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ANIMATION CANCELING IS NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE ZOS, WHY LIE?
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Lumbermill_Emperor✭✭✭✭we need report a first message to close this topic
pls do it!
no need to beat dead horse again and again0 -
Panzyfaust✭✭✭It would be better if it were a documented feature in the game, really. Undocumented features like this can pretty dramatically widen skill gaps between groups of players "in the know" and groups of players who don't actively research the meta.
I'm not personally a fan of it as a mechanic for various reasons but if it's staying in the game it couldn't hurt to document it.May the ground you walk quake as you pass.5 -
milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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That's a really good argument, actually.It indeed causes lag.
It indeed is something that doesn't feel like it's intended (to me at least).
It does however also increase skill cap and allows some pretty ridiculously cool moves.
Conclusion? Yea, they should look into it, so it feels a bit better and stops causing lag. (Using frags with a-cancel causes ridiculous enemy behavior)
EDIT: And please stop bashing people who feel animation canceling is "cheap" or sth. It's a somewhat weird mechanic and easy to dislike.
When the game launched, I got the hang of animation cancelling/attack weaving before I even understood what it was or why it was effective.
That DOESN'T mean I like it, because it offends the immersion hound portion of my brain. Mechanically, I don't mind it. But some deep part of my psyche is GALLED by the idea of my character doing something that's not happening visually on my screen.
If I wanted to pretend I was letting an attack fly, I'd go back to tabletop roleplaying games. In Elder Scrolls, I want to SEE my blades flashing and my staves firing.
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IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭Panzyfaust wrote: »It would be better if it were a documented feature in the game, really. Undocumented features like this can pretty dramatically widen skill gaps between groups of players "in the know" and groups of players who don't actively research the meta.
I'm not personally a fan of it as a mechanic for various reasons but if it's staying in the game it couldn't hurt to document it.
This exactly is the major point. If this feature is really officially blessed by ZOS and content like the vMSA requires it then why is there nor tutorial in the game or any documentation/article on the main web site ?
Quite frankly, ZOS is currently throwing the majority of the player base, the ones who doesn't regularly read the forums, to the wolves by omitting this important technique ....2 -
Decado✭✭✭✭Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone
There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat
Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it
Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,
If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,
Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,0 -
Malitias✭✭Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone
There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat
Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it
Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,
If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,
Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,
This is just complete bollocks.
It's not about ppl wanting it to be easier, nor is it really about ppl not being able to learn it really. It's about a mechanic that causes technical problems, is not explained anywhere in the game and messes alot with the immersion.
Oh and showing a vast amount of ppl complaining about something does prove something. It proves there is a reasonable amount of players feeling that something isn't quite right with the game.
Calling ppl names, because they don't share your opinion, also proves something btw...6 -
Decado✭✭✭✭Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone
There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat
Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it
Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,
If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,
Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,
This is just complete bollocks.
It's not about ppl wanting it to be easier, nor is it really about ppl not being able to learn it really. It's about a mechanic that causes technical problems, is not explained anywhere in the game and messes alot with the immersion.
Oh and showing a vast amount of ppl complaining about something does prove something. It proves there is a reasonable amount of players feeling that something isn't quite right with the game.
Calling ppl names, because they don't share your opinion, also proves something btw...
I see vasts amounts of people calling for nerfs on just about everything possible doesn't mean they are right
I've not seen any technical problems with animation cancelling TBH, I see absolutely zero problems with this being a part of the game.
I didn't call anyone specific any names however in generally is noobs who complain about things To get them nerfed because they can't handle/ counter it
Also it's one of the big reasons some people
Pull 30k DPS and some players pull
40-50k and that's s good thingEdited by Decado on September 27, 2016 8:36AM0 -
Ex_Draconis✭✭AC is the only thing that makes combat feel fluid and realistic imo, particularly with melee weapons.By forge and fire we prep for war
With war in our eyes we're ready to die
With death in hand we bear our blades
By Stendarr's blade we will settle the score0 -
Malitias✭✭I've not seen any technical problems with animation cancelling TBH, I see absolutely zero problems with this being a part of the game.
It seems we're playing different games then.Also it's one of the big reasons some people
Pull 30k DPS and some players pull
40-50k and that's s good thing
Nobody said there's a problem with skill being important.
NOBODY said that. What I'm trying to say is that AC doesn't really feel good, at least in the way it's currently implemented, and causes problems with some skills. These problems seem to vary between players, but it would simply be wrong to say there are none.3 -
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✭Animation canceling isn´t an issue (unless its from NPC´s) [snip]
it does encourage macro'ing to pull it off though.
Yes I do know that many do it without macro's, but there can be no argument that it's easier to do in a macro. Many of the gaming mice and keyboards support this type of Macro.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 14, 2026 6:11PM1 -
sentientomega✭✭✭I do not think PvE content, especially solo PvE content, should be based around a requirement to use weaving/animation cancelling. If peeps want to use it, fine; but it should never ever be a requirement, it's not even aesthetically pleasing to watch.Edited by sentientomega on September 27, 2016 9:41AM3 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone
There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat
Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it
Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,
If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,
Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,
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well it certainly does not separata noobs and pros in terms of builds or experience, but this skill is in the game and everyone "has" to learn it to be competetive, so it separates those who do know how to do it from those who do not (who die usually very fast because of ther lack of this skill)
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 14, 2026 6:07PM0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭sentientomega wrote: »I do not think PvE content, especially solo PvE content, should be based around a requirement to use weaving/animation cancelling. If peeps want to use it, fine; but it should never ever be a requirement, it's not even aesthetically pleasing to watch.
you totally do not need it for PVE, but for PVP it is a must0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭IwakuraLain42 wrote: »Panzyfaust wrote: »It would be better if it were a documented feature in the game, really. Undocumented features like this can pretty dramatically widen skill gaps between groups of players "in the know" and groups of players who don't actively research the meta.
I'm not personally a fan of it as a mechanic for various reasons but if it's staying in the game it couldn't hurt to document it.
This exactly is the major point. If this feature is really officially blessed by ZOS and content like the vMSA requires it then why is there nor tutorial in the game or any documentation/article on the main web site ?
Quite frankly, ZOS is currently throwing the majority of the player base, the ones who doesn't regularly read the forums, to the wolves by omitting this important technique ....
that is true, if ZOS supports the using of AC, they should definitelly mention it in the "?" help tutorial documents in the game1 -
DemonDruaga✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »They have commented on it before. It was NOT intended, but they are "happy" with it. The reality is that it allows for a layer of skill that makes the game interesting. They have also balanced all PVE content for the last 2 years around weaving. It is 100% required in PVE, and you are doing yourself a disservice if you dont do it PVP.
I suspect you have a low ping . Try doing it with a 250+ ping that many have to play with and if you can succesfully do it then you definitely have skill. Otherwise you essentially have an exploit that others cannot use.
i would never play an online game with a minimum ping of 250. Like there is no one that go with an old car against a new high speed car for a grand prix.
Ardor // Dunkelsicht // Pakt0 -
Lolssi✭✭✭I'll use it but it is stupid as hell. Makes no sense attack happening without animation for it.
I think it should go but if it is gonna stay include it in the tutorial.
And don't even get me started about those animation lags it causes..5 -
Decado✭✭✭✭Animation cancelling seperates the skilled from
The Not so skilled, leave it alone
There SHOULD be something separating them you shouldn't be able to pull the same DPS because you looked up a guide online and it told
You to press 1-3-2-5-1 and then repeat
Who cares if it was intended or not? Is here and it's a good thing, as far as I remember they never said it was intended just that they won't be changing it
Also throwing a list of threads that people have wrote complaining about it doesn't prove a thing,
If a bunch on scrubs/ noobs complained constantly about something doesn't mean they are right, it just means they want it easier,
Anyone who can't learn basic weave or animation cancelling should learn to play or accept they are not going to be as good as people who can,
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Oh I agree it comes down to nothing without the things you listed, i always tell my friends/ guildies if they ask for my build or builds on YouTube/ forums always take them as a template I can give you my exact build and rotation doesn't mean you will get same results you should understand the build and why certain skills are on bars etc, if using someone else's build always make it fit you and your play style
However with that being said if they have all the things you listed and are a genuinely good played If they correctly utilise all of that AND animation cancelling then they will see results from it
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 14, 2026 6:13PM1 -
ZOS_JohanaB✭✭✭✭We've closed this thread for over all lack of constructive conversation, there's just a lot of batting, and flaming going on. In the future please remember to be civil, constructive, and follow the community rules.0
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