PvP in this Game is BS

JungleBoot

To some degree it's about skill, I see that. But mostly, it's about the gear and number of 531s in your group. There is no room for new players to enjoy or experience IC. The experienced players roll alts and they do fine. But new players, we have no freakin clue about what gear to use or anything. And players are using exploits such as gap closers to camp faction doors and farm APs. It's total BS and highly frustrating for a player such as me who is never able to obtain that many Tel Var stones. It takes 25,000 tel var stones to get a 5 piece purple set. At best, I get to bank 100 or 200 ever so often. And when I do have a nice amount from traveling with a group, I wind up being the easy target for PvPers or get killed by flag bosses which always decreases the amount by half. Yeah, I die a lot. PvP needs to be removed from IC period. Give them a freakin arena for that nonsense. Give us PvE players a chance at obtaining some of these sets so we can at least compete. Otherwise, it's always the same "meta" builds facing the same "meta" builds. So much for playing the way you want to. Because you have to be set up in a certain way just to have a chance.

mr1sho

No pvp in IC is fine you need to L2P

JungleBoot

mr1sho wrote: »

No pvp in IC is fine you need to L2P

No, you need to learn to appreciate that not everyone wants to put up with PvP. To get some of the better gear and skills, it is forced upon you. So while all the awesome DPs spec'd players are trashing enemies left and right because they have the gear and items from things like trials and maelstron, the rest of just lag behind. And should you be so kind to "sell" your duplicates, you charge outrageous gold prices like 100k or -- I don't know 1 million like that is all everyone does is farm for gold to buy items out of reach.

I spent most of the day playing in IC today. I started with about 4,000 Tel Var stones and finished with a little over 5,000. Meanwhile, I hear other players in the group talking about how they have collected 4, 000. And yeah, they aren't dieing as much as me. I get that.

KingYogi415

Go back to COD or LT2P!

strikeback1247

IC is a PvP area with PvE elements, not the other way around. Don't expect zos to change it.

Firerock2

Play on Azura's where there is no CP clutch and find a good build. Get a v15 set if you can't grind up to the 25k telvar stones atm.

Daemons_Bane

Srry pal.. Even as a PvE player, I have to vote that down.. IC is, literally, the center of the PvP zone in this game.. This game has very little space for PvP'ers already, so let them at least enjoy what they have.. As someone already mentioned, you can join campaigns without vet levels, to get an idea of builds and tactics

I do agree though, that PvP in this game is based more on the correct items, than player skill

Izaki

You know there's a non vet campaign right? You know there's a non CP campaign right?
If you get killed by mobs in IC, its really you just gotta L2P mate...
Take it easy though. Seems to me you're a bit too frustrated. Craft yourself some gear (IC sets are pretty trash except for the cancerous Black Rose). Plenty of builds out there for you to watch and to personalize. You don't just suddenly get good by watching Sypher's build videos. You actually gotta make that build your own.

mr1sho

JungleBoot wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

No pvp in IC is fine you need to L2P

No, you need to learn to appreciate that not everyone wants to put up with PvP. To get some of the better gear and skills, it is forced upon you. So while all the awesome DPs spec'd players are trashing enemies left and right because they have the gear and items from things like trials and maelstron, the rest of just lag behind. And should you be so kind to "sell" your duplicates, you charge outrageous gold prices like 100k or -- I don't know 1 million like that is all everyone does is farm for gold to buy items out of reach.

I spent most of the day playing in IC today. I started with about 4,000 Tel Var stones and finished with a little over 5,000. Meanwhile, I hear other players in the group talking about how they have collected 4, 000. And yeah, they aren't dieing as much as me. I get that.

To walk you must first crawl or roll lol keep on playing and stop complaining you will gain the skills to survive in Cyro

Skinzz

So you dont want to pvp but you want pvp gear? Lol. Sounds you just haven't learned how to pvp etc.

Pepper8Jack

I understand the frustration, but as has been said already... this is an issue of not learning from the encounters you are having.

You are "dying a lot"; IC isn't populated enough for those deaths to be entirely accounted for by enemy players. You are dying to the PvE elements that you seem to be asking for, which means that your skill level/build is simply not where it needs to be. You need experience, practice, and possibly some research into a proper build. Otherwise, regardless of whether or not there are any players, you'll still be losing stones to the mindless NPCs you're attempting to farm. So rather than come to the forums and complain, why not instead come seeking input and advice on how to improve as a player and as a character?

Second, you seem to be incorrectly assuming that IC is a PVP-enabled PvE zone. I advise you to go back and read the original advertisements for IC; it is and was very clearly intended to be a "high-risk high-reward PvP zone" where the better you are, the more you'll profit. It was never intended to be for PvE players, it was intended for the PvP players who were looking for an added layer of excitement to their preferred game mode. Notice how no other zone in the game has a mechanic akin to the Tel Var system? That is because without the PvP risk that IC presents, there is no reason to provide the added rewards.

I fully sympathize with your frustration, but directing your anger at a system that was designed to do exactly what your complaining about is not the way to go. Instead, I suggest that you ask for help, and I'm certain someone will be willing and able to assist you.

Luigi_Vampa

Remove PvP from a PvP zone, just...

bottleofsyrup

Sounds like you want what other people worked for handed to you. L2P.

Unsent.Soul

xskinzcity wrote: »

So you dont want to pvp but you want pvp gear? Lol. Sounds you just haven't learned how to pvp etc.

Exactly this, I hear the same thing from a guild mate. He is new to the game, he expects to conquer the world. As soon as he gets destroyed in IC he screams fowl, complains how those players have no lives, and goes on and on... there's a whole lot of learning and unjust rage fits don't help.

85flyingbrick_ESO

Rohamad_Ali

I think people can sell those sets , can they ?

JungleBoot

Actually, I'm dying a lot from PvP. Why? Because looser 531s see a lone or lagging behind 201 and think gank time. And it's usually a NightBlade striking from stealth follwed by a DK critical charge and some other player's crowd control skill. So before I can react to anything, all my resources have been depleted and someone is happily performing their execution move. Or it's that lone NB at 531 or higher than me with that all so special gear that immobilizes me and just melts my health away. Meanwhile, I attempt to get some damage done to that player and their health bar barely moves. Yeah, I'm frustrated. But, it is hardly a fair matchup. Sheez, I need a freakin chance to learn before I can learn. And if all I am is gank food because of the so called "meta" builds everyone runs, I'll never get better. It's easy to sit their and say learn to play when you are always running around with your three friends and decked out in that all so special meta build. And I'm suppose to have an opportunity to learn when in those conditions? And that won't change by playing on Azura's. I'll still have to deal with the same "meta" builds. Al things being equal I could probably learn and get better. But as long as I am severly disadvantaged, my "learning curve" will be far more steeper and far more off putting.

85flyingbrick_ESO

That's part of the game. That's how it was designed. this isn't some secret thing. If you want to not die you have to not lag behind. not run solo until you are that good--few are. It takes time.

Unsent.Soul

85flyingbrick_ESO wrote: »

That's part of the game. That's how it was designed. this isn't some secret thing. If you want to not die you have to not lag behind. not run solo until you are that good--few are. It takes time.

OP needs to find a guild and run with some more experienced players. Listen and learn, see the motions, learn a build, learn your class. Understanding which classes use what skills, how to counter certain skills.

Being new and running solo in PvP is a sure way to become frustrated.

Rohamad_Ali

JungleBoot wrote: »

Actually, I'm dying a lot from PvP. Why? Because looser 531s see a lone or lagging behind 201 and think gank time. And it's usually a NightBlade striking from stealth follwed by a DK critical charge and some other player's crowd control skill. So before I can react to anything, all my resources have been depleted and someone is happily performing their execution move. Or it's that lone NB at 531 or higher than me with that all so special gear that immobilizes me and just melts my health away. Meanwhile, I attempt to get some damage done to that player and their health bar barely moves. Yeah, I'm frustrated. But, it is hardly a fair matchup. Sheez, I need a freakin chance to learn before I can learn. And if all I am is gank food because of the so called "meta" builds everyone runs, I'll never get better. It's easy to sit their and say learn to play when you are always running around with your three friends and decked out in that all so special meta build. And I'm suppose to have an opportunity to learn when in those conditions? And that won't change by playing on Azura's. I'll still have to deal with the same "meta" builds. Al things being equal I could probably learn and get better. But as long as I am severly disadvantaged, my "learning curve" will be far more steeper and far more off putting.

I recommend joining a guild that trains and accepts new players to PvP . Yes PvP is very tough and leads to many rants . You are not the first and won't be the last . Join up and make friends . Practice makes perfect and there are crafted sets that will hold weight until you get the stones from IC to get what you are looking for . Good luck to and do not give up . Take a break and recollect your self and start out fresh after you find a good team to learn with .

85flyingbrick_ESO

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

85flyingbrick_ESO wrote: »

That's part of the game. That's how it was designed. this isn't some secret thing. If you want to not die you have to not lag behind. not run solo until you are that good--few are. It takes time.

OP needs to find a guild and run with some more experienced players. Listen and learn, see the motions, learn a build, learn your class. Understanding which classes use what skills, how to counter certain skills.

Being new and running solo in PvP is a sure way to become frustrated.

Completely. We've all been there. After my first few runs i didn't go near cyrodil for quite a while. Then i went back and found some very good guilds letting noobs run with them. Now i'm hooked. Like most things people need to decide if the effort is worth it.

STEVIL

JungleBoot wrote: »

To some degree it's about skill, I see that. But mostly, it's about the gear and number of 531s in your group. There is no room for new players to enjoy or experience IC. The experienced players roll alts and they do fine. But new players, we have no freakin clue about what gear to use or anything. And players are using exploits such as gap closers to camp faction doors and farm APs. It's total BS and highly frustrating for a player such as me who is never able to obtain that many Tel Var stones. It takes 25,000 tel var stones to get a 5 piece purple set. At best, I get to bank 100 or 200 ever so often. And when I do have a nice amount from traveling with a group, I wind up being the easy target for PvPers or get killed by flag bosses which always decreases the amount by half. Yeah, I die a lot. PvP needs to be removed from IC period. Give them a freakin arena for that nonsense. Give us PvE players a chance at obtaining some of these sets so we can at least compete. Otherwise, it's always the same "meta" builds facing the same "meta" builds. So much for playing the way you want to. Because you have to be set up in a certain way just to have a chance.

Sorry you dont find the PVP play currently satisfying.

i would be against removing PVP from IC.

i would have no probs with adding a PVE only version of IC.

Whenever possible, allow more choices. you dont have to take away.

Luigi_Vampa

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I think people can sell those sets , can they ?

Yes, they can and it isn't even that expensive, because it is pretty easy to aquire.

jircris11

i do not enjoy pvp but i also do not want it removed from a PVP area.

Acrolas

The real BS is AD having a low population bonus with a 77 player queue.

olsborg

Its like asking for no pve in undaunted pledges...

DemonDruaga

Well getting new into pvp is hard in almost every game. For the gear: there are really good craftable 5piece sets that can be used for pvp. Some of the bests are in fact craftable. And if you really need something from telvar (blackrose or reactive i guess?) Then let just another player buy them for you. I do not know the ps4 prieces but on pc eu those sets are really cheap to get already. I equiped alot of my buddies since they aren't BoP.

AzuraKin

i was gonna say something, but heck others said it for me.

Silver_Strider

1) The Tel Var sets are neither required nor optimal for PvP (Black Rose excluded but that set is only a problem when used by a Redguard) All of them are probably available in guild traders, most likely cheap as dirt due to how easy the sets are to acquire.

2) People that have played longer than you will have an advantage over you. This is true in practically every MMO, ESO is no different in this regard.

3) There are alternative campaigns for new players where they aren't completely outmatched at the gate, I'd suggest you utilize them.

If you're new to the game, instead of just complaining on the forums, ask for advice on how to better prepare for PvP. You'll still be at a disadvantage as there is still a learning curve but that gets better with time and practice. Make friends, join a guild, anything to even the odds when it comes to fighting those groups of 531 CP characters, which you'll probably not run into in CP removed/new player campaigns. Wear Impenetrable trait gear for PvP so as to reduce the likelihood of dying to crit damage from enemy players.

Yes, exploits and the like are annoying but shouldn't hamper in you in your enjoyment as much as it seems to be currently.

Bobby_V_Rockit

You'll figure it out. If you are crouched, you shoyld be able to see the blue ring (aggro zone) around those flag bosses and stay out of it. Its a pain, but I try to go there at quiet hours when there are less folk online. If I port to cyrodiil and most of the map is blue, I know gankers are out and looking for easy kills, so will go right back to PvE. If the map is mostly my alliance colour, I'll go check out the sewers.

I run PvE stam DPS meta at max cp, I get killed waaaaay more often than I kill. Pretty much need a seperate gear setup for PvP

Pepper8Jack

JungleBoot wrote: »

Actually, I'm dying a lot from PvP. Why? Because looser 531s see a lone or lagging behind 201 and think gank time. And it's usually a NightBlade striking from stealth follwed by a DK critical charge and some other player's crowd control skill. So before I can react to anything, all my resources have been depleted and someone is happily performing their execution move. Or it's that lone NB at 531 or higher than me with that all so special gear that immobilizes me and just melts my health away. Meanwhile, I attempt to get some damage done to that player and their health bar barely moves. Yeah, I'm frustrated. But, it is hardly a fair matchup. Sheez, I need a freakin chance to learn before I can learn. And if all I am is gank food because of the so called "meta" builds everyone runs, I'll never get better. It's easy to sit their and say learn to play when you are always running around with your three friends and decked out in that all so special meta build. And I'm suppose to have an opportunity to learn when in those conditions? And that won't change by playing on Azura's. I'll still have to deal with the same "meta" builds. Al things being equal I could probably learn and get better. But as long as I am severly disadvantaged, my "learning curve" will be far more steeper and far more off putting.

I play solo 90% of the time. I farm for tel vars solo 80% of the time. About 50% of the time, I play on incomplete builds.

Yes, the CP and the builds make a dramatic difference... but I've seen plenty of skilled 300-400 cp players with decent builds absolutely trash 531s with fully decked out BiS setups.

Skill is the biggest factor to your success in PvP.

My recommendation, roll a new character, level up to 20-30, then jump into Black water Blade. Non-vet campaigns are a great place to begin picking up on the skills, reactions, and knowledge necessary to effectively engage in PvP.