Try to find a guild that does IC events. If you were on pc I would invite you to join Fire & Ice. We run IC events, usually with a mix of experienced pvp players and pve players who want tel var stones or achievements in IC.

I would also suggest listening to the game sounds while in cyrodiil and IC. You can hear the sweeper bosses from a good distance off. You can also hear enemy players using buffs or cloak near you. If you run with a random group don't lag behind, do not loot a chest all at the same time, try to stay close but don't stack up too much you make it easy for a nb to bomb you and invest in some sigils of retreat so if you do get a nice amount of stones you can just transit back without risking running back. Also level up your alchemy and make some immovable pots. If you get knocked down you're pretty much toast.

What class are you taking into IC most often and what type of gear are you running?

JungleBoot wrote: »

Actually, I'm dying a lot from PvP. Why? Because looser 531s see a lone or lagging behind 201 and think gank time. And it's usually a NightBlade striking from stealth follwed by a DK critical charge and some other player's crowd control skill. So before I can react to anything, all my resources have been depleted and someone is happily performing their execution move. Or it's that lone NB at 531 or higher than me with that all so special gear that immobilizes me and just melts my health away. Meanwhile, I attempt to get some damage done to that player and their health bar barely moves. Yeah, I'm frustrated. But, it is hardly a fair matchup. Sheez, I need a freakin chance to learn before I can learn. And if all I am is gank food because of the so called "meta" builds everyone runs, I'll never get better. It's easy to sit their and say learn to play when you are always running around with your three friends and decked out in that all so special meta build. And I'm suppose to have an opportunity to learn when in those conditions? And that won't change by playing on Azura's. I'll still have to deal with the same "meta" builds. Al things being equal I could probably learn and get better. But as long as I am severly disadvantaged, my "learning curve" will be far more steeper and far more off putting.

Why not go to the Non-CP campaigns and fight there?

I agree with the op that this game is bs to new players when it comes to pvp, but IC should stay pvp. It wasn't always this way, but since cp pvp has been all about being super high cp and just curbstomping people with less. I really miss those old pvp days where I managed to get into the top ten for my alliance, but its just a cp contest now and extremely boring to grind to 531 to compete. You can go to the non cp servers, but they have their own balancing issues. What this game really needs for fair pvp is a server with no cp and no gear! Just class vs class and skill vs skill, let true skill be shown instead of meta builds and cp. WOW does this and I would go back and play that if it wasn't for its outdated 20 ability action bars(not even kidding it legit has 20 buttons and you still end up needing to bind more).

You seem a little overly fixated on getting killed by 531 CP players, so go to Azuras or whatever your server has for a no CP campaign, and just like that, they don't have an "unfair" advantage over you. CP is important, but it is rarely the deciding factor in a pvp encounter. Your group cohesion and player skills are a MASSIVE part of the equation.

I'm not sure what you really want from IC, but I would like to point out that some classes (probably all of them actually) can do just fine in pvp and pve with crafted gear.

Here is some general pvp advice to hopefully assist

• If there are people in your group that get tunnel vision and end up chasing gankers around corners and away from the group, they will die and your group will be weaker. Stay on crown... and make sure crown is experienced.
• Small groups do not want to fight your larger group out in the open (usually). If they fall back after an initial engagement, don't follow them into narrow passages, where you WILL get hit with dawnbreaker... just move on with your group and keep them tab targeted.
• Use Teamspeak with your group. If your group doesn't have TS, find one that does.
• Do not stop for chests unless your group is with you. As in watching you pick that chest and standing guard while you do it.
• In general, block and heal over dodging everything. Dodging is expensive, especially if you are magicka.
• Use a food buff. In pvp, you want your health to be at a level where it is difficult to one shot you. 24k is a reasonable number if your reflexes are average.
• I don't really look at CP while sizing up an enemy. I look at the alliance rank. Not always an accurate indicator of player skill, but you can be reasonably confident that an AR 39 magsorc will probably put up a fight.
• Go out into IC carrying 100, or even 1000 stones. Start with a multiplier. Your goal when farming Tel Var is to double your starting Tel Var. Given the multipliers for 100 and 1000, you will more quickly reach the double Tel Var threshold. Once you have doubled your TV, anything you earn becomes guaranteed profit.
• Relax. No one is better at pvp while angry and frustrated.

JungleBoot wrote: »

Actually, I'm dying a lot from PvP. Why? Because looser 531s see a lone or lagging behind 201 and think gank time. And it's usually a NightBlade striking from stealth follwed by a DK critical charge and some other player's crowd control skill. So before I can react to anything, all my resources have been depleted and someone is happily performing their execution move. Or it's that lone NB at 531 or higher than me with that all so special gear that immobilizes me and just melts my health away. Meanwhile, I attempt to get some damage done to that player and their health bar barely moves. Yeah, I'm frustrated. But, it is hardly a fair matchup. Sheez, I need a freakin chance to learn before I can learn. And if all I am is gank food because of the so called "meta" builds everyone runs, I'll never get better. It's easy to sit their and say learn to play when you are always running around with your three friends and decked out in that all so special meta build. And I'm suppose to have an opportunity to learn when in those conditions? And that won't change by playing on Azura's. I'll still have to deal with the same "meta" builds. Al things being equal I could probably learn and get better. But as long as I am severly disadvantaged, my "learning curve" will be far more steeper and far more off putting.

You just encountered some ***, I'm a max CP player and when I'm in IC I don't attack low level players unless they attack me, even then I just beat them down to low health and take a sip from my wine haha if they come at me again they're dead but that's on them then. I helped a low lv blue against a group of reds chasing him ( I'm a yellow) and afterwards I helped him kill some mobs and bosses so we're not all bad you know

What else are spec'd out characters suppose to do? Just troll around the sewers collecting loot.

I disagree with the OP quite a lot on this, firstly PvP is about skill, at least if you are in a balanced fight. Gear and CP are secondary when it comes to who will win in a fight, and only matters if you are fighting someone on your own skill level. Some people can whoop your ass without being at the cp cap and without having best-in-slot of everything, simply because they play their class and build extremely well.

ESO rewards skilful play, and it sounds like you probably aren't very good and just blame it on gear and cp. It might sound a bit harsh, but that's how it comes across, especially since you are saying you die to the roaming bosses a lot.

Personally I don't think they should remove PvP from IC, since it offers a different kind of PvP setting than Cyrodiil. IC is a lot more CQ and lends itself way better to small group fights than zergs. Further, PvP is what ESO lacks the most in as it is extremely PvE centric, so I don't think stripping away PvP elements is a smart move. In fact they should add more PvP elements to the game, things like Battleground and Arenas would definitely make a lot of players happy. Duelling being added is a direct result of the lack of PvP in ESO, so yeah making IC completely PvE based is nonsensical to me.

In terms of making Tel Var stones, the best way to go about it is farming district bosses either solo or in a group. When I run it with 6-12 other people I tend to make 30-40k in 2 hours if I don't die. If you die a lot you make like 10-20 usually. In my case though, most of the gear I use in PvP comes from PvE dungeons / trials or is crafted.

JungleBoot wrote: »

Some of you are being understanding and I appreciate that. I'm still frustrated but a bit calmer about it. That's when it hit me. Gear Scores. It may not be a perfect solution but it might close the gap where balance towards the game is concerned. And yes, my thinking of gear scores comes from The Division. Like I stated, it's not perfect. Gear only gets you so far. But as long as I am playing against players within the same gear category or rank structure, I could have a chance at getting better.

And I have watched several of Deltia's videos. And I am trying to figure out what works best for me. I also don't like feeling like I have to carry a ton of potions with me. We only get one consumable slot and switching between consumables during combat isn't always feasible. Not all of us have great hand-gaming dexterity. These are challenges and hurdles to get over. I just don't like it.

Sounds like you are on console - on PC we have the Greymind's addon that gives us as many potion slots as we want and can assign hotkeys to hot swap between them whenever. In pvp this is especially huge for unstoppable pots, tripots, invis pots, poisons... i really dont know how you guys on console play in comparison. But i guess you dont know any different since it is what it is and the same for all console players... meh

I'm CP 230 and I've farmed enough Tel Var to sell multiple sets of Blackroses to other players......Yes CP 531 kills me every single time but you gotta be smart about it...

1. Team up with other people in safe area,,or use zone chat to look for group
2. Use sigil of imperial retreat,,or switch campaign when you have a load of stones on you. Don't walk back and get ganked....
3. Be flexible..if there are a team of gankers roaming..take a break

Don't fight fire with fire man....You shouldn't be able to kill CP 531 with all golden gears at CP 200. This isn't a FPS...

JungleBoot wrote: »

Actually, I'm dying a lot from PvP. Why? Because looser 531s see a lone or lagging behind 201 and think gank time. And it's usually a NightBlade striking from stealth follwed by a DK critical charge and some other player's crowd control skill. So before I can react to anything, all my resources have been depleted and someone is happily performing their execution move. Or it's that lone NB at 531 or higher than me with that all so special gear that immobilizes me and just melts my health away. Meanwhile, I attempt to get some damage done to that player and their health bar barely moves. Yeah, I'm frustrated. But, it is hardly a fair matchup. Sheez, I need a freakin chance to learn before I can learn. And if all I am is gank food because of the so called "meta" builds everyone runs, I'll never get better. It's easy to sit their and say learn to play when you are always running around with your three friends and decked out in that all so special meta build. And I'm suppose to have an opportunity to learn when in those conditions? And that won't change by playing on Azura's. I'll still have to deal with the same "meta" builds. Al things being equal I could probably learn and get better. But as long as I am severly disadvantaged, my "learning curve" will be far more steeper and far more off putting.

Couple things here. The gap between 201 CP and 531 CP, while not insignificant, is not enough to prevent you from being able to do enough damage to move an enemy's health bar; that would likely be due to either a large gap in skill, or not having a good build for PVP. However, if you're not at CP cap I'd recommend joining the Azura's Star campaign where CP is disabled. Alternatively, you could create a new character and once he is around level 15-20, bring him into the Blackwater Blade campaign, where CP is disabled and everybody is below max level. The game scales your stats up to max level, so you won't be at much of a disadvantage going up against higher level characters (they actually scale your stats higher the lower your level, but higher level characters will have more skills and passives unlocked, so it will pretty much even out). Now there are still some very good players who play in Blackwater Blade (or BWB as people call it), but it tends to be more balanced due to the absence of CP and the fact that since nobody is at max level, nobody can wear super strong endgame gear. Also, if you're interested in actually becoming better at PVP, and not just getting the Tel Var you need and never coming back, you might want to spend some time in Cyrodiil running with larger groups. If you don't like grouping with people, you can even just find a keep that is under attack and go there and play alongside the large group without officially grouping with them. While this is not something you will always want to do, as it becomes a crutch that can prevent you from getting better at the game, its not a bad idea for new players, since it allows them to get more acclimated into a PVP environment while generally being much safer than travelling alone.

Finally, what build (skills and gear) are you running? I find that a lot of times when new players are struggling in PVP, its because they are running with poor skills and/or gear, and even just making a couple changes in the regard can make a huge difference.

There is a chance for you pvers to obtain these sets. Earn gold with pve and buy them on stores, simple.

It was a mistake of the devs to make the Cp level visible to others. Of course I will always focus low CP and light armor players first, not even a question.

But I have something for you Azura's Star, a non-Cp campaign. Thank me later.

You don't need tel var stones for IC sets. You can purchase them in guild traders and they are not ridiculously expensive.

If you can't hang in IC, pve elsewhere and farm gold to buy those sets.

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