ATTENTION GAME DEVS (Please adjust all of these issues)

KramUzibra · September 2016

milkbox wrote: »

Friends don't let friends buy motifs.

Make friends > profit!!

This is so true I'm a master crafter and most of the motifs I get are Givin to me. Of course I'll make them armor to return the favor

Woeler · September 2016

This topic made me laugh

milkbox · September 2016

KramUzibra · September 2016

Lol ironically tl_gamer gets upset when others call himor her a troll yet he or she is constantly calling anyone who dare to disagree or express a difference in opinion a troll and or ignorant.

I'm not sure if this is a pc exclusivity but I'm not seeing this on the xbox.

idk · September 2016

TL_Gamer wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

A value of a item is dictated buy those willing to spend gold on the item and what its worth the owner...

Except that doesn't happen in this game...Guilds are in fact dictating prices on everything and I have the video to prove it which I will link here once it's uploaded.

@TL_Gamer

Once again, wrong on this. Guilds do not dictate anything. Players in the guild dictate what they want to sell items and other players dictate what they are willing to pay for it. In the end it is the person you quoted that is correct.

TL_Gamer wrote: »

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

The seller is the one who sets a price.

IN ESO that is a false statement. The ones dictating the price are the guilds. And I have a video to prove it which I will link once it's uploaded.

I refer you to my comment above.

TL_Gamer wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

To OP:
Guild price fixing is BS

It is huh, I just showed guild price fixing is exactly what guilds are doing through the use of these addons in that video.

If you're going to say Guild price fixing is BS after I just posted a video showing it's not BS then I'll tell you what from now on all guilds need to stop posting any guild prices in chat, theyn need to stop using MM in chat, they need to stop saying the going rate is, or anything else guild related.

Another example of the same disillusion you keep professing. Please refer my first comment in this post for clarity.

Somehow you are arguing with everyone's clear and rational reply in this thread and yet do not understand. My hope is putting some of your comments into the same post may show how incorrect your stance is.

BTW, your thread is a waste of time. Zos can see how price is not fixed by guilds and that the free market is working as a free market should. Supply and Demand baby, Supply and Demand.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

who are the guilds?

they are players......

the guilds do not exist as some sinister eminence grise

do try and get a grip op.

Bryanonymous · September 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

who are the guilds?

they are players......

the guilds do not exist as some sinister eminence grise

do try and get a grip op.

No, no. We all know the Illuminati of Templars runs the guilds! It's up to the brotherhood of assassins... Wait, which game is this again?

Aw, now I wish I could parkour in ESO.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

who are the guilds?

they are players......

the guilds do not exist as some sinister eminence grise

do try and get a grip op.

No, no. We all know the Illuminati of Templars runs the guilds! It's up to the brotherhood of assassins... Wait, which game is this again?

Aw, now I wish I could parkour in ESO.

shh... don't tell him that.....

parkour in eso.... i have tried this off of cliffs in a variety of locations. i can jump to that bit, then to that bit.......

it always seems to end badly.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · September 2016

@TL_Gamer - "I'm not going to be intimidated and bullied into submission just because a large community of price fixing clowns cannot get their way and now realize that they might have their little price fixing incident, disrupted.
Attempting to call me a troll for pointing this out that this is a problem and announcing in game or in this thread that I'm a known troll, and how people place me on ignore, is nothing more than children throwing a temper tantrum. If people think the definition of trolling is pointing out facts, and taking a stand to say enough is enough, then perhaps it's better if you do place me on ignore."
When you actually say something that is a "fact", we might listen. As it is, you refuse to accept you are wrong and to full of yourself to realize the FACT that guilds are made up of people, who set their own prices.There is no conspiracy. Period.

What is a troll IMO? Someone who just starts a game, stands in zone chat for hours at a time, for days, arguing and calling ppl stupid and ignorant, then when they dont agree them they join forums, start a forum page to renew said "discussion of false facts, and when no one agrees again, resort to name calling and "It is everyone else who is wrong" Im the only one who's right."
You have ignored SO many good replies to your OP and detailed explanations of how wrong you are on so many levels, and still you just refuse to even discus it like a adult. You just respond by saying we are stupid and repeat your same rhetoric.
Please, go back to WoW or what ever bridge you came out of. The only "Temper Tantrums" here are yours.
And again, Plz Zos, close this thread....The OP is never gonna listen to reason or logic. Thread has run it's course...

Merchant Addons = A tool to see what avg price of sold items
Guilds = A group of people who help and support each other
Guild Trader = A kiosk for groups of people a.k.a. guilds to offer their wares to the whole population(Est. 7/2014)
Chat = A text service provided by the game for players to communicate, help others, offer to buy and sell wares, and share info
Private Sales done from general chat =An agreement between 2 people to buy/ sell a item for a agreed on price

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Stovahkiin · September 2016

Don't worry OP, our best agents will get to the bottom of this illuminati group that keeps selling and buying items for their actual worth!

Tia413 · September 2016

Not gonna waste my time here any longer. He (The OP) don't get it and he never will.

SanTii.92 · September 2016

This guy.. what a piece of art lul

idk · September 2016

SanTii.92 wrote: »

This guy.. what a piece of art lul

I think he is new to the game. I am hoping they create a story line based on all of this. Akin to Stibbons, but different.

Edit, just checked and he has been a member of the forums since September 22. New to the game and forums so we can expect more.

@TL_Gamer

I strongly suggest you find a decent casual to moderate guild. They can help lead you through much of your adventure and ease the pain of getting used to a new game.

bebynnag · September 2016

TL_Gamer wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where I'm going to take a video of what happens in the game and post it to just to show people that everything I explained in this topic does in fact happen whether the people replying see it or not.

I'm sick and tired of the ignorance level of people. The mentality of people is that of "We don't see it, so it doesn't happen" is getting stale

The bottom line here is that these types of prices are absolutely inexcusable in guilds and it's inexcusable for guilds to be saying thing such as that's the going rate. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a motif is being sold for around this much.

I will make a video of me asking to buy this exact motif in chat for about 1500 gold, and watch what happens.

why are you concerning yourself with motifs, you have been playing for a week - go kill a mudcrab!

Khairiah · September 2016

Post is gotta get closed.. Like the other one he made just been.

Tia413 · September 2016

I 30% feel sorry for him because all he is gonna do is make himself a bad reputation and end up where no one wants to game with him. Which could be game breaking for him later on in the game.

But he brought this on himself. He shouldn't be calling people liars, ignorant and such when he just started this game.

Abeille · September 2016

Tia413 wrote: »

I 30% feel sorry for him because all he is gonna do is make himself a bad reputation and end up where no one wants to game with him. Which could be game breaking for him later on in the game.

But he brought this on himself. He shouldn't be calling people liars, ignorant and such when he just started this game.

Especially since I caught him on a lie on the other thread he made (that is now locked).

Tia413 · September 2016

I messaged the Mod who locked the last thread asking for this one to be closed also.

This is not a good way to start out playing this game (as I found out).

You want to make friends, not chase them away.

Because later in the game you need all the help you can get (dungeons, trials and such).

Thevampirenight · September 2016

TL_Gamer wrote: »

I'm not going to be intimidated and bullied into submission just because a large community of price fixing clowns cannot get their way and now realize that they might have their little price fixing incident, disrupted.

Attempting to call me a troll for pointing this out that this is a problem and announcing in game or in this thread that I'm a known troll, and how people place me on ignore, is nothing more than children throwing a temper tantrum. If people think the definition of trolling is pointing out facts, and taking a stand to say enough is enough, then perhaps it's better if you do place me on ignore.

GUILDS HAVE NO BUSINESS DOING GUILD BUSINESS IN CHAT AND FORCING THEIR PRICES INTO A PLACE IT DOES NOT BELONG THROUGH THE USE OF A MERCHANT ADDONS. YOU HAVE A GUILD, SO KEEP YOUR GUILD CRAP OUT OF THE GENERAL CHAT. IF I WANTED GUILD PRICES, I WOULD EITHER JOIN A GUILD, OR BUY FROM A GUILD TRADER...

Until Guild traders are opened up so anyone can use them TO SELL THINGS without having to be in a guild, or merchant addons are barred from this game because of what they're doing (And this thread also proves that), or all guild traders are removed and replaced with a general store everyone can use without any restrictions, I am constantly and profusely going to continue calling attention to the problem guilds have done to this economy through these merchant addons until something is done about it. Don't like it too bad, I don't like everyone attempting to get their way, through bullying and intimidation tactics.

To the uneducated:
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF PRICE FIXING:
Price fixing is establishing the price of a product or service, rather than allowing it to be determined naturally through free-market forces.

Every single place in this entire game has everyone in guilds and that use Merchant addons, cramming guild price into every single section of the entire game including chat which I clearly proved in the video. To deny that means you cannot accept what you're doing.

Merchant Addons = Guild Price
Guilds = Guild Price
Guild Trader = Guild Price
Chat = Guild Price (Watch Video)
Private Sales done from general chat = Guild Price

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Yes Guilds in fact are price fixing.

Addons help prevent price fixing because it makes it harder for them to inflate the economy the way guilds do on consoles. Meaning players can get stuff for cheaper on pc then they would on consoles because of the MM Addons and other market addons that basically make it easier for players. Say for example this is just an example. Kuta on console guilds would be for example like 50k A gold amulet that is very useful would be like 100k while on pc Kuta might cost only 14k and that amulet might only cost 35k. Those Merchant addons do help a lot with keeping prices reasonable for the player base on pc if they were to remove the ability to use them. They would regret doing it. A lot of players might leave the game and also there would be outrage like no tomorrow by most of the pc player base that relies on those addons to being able to buy items they need and want. Also it would be much harder for trade guilds since it would make prices go up because of inflation. Thing is there is no trade channel so basically the economy is based off guilds and not chat. But people will still sell things in chat but they still kinda have to go by guild prices so players will be willing to buy. Its just the way the PC economy works.

Bisenberger96 · September 2016

@TL_Gamer the simple fact of the matter is that ZOS has built this game around guilds setting prices (even then, it's not the guilds that set prices.. It's the players within them). We don't have a world auction house like most mmos, which is one of the things that makes ESO unique. If we did have a world auction house, the situation would be the same. People would check the auction house to see the average price of something, and sell it for close to that amount. You're either a troll king (there's a nice new monster set coming out for you next patch) or a new player who wants the game to be handed to him on a silver platter. Everyone in this game, regardless of their status, has had to work to get to where they are. You are no exception.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · September 2016

Tia413 wrote: »

I messaged the Mod who locked the last thread asking for this one to be closed also.

This is not a good way to start out playing this game (as I found out).

You want to make friends, not chase them away.

Because later in the game you need all the help you can get (dungeons, trials and such).

Thank you! I have named some moderators, but thanks for actually messaging one.. Hope it is locked soon too.

TL_Gamer · September 2016

For the people still trying to say that guilds aren't setting the prices see if you can follow this simply diagram

Guilds set prices and every guild checks every guilds prices. Merchant addons keep track of this.
Guild vendors use the guild prices the guilds set in their guilds, again every guild checks every guilds prices.
Someone in chat tries to sell something of theirs for let say 2k, people take the merchant addon and checks the guild price and plasters it in chat now the person who wants to sell it for 2k can only do so if the guild price is around 2k

So again no one can buy/sell/trade anything in chat without guild prices being involved.

When the only rate being used everywhere (Including places that it doesn't belong) then the guilds are price fixing that is exactly what price fixing is.

To continue trying to say the guilds are not responsible for that problem is complete BS. Because the merchant addons are taking what the guilds prices are and then using the guilds prices in chat and no one buys/sells/trades anything anywhere in the game unless it's the guild price. Trying to sue the excuse of it's not the person's fault for using a guild pricing add on in chat is ignorant. Fact is that the guild prices have being crammed into every place in this entire game which wouldn't be able to happen if there was an actual free market.

Indirectly or not, doesn't change the fact that Guilds are price fixing the prices for everything in the game

XDragonDoomX · September 2016

Tandor wrote: »

TL_Gamer wrote: »

While a lot of people will most likely disprove of some of these issues and will even try and rationalize why they're not issues, and not think they're issues, due to personal reasons or whatever, it does not change the fact that what I'm posting are in fact issues and why they are issues. In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic

I stopped reading at that point. Just write them a letter if you don't want anyone else's views to be taken into account. "General Discussion" involves, you know, discussion.

Hey, the guy has issues.. lots of issues

altemriel · September 2016

TL_Gamer wrote: »

I posted this here because this doesn't really seem to fit into any other place in this forum. If this is not in the correct place, then please move it to where it should go but make sure it remains where it can be read by all...Thank you!

While a lot of people will most likely disprove of some of these issues and will even try and rationalize why they're not issues, and not think they're issues, due to personal reasons or whatever, it does not change the fact that what I'm posting are in fact issues and why they are issues. In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic

Now onto the topic:
I will list the issues and why they are issues, along with a solution to getting them corrected, which should be relatively pretty easy to fix.

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LOOT SCREENS:

THE PROBLEM:
The main reason I bring this up is because of the thieves troves. It was bad enough that people were spawn camping to loot them, which ZoS set the spawn timer to take longer for the trove to spawn again. But the reality is that setting the timer to make the trove take longer to spawn now makes it next to impossible if not impossible for players that have paid for the DLC to be able to get any troves. Since there is no way to know if a player already got a trove and if a player already got the trove before you got there, then you will never see the trove. I have had this game for over a week now and have been tons of places in this game and have every part of the maps on my starting side uncovered, and I have only seen a total of 3 troves (And I should have been able to get every one of them) and it's because of the reasons I just listed.

THE REASON IT IS A PROBLEM:
People bought the DLC, and troves come with the DLC, so therefore they are absolutely entitled to be able to get what they paid for, and in this case they cannot. There is absolutely no point in having something like Thieves troves this in the DLC, and then allowing other players to interfere with another person's content which is exactly what is going on here.

SOLUTION:
Just like how the Skyshards in the game work (meaning you cannot take another person's Skyshard), this type of loot should also work the exact same way. Players need to have their own loot screens when it comes to these things because they paid for it and should be guaranteed to get it

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MERCHANT ADDONS

THE PROBLEM:
Merchant addons have destroyed the entire economy in this game by removing any form of trade interaction between two people, and what people want to be able to sell/buy things fir and replacing it with an invalid system of so called "Price Checking". The price checking system that people have grown accustomed to using, are so brainwashed by it, that there is no reasoning with them even after the problem has been exposed. Furthermore so many people have nothing better to do in the game, that they're actually no longer playing the game, and are instead just hanging around in chat using merchant addons to start these huge arguments about prices in chat by cleverly saying things they know is going to get a reaction out of the people who also have the same problems with merchant addons.Anyone trying to plead ignorant on this and claiming they didn't know it was going to cause a problem, and trying to play innocent by saying all they were doing is quoting a price, are outright lying they full well know it's going to cause a problem and someone shouldn't have to place anyone on ignore for this situation because it isn't even supposed to be going on in the first place.

THE REASON MERCHANT ADDONS ARE A PROBLEM:
The problem runs so deep and intricate, that I actually had to make a video breaking down the entire aspect that people who use the addons cannot understand and or refuse to understand it. Even though this video is very simple to understand, and it's broken down so that the problem is very easy to see, in the end there is no talking to people who use the addon because they will ignore everything I just used to prove there is a problem and where that problem is, and still go to no end to say there is nothing wrong with using merchant addons and just other random nonsense.

HERE IS THE VIDEO (It's as short as I could keep it while keeping all the details):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYyUoYn4gTg

THE SOLUTION:
Ban the use of any merchant addon that can be used to check the so called PRICE on things which is used to interfere with someone's right to trade how they want.

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DUELING:
This is going to be a mess if you let this happen...I'm not sure if you guys are going to even do this but I'll base this part of my replay on that you are. So please keep in mind, that what I'm posting are my own ideas of how this is going to be implemented, and the problems are based off my own ideas.

THE PROBLEM:
Since Cyrodiil was specifically designed for players to be battling each other, so it's ridiculous that you're going to drag that out into the game where it really doesn't belong because you already have an area set up for that. Another annoyance is you will have every little clown who finished the game going up and harassing people with request to duel across their screen and just basically constantly be botherd by people to duel when they're in the middle of something.

THE SOLUTION:
If dueling is going to become a reality, then you need to remove the way PVP is in Cyrodiil completely from the game and just let dueling happen everywhere including Cyrodiil. SO that means a player who wants to ONLY collect the skyshards, can go into Cyrodiil and get them now without being ganked or worried another player is going to interfere with that.

Dueling needs to have a way be turned off if you don't want to be bothered by someone.

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Thank you for your time,

- TL Gamer -

Thieves troves loot:

you can not be more far from the truth, you must be new to this game, the thieves troves respawn time is similar to material nodes respawn time, you either find it and get it, or someone else will get it before you.

But the content of the thieves troves is in no way essential to the game, it is only an addition, you do not need them. so calm down, check out the thieves guild quest and do it, it is pretty good and take the troves as funny additions to the game, not so serious

. the main content of the DLC are not the troves, but the questline, passive skill line, new item sets and a new zone.

Merchant addons

I suppose you mean the Awesome Guild Store addon and Master Merchant addon, you can not be again more farther from the truth here, these addons are one of the best addons in this game, they enable you to search in the guild store and also they show you the average price of that particular item in all your guilds, that you are member of. they do not prevent player interaction, they expand the guild store with awesome new functions!!!

you still can trade items in zone chat, or via direct player interaction "trade with player". but the issue, that you maybe do not know the average price of some item and are trying to sell it to someone for higher price that it is usual, that is your ignorance and you should first check the prices and then sell, you would prevent these problems, that you are describing.

Dueling

dude, really next time check out google, check out at least two articles about your topic, maybe you would spare yourself some salty replies here. Dueling will include an option in the game menu, to auto-decline duels, so in case you do not want to participate, just turn it off and problem solved.

dueling is a thing, that many many people have been requesting for a long time, so we finally are getting it. but in case you do not like it, turn on auto-decline option and there you go.

Tia413 · September 2016

TL_Gamer wrote: »

For the people still trying to say that guilds aren't setting the prices see if you can follow this simply diagram

Guilds set prices and every guild checks every guilds prices. Merchant addons keep track of this.
Guild vendors use the guild prices the guilds set in their guilds, again every guild checks every guilds prices.
Someone in chat tries to sell something of theirs for let say 2k, people take the merchant addon and checks the guild price and plasters it in chat now the person who wants to sell it for 2k can only do so if the guild price is around 2k

So again no one can buy/sell/trade anything in chat without guild prices being involved.

When the only rate being used everywhere (Including places that it doesn't belong) then the guilds are price fixing that is exactly what price fixing is.

To continue trying to say the guilds are not responsible for that problem is complete BS. Because the merchant addons are taking what the guilds prices are and then using the guilds prices in chat and no one buys/sells/trades anything anywhere in the game unless it's the guild price. Trying to sue the excuse of it's not the person's fault for using a guild pricing add on in chat is ignorant. Fact is that the guild prices have being crammed into every place in this entire game which wouldn't be able to happen if there was an actual free market.

Indirectly or not, doesn't change the fact that Guilds are price fixing the prices for everything in the game

Dude, get a grip!

I have MM. I am not told how much nor how little I sell my stuff for by anyone in my guild(s).

I however, am shown a COMBINED AVERAGE price of how much said item is going for within the guilds I am in. And just for the ones I am in.

If I want to sell an Item for 200g when it actually goes for 200,000g that is up to me. No one else!

And it works the same way in the opposite direction. If I want to sell an Item for 200,000g when it actually should only sell for 200g, then that is up to me and ONLY ME once again.

And it doesn't phase me one bit if a bunch of people post up their MM prices in Zone Chat. I will still sell it for what ever price I choose to sell it for.

Enuf said!

XDragonDoomX · September 2016

There is of course an example provided to us from an alternate universe to fall back on....

1. Once you have their money ... never give it back.
3. Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
6. Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.
6. A man is only worth the sum of his possessions. (From Enterprise, episode "Acquisition"; sloppy script-writing, as rule 6 (see above) was already given in DS9)
7. Keep your ears open.
8. Small print leads to large risk.
9. Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
10. Greed is eternal.
13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
16. A deal is a deal ... until a better one comes along.
17. A contract is a contract is a contract (but only between Ferengi).
18. A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.
19. Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
21. Never place friendship above profit.
22. A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
23. Nothing is more important than your health--except for your money.
27. There's nothing more dangerous than an honest businessman.
31. Never make fun of a Ferengi's mother ... insult something he cares about instead.
33. It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
34. War is good for business.
35. Peace is good for business.
40. She can touch your lobes but never your latinum.
41. Profit is its own reward.
44. Never confuse wisdom with luck.
45. Expand, or die.
47. Don't trust a man wearing a better suit than your own.
48. The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
49. Females and finance don't mix.
52. Never ask when you can take.
57. Good customers are as rare as latinum -- treasure them.
58. There is no substitute for success.
59. Free advice is seldom cheap.
60. Keep your lies consistent.
62. The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
65. Win or lose, there's always Hyperian beetle snuff.
75. Home is where the heart is ... but the stars are made of latinum.
76. Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
79. Beware of the Vulcan greed for knowledge.
82. The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
85. Never let the competition know what you're thinking.
89. Ask not what your profits can do for you, but what you can do for your profits.
94. Females and finances don't mix.
97. Enough ... is never enough.
98. Every man has his price. (DS9 season 6, episode 19 - "In the Pale Moonlight")
99. Trust is the biggest liability of all.
102. Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever.
103. Sleep can interfere with profit. (DS9 season 2, episode 7 - "Rules of Acquisition")
104. Faith moves mountains ... of inventory.
106. There is no honour in poverty.
109. Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
111. Treat people in your debt like family ... exploit them.
112. Never have sex with the boss's sister.
113. Always have sex with the boss.
117. You can't free a fish from water.
121. Everything is for sale, even friendship.
123. Even a blind man can recognize the glow of latinum.
125. You can't make a deal if you're dead. (DS9 season 7, episode 8 - "The Siege of AR-558")
139. Wives serve, brothers inherit.
141. Only fools pay retail.
144. There's nothing wrong with charity ... as long as it winds up in your pocket.
162. Even in the worst of times someone turns a profit.
168. Whisper your way to success. (DS9 season 7, episode 9 - "Covenant")
177. Know your enemies ... but do business with them always.
181. Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit.
189. Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.
190. Hear all, trust nothing.
192. Never cheat a Klingon ... unless you're sure you can get away with it.
194. It's always good business to know about new customers before they walk in the door.
202. The justification for profit is profit.
203. New customers are like razortoothed grubworms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they can bite back.
208. Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
211. Employees are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
214. Never begin a negotiation on an empty stomach.
217. You can't free a fish from water.
218. Always know what you're buying.
223. Beware the man who doesn't make time for oo-mox.
229. Latinum lasts longer than lust.
236. You can't buy fate.
239. Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
242. More is good ... all is better.
255. A wife is a luxury ... a smart accountant is a necessity.
261. A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
263. Never allow doubt to tarnish your love of latinum.
266. When in doubt, lie.
284. Deep down everyone's a Ferengi.
285. No good deed ever goes unpunished.
286. [Quark's rule] When Morn leaves, it's all over.

Mysteri0n · September 2016

Sounds like he is one of those noobs that got screwed on a item on zone chat, he saw it on guild for cheap and now he is whining about it, dude making gold in this game is easy, they are a ton of YouTube videos on the subject. I spend maybe a hour a day in game and still net 1 mill a week. ESO is capitalism you have to work for it not a communist economy where stuff is handed to you, if you don't like the game leave. You are choosing to stay and put up with the stuff but do us all a favor in the next game you go into don't come in and only played a week then post like you know more than most of us. This is just a game. Remember you the one that clicked the play button.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · September 2016

Ok. I see the problem.. Your base of mis-information is this..
1). Merchant add-ons DO NOT track guild prices. ( 1st false hood). They track what a item SELLS for, what a PERSON PAID to have it, not the listing. It track how many PEOPLE bought that item, how much they PAID for item and averages a AVERAGE PRICE PEOPLE PAID. Advise, actually learn the mechanics of add-ons before slandering them..
2). " every guild checks every guilds prices." (2nd False hood). I am a GM of a social/trade guild. I am 1st officer in 2 large trade guilds that have been here since early access in march 2014. And I nor my other GM's have ever "checked every guilds prices". Run a guild or join one to see how they actually work before judging a system you have not even experienced.
3). " no one can buy/sell/trade anything in chat without guild prices being involved.
When the only rate being used everywhere (Including places that it doesn't belong) then the guilds are price fixing that is exactly what price fixing is." (3rd false hood[/i]). Any one can buy/sell/trade what ever they want if ANOTHER PERSON wants to do business with you. There is no guild warning or permission needed. You deal with people, not guilds.
There is no 2 economy's in Tamriel. It is ONE market that PEOPLE take part in, whether in chat, kiosks, or wherever. It is "Supply and Demand". Plain and simple. Why can't you see this? You really need to start listening to those who have REALLY TRIED to help you. And because you don't understand how to play or how the game works, that is no reason to slander Zos and other players. All your complaints are solely on your end. That is a fact!

Astanphaeus · September 2016

This is mostly for anyone who is just curious how MM works, it looks like this. When you mouse over an item you get to see a graph of all recent sales in the guilds that you are in. The dots are colored the same as what you gave that guild's chat. It tells you how many sales have been made in that relevant time frame from the guilds you are in, and gives you an average of their price which you can also get by right-clicking the item and selecting a new option that says "stats to chat." Looking at the graph can still be nice though because you can see a pattern of the price increasing or decreasing that the average may not catch (most useful for new motifs). You can also sort of see that here as the price of Rosin has been trending ever so slightly upward.

To be clear, this is based entirely off of sales that have been made in the guilds that you are in. Someone posted the item for these prices, someone then bought the item for these prices. You can use this info to try to undercut other sales or get the most gold for your item that you can. I personally would probably post Rosin for 4150g based on this information.If I were trying to sell in zone, I would then go slightly lower for 4000g.

All a trade guild does is give you a place to post your item you want to sell without having to be present. The guilds aren't saying you need to post this item for this much; it's still market forces setting the price.

altemriel · September 2016

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

' I have had this game for over a week now'

Might I respectfully suggest you play a little longer before decided what changes need to be made?

exactly!!!