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WHY ZOS? WHY MAKE CROWN STORE EXCLUSIVE MOTIFS?!!!

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http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/09/30/crown-store-showcase--september-30th-2016


Crown Crafting Motif: Grim Harlequin

Do you like dark humor, grim but funny? We've got a stylish motif for you! As Chamberlain Haskill explains, “My Lord Sheogorath has directed me to compile a guide for those seeking to create 'Grim Harlequin' arms and armor, so that the Mad God's mortal servants may have a way to make all their equipment look the same. Of course, this standardization runs counter to all other cult practices, and is insane on the face of it. What's your point?"

The Grim Harlequin style will be available on all platforms for a limited time during the Witches Festival, from October 13 to November 1.


With all the costumes, hats, polymorphs, etc, the last non-crownstore style thing we had in the game was crafting motifs. Now, we have the first motif that can't be acquired in-game but can only be bought.
As a player, subscriber and a master crafter, I find this an absolutely detestable turn of events. This kind of blatant cash grabbing can't be more obvious and betrays the very spirit of the game!
I don't have words to say for this. At this rate, everything in the game will eventually be filled with pay-only stuff.
  • MaxwellC
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    Honestly I don't see the point I mean it's not like it's impacting everyone and if you really like it then go buy it. This style seems fine imo and if they wanna make it crown store only then so be it because I honestly don't care for it.

    Now if they were to make the skyrim daedric armor a motif only (since the Xivkyn armor doesn't look anything as dangerous as skyrims did) then I'd be pretty annoyed, so I can see where you're coming from.
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  • Prof_Bawbag
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    $$$$$$$$$$$$$'s that's why. There's actually a discussion in the crown forum about the limited timed items. It's a potent marketing strategy and there will be a lot more suckers that will buy it than there would have been if it was available outside the crown store or not timed.
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    susmitds wrote: »
    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/09/30/crown-store-showcase--september-30th-2016


    Crown Crafting Motif: Grim Harlequin

    Do you like dark humor, grim but funny? We've got a stylish motif for you! As Chamberlain Haskill explains, “My Lord Sheogorath has directed me to compile a guide for those seeking to create 'Grim Harlequin' arms and armor, so that the Mad God's mortal servants may have a way to make all their equipment look the same. Of course, this standardization runs counter to all other cult practices, and is insane on the face of it. What's your point?"

    The Grim Harlequin style will be available on all platforms for a limited time during the Witches Festival, from October 13 to November 1.


    With all the costumes, hats, polymorphs, etc, the last non-crownstore style thing we had in the game was crafting motifs. Now, we have the first motif that can't be acquired in-game but can only be bought.
    As a player, subscriber and a master crafter, I find this an absolutely detestable turn of events. This kind of blatant cash grabbing can't be more obvious and betrays the very spirit of the game!
    I don't have words to say for this. At this rate, everything in the game will eventually be filled with pay-only stuff.

    Oh my... Limited edition motifs... I never actually thought I'd see the day ZOS would implement something like this. I'm definitely curious about the logic behind it, as well as how many players are going to buy it.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No use complaining , they won't change it . People will just yell at you for complaining .
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  • MyNameIsElias
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    Great, zenimax is in full damage control mode, move the discussion away to the least visited forum section, while they completly ignore the 100% legit concerns that people have, @ZOS_RichLambert I hope you are proud of the direction the game is going in, you should work at EA instead, you'd be right up their alley.
    Edited by MyNameIsElias on September 30, 2016 3:17PM
  • silvereyes
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    Has anyone confirmed that this style won't be dropping in-game? Maybe there will be page drops during the Witches Festival?
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    silvereyes wrote: »
    Has anyone confirmed that this style won't be dropping in-game? Maybe there will be page drops during the Witches Festival?

    There are Hollowjack drops in the festival and it is listed in-game but Grim Harlequin never dropped in PTS from any source. If it does somewhere, devs should confirm it. On mobile, so can't them properly.
  • FortheloveofKrist
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    Can we get a confirmation that this is a crafting motif only available in Crown Store, and does not drop in game?

    If you made crafting P2W (which is exactly what this is), you've lost me. Promise.

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    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    Can we get a confirmation that this is a crafting motif only available in Crown Store, and does not drop in game?

    If you made crafting P2W (which is exactly what this is), you've lost me. Promise.

    Made crafting pay 2 win? How do you win by making armor look different?

    I am not saying I like or dislike what they are doing, but let's not call everything pay 2 win.

    I think some people have a hard time distinguishing what is pay 2 win and what isn't pay 2 win.
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    This is just another thing that disincentivizes playing the actual game. I've been plugging along grinding out my motif pages with the goal of getting them all someday... welp. Not really interested in chasing completionist goals that require me to whip out my credit card. It's not like the motifs are all that useful without the ability to restyle dropped sets, so whatever I guess.

    Note to ZOS, between this and the crown crate debacle, you might be boiling your frogs a bit too quickly. I know I feel like jumping out of the pot more and more each day :(
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    Great, zenimax is in full damage control mode, move the discussion away to the least visited forum section, while they completly ignore the 100% legit concerns that people have, @ZOS_RichLambert I hope you are proud of the direction the game is going in, you should work at EA instead, you'd be right up their alley.

    +1

    I wonder why....

    Not like it is a topic about ZOS getting players to pay for crafting styles ONLY one way....

    WTF is next? CROWN STORE ACHIEVEMENTS!!!

    Last straw, im done. Really obvious where ESO is going now....RIP.
    Edited by Troneon on September 30, 2016 4:29PM
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  • UrQuan
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    Making motif pages available via in-game activity keeps me playing the game as I always try to do whatever the activity is to get the pages. I'm not opposed to having motifs available in the crown store for purchase. I even bought one myself once (I think it was Xivkyn) when I decided I couldn't be bothered to try to farm it myself, or to try to find pages for sale on guild stores.

    Making a motif exclusive to the crown store isn't a good way to keep me interested in playing.
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Making motif pages available via in-game activity keeps me playing the game as I always try to do whatever the activity is to get the pages.

    ^This. I prefer to EARN my Motifs. I don't even like buying them with in-game gold; it's why I'm only halfway to the Akaviri Motif.
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  • Francis_Toliver
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    Can we get a confirmation that this is a crafting motif only available in Crown Store, and does not drop in game?

    If you made crafting P2W (which is exactly what this is), you've lost me. Promise.

    Um, so offence but WTF are you talking about?!? P2W is a term used to define a game that requires cash payments to succeed in competing on the boards or in PVP. To succeed in end game content. To succeed in mastering the combat the game provides.

    How in the world can you jump from that, to the belief that a crafting motif (which is exclusively a vanity object) is P2W? Are you on drugs?!?

    Its a Vanity item. It makes your armor look a particular way. It has NO EFFECT on game play.

    It is NOT p2w.

    It IS exactly the kind of thing that Zos can and should charge cash for. It isn't needed but if people want to spend the extra money to look cool, they can buy it.

    What is wrong with you people?!?
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    Is anyone surprised? I wonder if the trait stones will drop in the game for a limited edition motif.
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    Embarrassing. This is truly of general interest to the ESOTU community.
    Edited by Idinuse on September 30, 2016 8:07PM
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  • Recremen
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    Well, this is bad news if it's really a Crown Store exclusive. What ever happened to not letting people make in-game gold off of Crown Store items? You know that people will be paying others to craft gear in this style. Not cool!!
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    Don't buy it , If their sales statistic are low ... this will be the end of EXCLUSIVE crown motif .
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    Apherius wrote: »
    Don't buy it , If their sales statistic are low ... this will be the end of EXCLUSIVE crown motif .

    I'm not buying it, but some people are so thankful they're putting anything in the store at all instead of putting it in the crown crates there are sure to be plenty of sales.

    Also because this:
    Recremen wrote: »
    Well, this is bad news if it's really a Crown Store exclusive. What ever happened to not letting people make in-game gold off of Crown Store items? You know that people will be paying others to craft gear in this style. Not cool!!

    So much gear is going bind on pickup in One Tamriel that people will be looking for other ways to make gold in game now. How convenient this comes along at just the right time.
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    I agree, complaining about it does nothing. They have zero interest in our thoughts about decisions they make. That being said, I would also like confirmation that this motif will only be available via the crown store. Now would be the time to say so if that is not the case.
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    Ohhh I got it... money. Duh.
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    Apherius wrote: »
    Don't buy it , If their sales statistic are low ... this will be the end of EXCLUSIVE crown motif .

    But sadly people will see it as business opportunity.
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    It won't be a business opportunity. I can see them selling the style item right, and then describing it with items created with it will automatically be bound to the creators account. No way are they going to let people get it without buying it themselves from the crown store.
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  • Legoless
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    It won't be a business opportunity. I can see them selling the style item right, and then describing it with items created with it will automatically be bound to the creators account. No way are they going to let people get it without buying it themselves from the crown store.
    You can already do this with Crown-bought motifs. They won't limit it.
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    Crown-bought motifs are fine if you can also get them in game.

    But WTF IS THIS??? IS it serious??? Are there achievements for this?? Are we forced to pay 11k crowns to get 100 achievement points now??
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    I've already said enough on this topic..... ZOS is really hurting their own game. It's still successful, but even with all of these amazing zones/features on their way, you can only become so despicable before the Red flag goes up.

    I know many players now who have only recently moved on to other games, seldomly playing ESO to stay detatched should the Crown Crates be a sign for the future of this game.

    And Crowns-only motifs? I mean wtf! Totally screwed over the entire Crafter community.

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    Why are you trying to kill ESO? The game isn't doing horrible! It's probably doing quite well! But something as petty as making motifs Crown Store exclusive at the same time as Crown Crates releasing....... with big new zones/Spellcrafting being halted for Player Housing (another inevitable Crown Store cash crab) and costumes/mounts getting more expensive by the Quarter...?

    It's sapped the fun from ESO that a big portion of your loyal players have felt. You aren't giving us any reason to believe that we should stay because ESO's performance might improve and new content will surface.
    Edited by Vaoh on October 4, 2016 9:23PM
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    Great, zenimax is in full damage control mode, move the discussion away to the least visited forum section, while they completly ignore the 100% legit concerns that people have, @ZOS_RichLambert I hope you are proud of the direction the game is going in, you should work at EA instead, you'd be right up their alley.

    Really? A Crown Store thread moved to the Crown Store category is damage control?
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    I don't really care about this motif being crown store exclusive but what I do care about is that those who purchase this motif, will they be able to craft this style for others? They would make extreme amounts of gold doing this more so than any other player is able to and without farming a single thing. People who purchase this motif should have all items of this style bound to their account
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    A big question on this is where to obtain the material to craft it. If it is a crown store motif it's bad enough, but where will the material be dropped?
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