's still wayyyyy to long to be such a useful pve skill

I'm on console, talk about not seeing people. Vigor is far from a grind.

You don't NEED vigor for anything pve related, you want it. Put the time in and stop bickering.

Actually Vigor is practically mandatory if your Stamina build needs a decent healing ability. Unless you can siphon or use damage shields to cover yourself it's pretty needed.

That's what I am getting at, there are many ways to skin a cat.

JamilaRaj · October 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

Bah.
You can get Vigor for free when I can get a vMA weapon of my choosing for free.

Getting Vigor is stupid-easy now, nut up and earn it.

Yeah, but players should also be able to just insert a coin a be entitled to it, or win in some lottery, because earning is very inconvenient and generally unfair and ungrateful to the rich who support the casino.

Asgari · October 2016

1 weekend of casual play and vigor is unlocked for 8 characters .. its that easy .. almost any player can get vigor from 2 hours of prime time keep defense from ticks and using siege

IxSTALKERxI · October 2016

_Chaos wrote: »

@IxSTALKERxI These guys have no idea what it was like...

Lol. I just made a new stam toon recently. Took me a day to get to lvl 50. Took me 45mins to unlock vigor. After about 2 weeks worth of pledges I am still only half way through lvl 7 undaunted.

AP gains have been doubled and the AP required to unlock abilities in the alliance war skill lines have been decreased dramatically.

It previously took 6,918,400 AP to reach level 10 assault / support. Now it only takes 1,040,000. Less then one sixth of the AP. Vigor used to be the final skill to unlock, now it's unlocked at level 5 assault which requires only 88,000 AP.

If you are really having trouble in PvP, use the major mending buff and repair all the keeps as they upgrade. With an AP buff active you can average around 70k AP an hour. Tag a few people with some siege and through some heals on some allies. Home or Guest in a more populated campaign If your campaign is empty.

Kammakazi · October 2016

Here is a quote from an old comment:

kammakazi wrote:

It's literally only 88,000 AP to get it.

Before it was 364,000 AP.

and before that it was Rank 10 Alliance.
APPRECIATE THE CHANGES MADE FOR VIGOR

bottleofsyrup · October 2016

Man, some people just don't want to work for anything.

IxSTALKERxI · October 2016

Lol before the AP changes prox det required 1.6million AP to unlock and I managed to unlock it when my character was only level 27.

BruhItsOver9000 · October 2016

It takes me 1 hour to get vigor, my pve carebear friend got vigor in 2 hours, all he did was defend and got those d tics.
Also before ic, stam users used rally for healing, vigor was basically nonexistent because it took so long to get.

dem0n1k · October 2016

All of my 12 characters have Vigor unlocked, 8 of them have all the Alliance War actives unlocked.... NONE of them have undaunted unlocked

Undaunted is a much bigger grind... but plz ZOS, don't nerf it.. it's fine.

Sigma957 · October 2016

Easy to get vigor, just stay at a keep/outpost that always has action ie brk, chal or sej. DTick alone will give you vigor in a couple of hours

Waseem · October 2016

u get few skill points in the process

SlayerTheDragon · October 2016

It is by far my most favourite grind ever!

Flameheart · October 2016

Vigor and grind ? Not even caltrops feels like a grind nowadays...

...I got the magicka deto for 4 chars within a week for my magicka builds, after they nerfed prerequisites and ranks.

SlayerTheDragon · October 2016

If anything they should lock Vigor away at 1 mil AP.

That is pretty much the same pain that a PVPer has to go through to get a monster set in PVE....

olsborg · October 2016

Egonieser wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I still haven't unlocked Undaunted 9 on any of my characters. Like, none of them. Now that is a literal f'n grind.

They reduced AP requirement to please PvE players, why didn't they reduce Undaunted Xp requirement for PvP players?
And before anybody even dares to mention Cyrodiil weekend vendor - that has absolutely nothing to do with this. That vendor caters to both crowds and is gear, nothing to do with skills, not even remotely related.

Ive been wondering this too, @Wrobel should deal with that sh....

Brrrofski · October 2016

It takes like 4 hours max. 98k ap I think.

It's super easy to get. Just get in a group of 3/4 with people in your guild on proper characters and you earn it super quick.

If you can't do that "lfg" in zone chat and jut tag everything from range that your zerg destroys.

Flameheart · October 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

It's super easy to get. Just get in a group of 3/4 with people in your guild on proper characters and you earn it super quick.

If you can't do that "lfg" in zone chat and just tag everything from range that your zerg destroys.

This...and yes, Poison Injection + Bow Light attack spam all over the field are your friends. With a big AvA group for just defending and taking keeps it will go much faster. Nowadays almost every alliance has such groups, open for everybody who just writes the right keyword into the chat for autoinvite.

Hashtag_ · October 2016

It's like 100k AP for vigor, zerg surf or join a zerg and you'll have it within an hour or 2.

Biro123 · October 2016

I wish people wouldn't just keep saying its quick and easy. If the guy is a PVE player, it won't be easy nor quick. I'm a dedicated PVP player, but came into the game late. PVP is a steep, steep learning curve - especially when the opposition already knows how to PVP, and is geared for it - in a game where ACTIVE defence is key.
The difference is real. My first character did a LOT of PVP in BWB and earned less than 200k AP by the time he hit 50 (I know because he still has them as I switched alliance and parked him).
I'm currently levelling a new character through BWB - at only lvl30, she has way over 200k AP. Why? Cos I know what I'm doing now. I get a lot more kills, know where to go to find the action, survive much longer and so spend less time riding back from the spawn... knowing your stuff makes a MASSIVE difference.

That said, the guy shouldn't complain. My max undaunted level is 3. I'd really like that top passive in the line - but not enough to do the grind that I PERSONALLY don't like, and aren't much good at.

DurzoBlint13 · October 2016

they have nerfed the AP needed to get Vigor several times now and still people want it just handed to them. You should have been around when it locked behind level 10 Assault and the AP nerfs had not been introduced. THAT was a grind. Now it takes all of 3-4 hours of not very busy playtime to get it
grab a resto staff and spam Rapid Regen , follow along behind a zerg, look for the fight symbols, spam Regen some more.....profit
or if you have a lot of gold just buy repair kits and fix walls. you would not even have to fight anybody this way but it may get expensive. There are still plenty of Emps out there that get the title this way

Strider_Roshin · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

I still haven't unlocked Undaunted 9 on any of my characters. Like, none of them. Now that is a literal f'n grind.

This. ZOS made it stupid easy for PvE players to get Vigor while keeping it a pain for PvP players to get their undaunted up.

Draxys · October 2016

I don't understand. It takes one night of play if you know what you're doing and have a good group. If you don't have either of those, there's still no way it could take more than a few days. If it takes more than that, the "grind" is not the issue at hand.

altemriel · October 2016

Orgrimar wrote: »

Can this not be such a grind pls. As much as I love the Cyrodil horse simulator why does it take sitting in a keep while it's defended or some worthless afk hours spent mutagen spaming. There's not enough people to just go in and get kills for AP it literally takes a week to get vigor and it's too dependent on others being online to be killed or to Zerg with your alliance to be necessary for a skill that is mandatory pretty much now for PVE stam builds especially in trials.

Please consider changing. Or at least making battlegrounds for a quick que'd instance to farm AP instead of horse riding simulator (oh wait I have to grind this on every character also or pay 60$. Lol)

well it used to be even more hard to unclock vigor, they made it easier to get.

Small-scale PVP battle-arenas are in production.

Brrrofski · October 2016

Biro123 wrote: »

I wish people wouldn't just keep saying its quick and easy. If the guy is a PVE player, it won't be easy nor quick. I'm a dedicated PVP player, but came into the game late. PVP is a steep, steep learning curve - especially when the opposition already knows how to PVP, and is geared for it - in a game where ACTIVE defence is key.
The difference is real. My first character did a LOT of PVP in BWB and earned less than 200k AP by the time he hit 50 (I know because he still has them as I switched alliance and parked him).
I'm currently levelling a new character through BWB - at only lvl30, she has way over 200k AP. Why? Cos I know what I'm doing now. I get a lot more kills, know where to go to find the action, survive much longer and so spend less time riding back from the spawn... knowing your stuff makes a MASSIVE difference.

That said, the guy shouldn't complain. My max undaunted level is 3. I'd really like that top passive in the line - but not enough to do the grind that I PERSONALLY don't like, and aren't much good at.

That was bwb. Join the proper campaigns where there is always a fight.

It's quick and easy for anyone. Join a zerg and take things from range. Anyone can do that. Is it fun? No. Does it get you vigor pretty quickly without too much frustration? Yes.

Put some tunes on, join a zerg and poison arrow everyone. ANYONE can do that.

I got it on my stam Nb in under 3 hours last time I needed it. Level 10 I started, had it be level 14. Granted I was in a group of 4 taking out decent sized groups. people, but the zerg method would still be really quick.

Sallington · October 2016

The Fighter's Guild grind for a PvPer is 100x worse than the Vigor grind for a PvEer

Eirella · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

I still haven't unlocked Undaunted 9 on any of my characters. Like, none of them. Now that is a literal f'n grind.

Same here lol!

GDOFWR420 · October 2016

I take it you havent aquired meteor, come back when you do.

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO · October 2016

they could add another way to earn xp on the skill line like daily quests like any other guild. that would make more people come to cyrodiil in the first place and they may also try more pvp

Mettaricana · October 2016

_Chaos wrote: »

@IxSTALKERxI These guys have no idea what it was like...

I know what its like but I still hate doing it

Grabmoore · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

I still haven't unlocked Undaunted 9 on any of my characters. Like, none of them. Now that is a literal f'n grind.

Well.. That's you not leaving cyro then.

Vigor takes 3 hours now. I m also certain there is no grind in this game, if you enjoy your character or what you re doing.