"It will always be items worse than what you can craft" topic

C0wrex · October 2016

Hoo boy...

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

waiting for new Ambrosia recipe...

JamilaRaj · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

waiting for new Ambrosia recipe...

Why? See, this whole "worse than you can craft" principle is just clever trick anyway, because even if they were, they would be vastly superior to items obtainable in-game with the same (=zero) effort.

DaniAngione · October 2016

It's a valid point, but it's still just an experience gain advantage which, yes, certainly makes progressing faster and easier but so does ESO+, knowing how to play better, having friends, etc.

In the end, it doesn't allow you to go BEYOND what other players can, the thing that (for me) is the actual sign of P2W. This doesn't allow you to have an actual advantage in a battle like a potion that recovers more Health than crafted ones would, for example.

That said, yes, it does break their promise.
Unless they have plans that we are not aware of yet, like changing something on the Psijic recipe or adding an entirely new Exp gain item recipe. I hear that many new recipes are coming with the Witches' Festival, maybe this could be it?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's still not pay to win. You can grind faster but take a grinder into vMoL and watch them wipe over and over. They'll still take hours and hours on last boss vma and post threads on here complaining about it. If anything it'll. Slow the progress down on the game and make it harder to tell who's good and who is not.

When we get unique weapons and enchants etc in there then yes we'll all agree otherwise. It will probably happen at some point no doubt.

This. They aren't buying skill. They are spending money to take a shortcut. A skilled player is going to be skilled whether they use the XP scrolls or not while a new player will grind and level faster and will end up suffering during end game because they will only know how to spam AOE on mobs.

AClockworkLime · October 2016

DaniAngione wrote: »

In the end, it doesn't allow you to go BEYOND what other players can...

Exactly. That's it exactly.

Some of these people just completely bewilder me. Seriously, all this does is save a little time at the cost of a lot of cash. Whooptido. It grants NO real advantage over other players. None whatsoever. Certainly not this late in the game in which there are tons, and tons, and TONS of max-level accounts.

And the people who are trying to imply that this is some amazing PVP boost? Seriously, just what the hell is wrong with you people? How do you even process a concept like that, let alone spew it out at others while trying to act like it's the deepest, most hardcore thought to have ever been conceived of by man. "Man, when one of those 531+ CP PVPers get dere hands on dis 'ere scroll, GAME OVAR MAN!!!!!" And that's assuming Trueflame or Haderus where CPs even come up. It makes even less sense for the other two campaigns. Not that the former makes ANY sense whatsoever to begin with, mind you.

Seriously... just... what the hell is wrong with you people?

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
forgive me but im mad now
when i saw you adding this scrolls to update12...
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26604

dam ZOS...

EXAMPLE
right now im getting 993 exp with eso+ and ambrosia
by cp300 template for cp160 zombie
from cp300 to cp400 i need 30 566 777 exp
so i need to kill 30 782 zombies
for example i can kill 1000 zombies per hour
its ~30.7 hours
if you grinding 3 hours per day its 11 days

with eso+ and grand scroll
im getting 1614 per mob
its 18 938 zombies from cp300 to 400
18.9 hours
7 days

7 days < 11 days
PAY TO PROGRESS CONFIRMED

I was here when they assured us that they would NEVER put any consumables in the crown store that are better than what you can craft. I heard it with my own ears. That is a promise, or giving a community your word. Same thing. They made that promise because the community was up in arms over the crown store potions. They assured us a million times that they would not do what they are doing right now.
I think Horse training is BS too. We all had to "do the content" to level our horses. I'm surprised they don't sell crafting levels or Trait knowledge so you can avoid that pesky research and decon BS that so many of us endured. They'll sell motifs you don't need to collect. They might as well sell gold, right?
The point is when ZOS starts selling level 50 characters and then CP packs people will say "so what you can grind out CP with XP pots, scrolls, ..."

Man...if only experience didnt matter because there is a CP cap which makes any type of XP gain (craftable or purchaseable) unimportant in endgame...hmm...if only...

Aeladiir · October 2016

Sometimes I wonder why I've been supporting this game for more than two years.

[Video removed for profanity]

JamilaRaj · October 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's still not pay to win. You can grind faster but take a grinder into vMoL and watch them wipe over and over. They'll still take hours and hours on last boss vma and post threads on here complaining about it. If anything it'll. Slow the progress down on the game and make it harder to tell who's good and who is not.

When we get unique weapons and enchants etc in there then yes we'll all agree otherwise. It will probably happen at some point no doubt.

This. They aren't buying skill. They are spending money to take a shortcut. A skilled player is going to be skilled whether they use the XP scrolls or not while a new player will grind and level faster and will end up suffering during end game because they will only know how to spam AOE on mobs.

They are. I said earlier that basically by the time a player who does not P2W catches up with a player who does stats-wise, the P2Wing player will be just as proficient in playing, but considering he will have had more time to practice endgame, he will be for all practical purposes more skilled.

Unsent.Soul · October 2016

JamilaRaj wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's still not pay to win. You can grind faster but take a grinder into vMoL and watch them wipe over and over. They'll still take hours and hours on last boss vma and post threads on here complaining about it. If anything it'll. Slow the progress down on the game and make it harder to tell who's good and who is not.

When we get unique weapons and enchants etc in there then yes we'll all agree otherwise. It will probably happen at some point no doubt.

This. They aren't buying skill. They are spending money to take a shortcut. A skilled player is going to be skilled whether they use the XP scrolls or not while a new player will grind and level faster and will end up suffering during end game because they will only know how to spam AOE on mobs.

They are. I said earlier that basically by the time a player who does not P2W catches up with a player who does stats-wise, the P2Wing player will be just as proficient in playing, but considering he will have had more time to practice endgame, he will be for all practical purposes more skilled.

A couple days ahead of the curve won't put you at farming WGT in 20 minutes or less.

Infinite12 · October 2016

Mx13 wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Damn. The man's got a point...
They could just increase the time for the psjic ambrosia to make is better than that crown store item. 50% XP for two hours.

You get 4 ambrosia per roe so thats 2 hours of 50% xp

If you compare them 1:1, crafted pots were always worse than the crown ones(30min per ambrosia vs 2 hours per scroll).

And that's not even taking into account the stupid amount of time it takes to GET a perfect roe lol

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

JamilaRaj wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's still not pay to win. You can grind faster but take a grinder into vMoL and watch them wipe over and over. They'll still take hours and hours on last boss vma and post threads on here complaining about it. If anything it'll. Slow the progress down on the game and make it harder to tell who's good and who is not.

When we get unique weapons and enchants etc in there then yes we'll all agree otherwise. It will probably happen at some point no doubt.

This. They aren't buying skill. They are spending money to take a shortcut. A skilled player is going to be skilled whether they use the XP scrolls or not while a new player will grind and level faster and will end up suffering during end game because they will only know how to spam AOE on mobs.

They are. I said earlier that basically by the time a player who does not P2W catches up with a player who does stats-wise, the P2Wing player will be just as proficient in playing, but considering he will have had more time to practice endgame, he will be for all practical purposes more skilled.

@JamilaRaj

Okay then ask yourself this. Person A levels up faster with the XP scrolls while person B levels up without them. Person A reaches level 50 in a day while Person B reaches 50 in 3 days.

Does the fact that Person A hit level 50 first hinder Person B's progress?
Does it prevent Person B from doing any content?
Does the fact that Person A spent money on crown crates to obtain the scrolls make them a better player and have an advantage over others?

Asardes · October 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

It's still not pay to win. You can grind faster but take a grinder into vMoL and watch them wipe over and over. They'll still take hours and hours on last boss vma and post threads on here complaining about it. If anything it'll. Slow the progress down on the game and make it harder to tell who's good and who is not.

When we get unique weapons and enchants etc in there then yes we'll all agree otherwise. It will probably happen at some point no doubt.

This. They aren't buying skill. They are spending money to take a shortcut. A skilled player is going to be skilled whether they use the XP scrolls or not while a new player will grind and level faster and will end up suffering during end game because they will only know how to spam AOE on mobs.

They are. I said earlier that basically by the time a player who does not P2W catches up with a player who does stats-wise, the P2Wing player will be just as proficient in playing, but considering he will have had more time to practice endgame, he will be for all practical purposes more skilled.

A couple days ahead of the curve won't put you at farming WGT in 20 minutes or less.

Been there, done that. As a medium armor tank hitting the daedroths in the face with the maul while they are spitting fire

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

open your eyes, guys...

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

i will not let this topic die until release of Crown Crates

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

i will not let this topic die until release of Crown Crates

Thank the gods that's only a few days away

Astraous · October 2016

elvenmad wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Educate yourself on what pay to win actually is please.

This is objectively not pay to win. Sorry.

in this case you can pay for something that will increase your progress faster than anything you can obtain in the game, so irrelevant of your specific definition of pay to win this is 100% pay to progress faster for sure.

So is the ESO plus. Progressing faster doesn't mean you win, lol. It's not pay to win unless there are legitimate barriers preventing people without money to get as good as people who spent money. The only barrier here is time. That's like saying because someone got to a higher level than you in a shorter period of time, you no longer stand a chance of ever being as strong as they are. This is BS especially when 90% of the levels in this game are account-wide (so after you level to max once, all of your "baby toons" are max too.)

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN no its not

"Later this year"

Acrolas · October 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Thank the gods that's only a few days away

Crates are coming at the end of November, not this week.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · October 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

Crates are coming at the end of November, not this week.

@Acrolas: Source? The 'it's not coming with One Tamriel' part I've heard, but where did you get 'end of November'?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Thank the gods that's only a few days away

Crates are coming at the end of November, not this week.

Son of a *** now I gotta deal with seeing the pointless thread on the front page for another 2 months.

Acrolas · October 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Crates are coming at the end of November, not this week.

@Acrolas: Source?

Crown Crates

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will...

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/08/23/gamescom-2016-recap-update-12-and-one-tamriel

(the page looked messed up in Chrome, but is fine in Firefox)

WhiteCoatSyndrome · October 2016

@Acrolas Thank you!

If I were to guess, I'd say we can expect them in time for Black Friday in that case. $:\$

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

when will be black friday?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

The day after Thanksgiving

kumatab14_ESO · October 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Every crown store update they push the boundaries just a little bit further, its only a matter of time before you can purchase crown enchants, starter gear, a universal upgrade material. How anyone continues to take this game seriously amazes me.

They have been hinting at making the consumables from the crown crates better than crafted items so people would stop complaining about useless items. There is also the strong chance that they will be adding special "store only" motifs (Grim Harlequin). The slippery slope has already begun and there is no stopping it. It happens to every MMO and ESO is not going to be any different.

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

The day after Thanksgiving

when will be thanksgiving?

you think whole world its only USA?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

The day after Thanksgiving

when will be thanksgiving?

you think whole world its only USA?

you think I'm a calendar?

JamilaRaj · October 2016

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

The day after Thanksgiving

when will be thanksgiving?

you think whole world its only USA?

No. According to Wiki, there is some world in Canada too, be Canada wherever it is.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2016

As far as I'm concerned, this is the literal definition of a convenience item.

Besides, the real grind has never been XP.