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ATTENTION GAME DEVS (Please adjust all of these issues)
TL_Gamer
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I posted this here because this doesn't really seem to fit into any other place in this forum. If this is not in the correct place, then please move it to where it should go but make sure it remains where it can be read by all...Thank you!
While a lot of people will most likely disprove of some of these issues and will even try and rationalize why they're not issues, and not think they're issues, due to personal reasons or whatever, it does not change the fact that what I'm posting are in fact issues and why they are issues. In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic
Now onto the topic:
I will list the issues and why they are issues, along with a solution to getting them corrected, which should be relatively pretty easy to fix.
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LOOT SCREENS:
THE PROBLEM:
The main reason I bring this up is because of the thieves troves. It was bad enough that people were spawn camping to loot them, which ZoS set the spawn timer to take longer for the trove to spawn again. But the reality is that setting the timer to make the trove take longer to spawn now makes it next to impossible if not impossible for players that have paid for the DLC to be able to get any troves. Since there is no way to know if a player already got a trove and if a player already got the trove before you got there, then you will never see the trove. I have had this game for over a week now and have been tons of places in this game and have every part of the maps on my starting side uncovered, and I have only seen a total of 3 troves (And I should have been able to get every one of them) and it's because of the reasons I just listed.
THE REASON IT IS A PROBLEM:
People bought the DLC, and troves come with the DLC, so therefore they are absolutely entitled to be able to get what they paid for, and in this case they cannot. There is absolutely no point in having something like Thieves troves this in the DLC, and then allowing other players to interfere with another person's content which is exactly what is going on here.
SOLUTION:
Just like how the Skyshards in the game work (meaning you cannot take another person's Skyshard), this type of loot should also work the exact same way. Players need to have their own loot screens when it comes to these things because they paid for it and should be guaranteed to get it
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MERCHANT ADDONS
THE PROBLEM:
Merchant addons have destroyed the entire economy in this game by removing any form of trade interaction between two people, and what people want to be able to sell/buy things fir and replacing it with an invalid system of so called "Price Checking". The price checking system that people have grown accustomed to using, are so brainwashed by it, that there is no reasoning with them even after the problem has been exposed. Furthermore so many people have nothing better to do in the game, that they're actually no longer playing the game, and are instead just hanging around in chat using merchant addons to start these huge arguments about prices in chat by cleverly saying things they know is going to get a reaction out of the people who also have the same problems with merchant addons.Anyone trying to plead ignorant on this and claiming they didn't know it was going to cause a problem, and trying to play innocent by saying all they were doing is quoting a price, are outright lying they full well know it's going to cause a problem and someone shouldn't have to place anyone on ignore for this situation because it isn't even supposed to be going on in the first place.
THE REASON MERCHANT ADDONS ARE A PROBLEM:
The problem runs so deep and intricate, that I actually had to make a video breaking down the entire aspect that people who use the addons cannot understand and or refuse to understand it. Even though this video is very simple to understand, and it's broken down so that the problem is very easy to see, in the end there is no talking to people who use the addon because they will ignore everything I just used to prove there is a problem and where that problem is, and still go to no end to say there is nothing wrong with using merchant addons and just other random nonsense.
HERE IS THE VIDEO (It's as short as I could keep it while keeping all the details):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYyUoYn4gTg
THE SOLUTION:
Ban the use of any merchant addon that can be used to check the so called PRICE on things which is used to interfere with someone's right to trade how they want.
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DUELING:
This is going to be a mess if you let this happen...I'm not sure if you guys are going to even do this but I'll base this part of my replay on that you are. So please keep in mind, that what I'm posting are my own ideas of how this is going to be implemented, and the problems are based off my own ideas.
THE PROBLEM:
Since Cyrodiil was specifically designed for players to be battling each other, so it's ridiculous that you're going to drag that out into the game where it really doesn't belong because you already have an area set up for that. Another annoyance is you will have every little clown who finished the game going up and harassing people with request to duel across their screen and just basically constantly be botherd by people to duel when they're in the middle of something.
THE SOLUTION:
If dueling is going to become a reality, then you need to remove the way PVP is in Cyrodiil completely from the game and just let dueling happen everywhere including Cyrodiil. SO that means a player who wants to ONLY collect the skyshards, can go into Cyrodiil and get them now without being ganked or worried another player is going to interfere with that.
Dueling needs to have a way be turned off if you don't want to be bothered by someone.
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Thank you for your time,
- TL Gamer -
While a lot of people will most likely disprove of some of these issues and will even try and rationalize why they're not issues, and not think they're issues, due to personal reasons or whatever, it does not change the fact that what I'm posting are in fact issues and why they are issues. In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic
Now onto the topic:
I will list the issues and why they are issues, along with a solution to getting them corrected, which should be relatively pretty easy to fix.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
LOOT SCREENS:
THE PROBLEM:
The main reason I bring this up is because of the thieves troves. It was bad enough that people were spawn camping to loot them, which ZoS set the spawn timer to take longer for the trove to spawn again. But the reality is that setting the timer to make the trove take longer to spawn now makes it next to impossible if not impossible for players that have paid for the DLC to be able to get any troves. Since there is no way to know if a player already got a trove and if a player already got the trove before you got there, then you will never see the trove. I have had this game for over a week now and have been tons of places in this game and have every part of the maps on my starting side uncovered, and I have only seen a total of 3 troves (And I should have been able to get every one of them) and it's because of the reasons I just listed.
THE REASON IT IS A PROBLEM:
People bought the DLC, and troves come with the DLC, so therefore they are absolutely entitled to be able to get what they paid for, and in this case they cannot. There is absolutely no point in having something like Thieves troves this in the DLC, and then allowing other players to interfere with another person's content which is exactly what is going on here.
SOLUTION:
Just like how the Skyshards in the game work (meaning you cannot take another person's Skyshard), this type of loot should also work the exact same way. Players need to have their own loot screens when it comes to these things because they paid for it and should be guaranteed to get it
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MERCHANT ADDONS
THE PROBLEM:
Merchant addons have destroyed the entire economy in this game by removing any form of trade interaction between two people, and what people want to be able to sell/buy things fir and replacing it with an invalid system of so called "Price Checking". The price checking system that people have grown accustomed to using, are so brainwashed by it, that there is no reasoning with them even after the problem has been exposed. Furthermore so many people have nothing better to do in the game, that they're actually no longer playing the game, and are instead just hanging around in chat using merchant addons to start these huge arguments about prices in chat by cleverly saying things they know is going to get a reaction out of the people who also have the same problems with merchant addons.Anyone trying to plead ignorant on this and claiming they didn't know it was going to cause a problem, and trying to play innocent by saying all they were doing is quoting a price, are outright lying they full well know it's going to cause a problem and someone shouldn't have to place anyone on ignore for this situation because it isn't even supposed to be going on in the first place.
THE REASON MERCHANT ADDONS ARE A PROBLEM:
The problem runs so deep and intricate, that I actually had to make a video breaking down the entire aspect that people who use the addons cannot understand and or refuse to understand it. Even though this video is very simple to understand, and it's broken down so that the problem is very easy to see, in the end there is no talking to people who use the addon because they will ignore everything I just used to prove there is a problem and where that problem is, and still go to no end to say there is nothing wrong with using merchant addons and just other random nonsense.
HERE IS THE VIDEO (It's as short as I could keep it while keeping all the details):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYyUoYn4gTgTHE SOLUTION:
Ban the use of any merchant addon that can be used to check the so called PRICE on things which is used to interfere with someone's right to trade how they want.
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DUELING:
This is going to be a mess if you let this happen...I'm not sure if you guys are going to even do this but I'll base this part of my replay on that you are. So please keep in mind, that what I'm posting are my own ideas of how this is going to be implemented, and the problems are based off my own ideas.
THE PROBLEM:
Since Cyrodiil was specifically designed for players to be battling each other, so it's ridiculous that you're going to drag that out into the game where it really doesn't belong because you already have an area set up for that. Another annoyance is you will have every little clown who finished the game going up and harassing people with request to duel across their screen and just basically constantly be botherd by people to duel when they're in the middle of something.
THE SOLUTION:
If dueling is going to become a reality, then you need to remove the way PVP is in Cyrodiil completely from the game and just let dueling happen everywhere including Cyrodiil. SO that means a player who wants to ONLY collect the skyshards, can go into Cyrodiil and get them now without being ganked or worried another player is going to interfere with that.
Dueling needs to have a way be turned off if you don't want to be bothered by someone.
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Thank you for your time,
- TL Gamer -
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✭Never heard of merchant addons, find troves all the time, auto-decline. Games fine23 -
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✭no idea about the theives troves, its not my style
Guild trading is my style:
Pretty sure PC market is alot more stable and lower prices all round than Xbox and PS4 because of Merchant Addons. Will have to ask some console guys if they like paying more for tempers...
As for dueling:
there will be a check box to refuse all dueling invitations. No need to knee-jerk remove all of cyrodiil PVP
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TL_Gamer✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Never heard of merchant addons, find troves all the time, auto-decline. Games fine
Game is not fine on a lot of places, especially the market.
NO one should even have to set this to decline.2 -
TL_Gamer✭✭As for dueling:
there will be a check box to refuse all dueling invitations. No need to knee-jerk remove all of cyrodiil PVP
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That is totally not relevant and if they're going to allow PVP out of cyrodiil
And Yes there is a need to remove all PVP from Cyrodiil because Cyrodill is the only place in that game that was meant for PVP, so if they're going to allow PVP (Shutting off or not) every place in the game, then it doesn't need to be in cyrodiil.0 -
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✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Never heard of merchant addons, find troves all the time, auto-decline. Games fine
Game is not fine on a lot of places, especially the market.
NO one should even have to set this to decline.
Chill dude, its just a game and auto decline is effectively turning it off for people who want to opt out3 -
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✭NoMoreChillies wrote: »no idea about the theives troves, its not my style
Guild trading is my style:
Pretty sure PC market is alot more stable and lower prices all round than Xbox and PS4 because of Merchant Addons. Will have to ask some console guys if they like paying more for tempers...
As for dueling:
there will be a check box to refuse all dueling invitations. No need to knee-jerk remove all of cyrodiil PVP
The markets are actually quite similar. Most things are just typically half the price on pc as they are on console. It seems more like an overall inflation problem, and it might be rooted in the fact that consoles have a lower supply of goods because the population is smaller. (This is my perspective from my experience.)
Strangely though, some items cost more on PC than they do on console.
I think they're just different markets...
Sure the cost of gold tempers is high, but it can only go so high. If the cost is higher than your willingness to pay, then you go out there and farm them yourself. It's not like any of the markets on ESO are excludible (in the sense that someone having them can prevent you from having them).
That said, I find the whole master merchant dynamic on PC really weird. People don't bother to learn the standard prices of things, and they rely on this addon that can give very different answers based on what traders you are a part of. The text chat is polluted with price checks and people whispering you their 'superior' addon reading of the price. It feels almost robotic... it made me feel like I was playing Master Merchant Online.0 -
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That is totally not relevant and if they're going to allow PVP out of cyrodiilAs for dueling:
there will be a check box to refuse all dueling invitations. No need to knee-jerk remove all of cyrodiil PVP
And Yes there is a need to remove all PVP from Cyrodiil because Cyrodill is the only place in that game that was meant for PVP, so if they're going to allow PVP (Shutting off or not) every place in the game, then it doesn't need to be in cyrodiil.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but you've got to be trolling? Surely?
Duelling is artificial PVP. Nobody is forced into it, you can decline a duel and you can turn on declining in the options. It's not proper PVP like in Cyrodiil, whereby the PVP has objectives. To remove PVP from cyrodiil is not a thing that should happen as that is the PVP zone where the actual PVP happens, backed up by the three way alliance war that is currently happening in that province.
Quite how you connect this with needing to get rid of PVP in Cyrodiil is, quite frankly, a mystery.Sweetrolls for all!
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✭✭✭What bothers me about duelling is the insane amount of requests you'll get when it's first implemented. Some of those declines you'll also be met with a torrent of abuse because some of those people just generally love to grief. I'd like the option to turn it off. It used to be bad enough when in a large city hubs getting trade invites and other nonsense.0 -
Elmour0Fudd✭✭Banker is not included I notice but I think anyone that could get one will have as they are damn useful lol
but never seen the use in the merch. jump to a waystation in a city and you'll find one.
and I normally price guild and private sales on the current shown value in the store i'm selling in ( least it gives you an idea of what people are willing to pay)
general rule in guild store is if it goes in minutes you where too cheap more than 5 days rethink the price and relist.
just a general observation.
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While a lot of people will most likely disprove of some of these issues and will even try and rationalize why they're not issues, and not think they're issues, due to personal reasons or whatever, it does not change the fact that what I'm posting are in fact issues and why they are issues. In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic
I stopped reading at that point. Just write them a letter if you don't want anyone else's views to be taken into account. "General Discussion" involves, you know, discussion.11 -
BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭I have a few comments to your post.
Firstly, while I appreciate you bringing the points forward, as Tandor also says:
While a lot of people will most likely disprove of some of these issues and will even try and rationalize why they're not issues, and not think they're issues, due to personal reasons or whatever, it does not change the fact that what I'm posting are in fact issues and why they are issues. In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic
Just write them a letter if you don't want anyone else's views to be taken into account. "General Discussion" involves, you know, discussion.
My point here is that you stating that these are in fact issues is detrimental to your overall point, which is arguing for why they might be issues.
Secondly, and albeit more importantly:
In regards to your market commentary, I disagree with your main claim (which, again, you state as a fact) that the market has been destroyed by people using merchant addons. I saw your video and there are some flaws to your claim. First, yes, there is an overall "market" in ESO that combines both chat and guild. This of course is an organic composition that makes up all the players in ESO and their interaction with each other. As in real life when people are facing choices for example when buying or selling a product they are always acting on available information.
What has happened with the merchant add-on(s) is that information is more accurate and accessible.
Information that wasn't so readily available before these add-ons is now given to the players (whom again make up the market).
Now, people have a better understanding of what are "fair" prices - i.e. market prices when they are choosing to buy and sell.
This is NOT detrimental to the economy, quite the opposite, it actually makes the market more efficient.
While it is true that it in turn makes it harder for people in chat to charge more than the fair market price, that is not an issue with the economy - that is simply how the market works. It is supply and demand working along with accessible information.
"Guilds have no business dictating the prices".
Dictating =/= being subject to the market forces.
"THE SOLUTION:
Ban the use of any merchant addon [...] which is used to interfere with someone's right to trade how they want."
The addon does not interfere with that. You can still trade however you want, you might just not be able to sell your product at whatever price you want.
If you read my comment you'll find that my arguments are not opinionated.
Note: I am not claiming there are no issues with the ESO economy whatsoever, but that is another discussion entirely.
EDIT: After seeing that OP does not respond to my comment I can only assume that he does not want to confront them since he presents no counter-arguments. Refrain from calling people "uneducated" . We are presenting what are universally accepted as basic economic principles and in turn you are calling people uneducated, trolls or plain wrong for presenting them.Edited by BlackEar on September 24, 2016 3:59PMBjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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Kemono✭✭✭So, TL_Gamer
"merchant addon"
First of all -you are wrong, and spread disinformation.
i am a leader of a (ultra small) guild created in BETA, so no, there was never times "before guilds"
Second of all -its clear that you would like to sell for "whatever i want" price, and by that i think SERIOUSLY overpriced product -even in guilds i constantly see for example carrots, tomatoes etc priced at 250.
Joke is you can buy this at any grocery merchant by 150 (and average price -by addon is 15)
Without a addon market would be 1000% unregulated -its called seller market, and no no one sane (that is not a seller) would like that.
Sure -addon need to go -but ONLY AFTER auction house appears in game.
Then addon would no longer be usefull - cos auction house regulate all price by themself.
Sure -you could still try to sell in chat -but then you would get constant complains in style of "lowest price in auctions are 10, dont make me laugh at you when you calling 100 per piece"
EDIT - my bad guild kiosks are indeed not in the game from the start, but ZENI added them like 3 months after game start, so really fast
LOOT SCREENS:
or instancing thieves troves (and safeboxes) AND possibly loot chests
Yes, this going to be serious problem in One Tamriel.
Yes, there is a solution to this problem - ZOS should instance all troves and safeboxes to players -exactly like all boxes, barrels and wardrobes are instanced right now.
As a debuff for this instaning -thery could prolong respawn timer - for example all troves&safeboxes in a world could respawn every 6 hours (server time), so 4 times a day.
Its WAY better system then what we have now -i know where 90-100% of troves are located in Hews Bane and Golden Coast (btw i use adon to track them ;D ) yet -they 75%+ time never EVER there. in fact to collect trove in there you need to camp the spot, or goes hunting for them in deep night -wheres barely anyone on this map.
Exactly same problem is with safeboxes -in some areas its REALLY hard to find even one, even when i know where are they located.
This is double problem -cos one of thieves Guild dailys are asking to open 3 safeboxes in some requested zone.
in One Tamriel -all of this going to be heavy camped, by simple fact that zone population rise 3x-10 x times
btw 10x times more is not a joke or anything -if i go to my gold zone at evening/night, most of the time theres gona be like 25 folks total in there. in one tamriel those zones going to be full of peaople -lets say 250 per zone (or even more, cos im not sure what is upper limit before zone spli a new instance)
So yes -thieves troves (and safeboxes) should be INSTANCED to playerEdited by Kemono on September 24, 2016 2:59PM2 -
BruceLeeroy91✭✭✭Well trolled OP, well trolled.
Edited by BruceLeeroy91 on September 24, 2016 2:31PM7 -
LaiTash✭✭✭Hey, how about banning map addons that show you trove locations, then? Actually, i run into them every now and then while not actively looking. I guess that's how it's supposed to work, they're wasn't supposed to be farmed.Edited by LaiTash on September 24, 2016 2:56PM3
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Kemono✭✭✭Hey, how about banning map addons that show you trove locations, then? Actually, i run into them every now and then while not actively looking. I guess that's how it's supposed to work, they're wasn't supposed to be farmed.
Main problem with that is:
troves and loot chests are suposed to be "rewards for explorations" that are VERY lacking in TESO anyway - theres a ton of places, some requiring jumping puzzle to reach where there is basicaly - NOTHING -for example entire big mountain in Grahtwood, above Root Sunder Ruin (public dungeon)
Now: how are troves reward for explorations -where they not there?
Sure -you can find a lot of troves in low level areas cos they scale to area (and famers dont want low level loot)
but with One Tamriel -all chest/troves are going to scales to CP160 and/or legendermain skill -so this means that al troves and chest are going to be max level.
its really bad exploration reward -when its not there when players is exploring, no?
At least this one thinks so
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Tia413✭✭✭✭I can see that Dueling may very well become an issue real fast. I forsee lots of people crowded around Wayshrines in Starter and Capital cities, much like they do now. To name a few Wayrest, Daggerfall, Vuhkel Guard, Davon Watch. Causing lots of lag when porting in there.
For Instance, One day I ported into Wayrest and just a few feet away from the Wayshrine was a big group of people in a clump on their mounts making them rear up and Neigh or whatever noise their mount made. It caused me so much lag, I was doing a slow skip down to the Guild Traders. And I have a Gaming Computer which can handle better and more graphical games than ESO.
If that caused me that much problems I can just Imagine (and Dread) what Dueling is gonna cause. I myself will probably try to avoid using Starter and Capital City Wayshrines, unless absolutely necessary.
I know that I myself will be using the Auto Decline feature. Matter of fact it will be set as soon as I enter the game!
And if for some reason it doesn't Work As Intended... well Zos best be prepared to get a lot of Report Player's from me.
Troves,Chests, Etc. I agree those should be Instanced.
Merchant Addons-- I use MM. I am in 3 Trade Guilds and was getting quite a bit of slack about how I had things priced in the Guild Stores. So I broke down and recently installed it. I must say its been quite helpful to this 2 month old newbie
I have been selling things really fast now.
One Issue you did not saying anything about that I can see becoming a problem (and already has) Is.... Farming.
Yesterday In Bal Foyen I saw 1 person who had 3 bots there. I could tell it was the same person because I stopped and moused over the characters that were running a set pattern and they all 3 came up with the same @ name.
I have already begun to see more and more of these popping up the closer we get to One Tam. Why?
Because of the current system Zos has planned for One Tam ( I read this somewhere recently, 75% of mats will be scaled to your level while only 25% of mats will be of a lower level). So already people are seeing it's gonna be an issue getting lower level mats and they are going Mat Crazy before One Tam drops.
Meaning we are also now seeing an increase in Bots through out the game.
I forsee a lot of rage in the forums soon after One Tam drops. And I put a 55% chance on a drop in player base if the issues One Tam is gonna cause are not fixed fast.
Edited by Tia413 on September 24, 2016 3:48PM0 -
TL_Gamer✭✭What's going on in this topic is exactly what happens in the game, people are using merchant addons to purposely cause a problem. So I'm not going to get into a debate with a bunch of trolls who are getting all bent out of shape, due to me pointing out problems with a game they love. I am just going to point out a few additional things based off some of the replies that I knew people were going to leave.
First and foremost to the uneducated:
Sorry Kemono but selling an item in the chat for a guild price (Which is exactly what happens constantly) does not make chat and guild prices the same or close to the same. All that is happening is guilds are using the chat as an additional guild trader by taking guild prices and then using them in chat.
Everything guild related needs to stay out of chat. If you're going to involve the general public with guild prices and information, then there is no point in even having a guild in the first place.
Guilds need to be stopped from bombarding general chat with guild prices, then having people like you Kemono trying to say the guild prices and chat prices are the same after you do that. Merchant addons are for guilds, not general chat so knock off using them to destroy the economy.0 -
Tia413✭✭✭✭What's going on in this topic is exactly what happens in the game, people are using merchant addons to purposely cause a problem. So I'm not going to get into a debate with a bunch of trolls who are getting all bent out of shape, due to me pointing out problems with a game they love. I am just going to point out a few additional things based off some of the replies that I knew people were going to leave.
First and foremost to the uneducated:
Sorry Kemono but selling an item in the chat for a guild price (Which is exactly what happens constantly) does not make chat and guild prices the same or close to the same. All that is happening is guilds are using the chat as an additional guild trader by taking guild prices and then using them in chat.
Everything guild related needs to stay out of chat. If you're going to involve the general public with guild prices and information, then there is no point in even having a guild in the first place.
Guilds need to be stopped from bombarding general chat with guild prices, then having people like you Kemono trying to say the guild prices and chat prices are the same after you do that. Merchant addons are for guilds, not general chat so knock off using them to destroy the economy.
But what about using it when someone in Zone Chat specifically says "Price Check on X item?" (I have never used MM for that yet).
My point above is that some people actually ask for Price Checks and people who have MM are just answering them. I see no problem with that.1 -
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NinjaMyk✭✭✭I am pretty sure I saw the OP chilling under a bridge somewhere harassing the billy goats gruff... Everyone else you know you should not feed trolls.0
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old_mufasa✭✭✭✭Wow.. off all the things the devs need to fix in the game the ops list wouldn't even make the top 1000....
Just seems to be a lot of whining to me.
Trove are all over the world.. maybe explore a little...
Really your whining about price checking.... do please tell me how are you going to stop people from using the good old internet from going to a trade forum and asking?
Dueling.. how is it going to effect you.. you don't have to do it..
They already said that certain areas will be off limits for dueling.. so most likely that's going to be main hubs and towns... So there goes you argument of its going to cause lag at the major trade hubs in city's.1 -
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✭✭✭First off before I respond to this OP, Disclaimer: I have bee on forums for almost 3 years now and have always tried to follow the ToA, but I may walk a fine line on "naming & shaming" here. If I do, I'm sorry moderators. Now, where to start??
First off, you talk about how ESO was at launch.But yet, you talk as if you have just started playing. Were you there? You keep quoting "facts" that are just wrong. Guilds have been a part of ESO since beta. Kiosks were added in first update July2014. There is NO SUCH THING as two markets. You must have missed the standing in Rifton for hours at a time buying and selling in chat. A market is supply and demand. Period. All add-ons do are take "x number of sales in x number of guilds over x number of days and average a price of sales." FYI, I use a similar formula in my RL business....
Guilds do not set or dictate prices. Guilds are just an outlet, players supply and demand set prices. Your talk of a "Chat vs Guild Market" is just silly.
Dueling: Again, if you knew the facts, dueling has been the "Hot Topic" since launch and probably the biggest "Want" for players for 3 years. It's coming. Set in stone. Deal with it. I don't like dueling, but hey, I click "no dueling" in settings, problem solved. Your statement of "remove PvP from Cyrodiil" is ludicrous!. Have you even gone to Cyrodiil? Do you even participate in the Alliance War? I didn't think so.
Treasure Troves: Instanced? Really? Lets instance regular chests then, or lets instance mobs, hell, lets just make ESO "Single Player so you can get all the stuff!!" Advise... get a add-on that shows where they are..They are random rewards, not entitlements.
Now, to address you @TL_Gamer ...You have called us trolls, uneducated, simpletons, etc in this post and referred numerous times that it is the same in chat that people just argue with you and that guilds rule chat markets, (which is just dumb).
Well, to all of you who have responded to the OP, let me enlighten you..I was in game chat with him, and this is how it went..
Tl_gamer was trying to sell something in chat, ppl started posting MM price and commenting. Tl-Gamer proceeded to explain his asinine "guild/chat market theory" for 3 hours. We all in zone tried to explain why he was wrong and try and explain how chat selling works, only to be told how ignorant, blind and simple we were and how every one is wrong and doesnt know anything. I actually had to leave zone it got me so steamed. And I hang in Davons!! Lmao!!
So, now he starts a forum account, just a few days ago, so he can come here and start his trolling and superior attitude and name calling. And still won't listen to discussion or feed back, just like he did in chat. Troll Confirmed.
Note To Zos:- I apologize if I stepped over ToA line. Akotosh forgive me...
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Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on September 24, 2016 5:15PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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snejremllov✭✭✭Well, what do we have here? A carebear who wants everything he doesn't agree with removed from the game.
You think that you're entitled to get loot without any effort just because you paid ZOS some moneys? You think that addons should be removed for your convenience because you don't like how other people trade? You think pvp should be removed in its entirety (lol) if dueling becomes available outside of cyrodiil?
Bad news for you then. ZOS is not going to do *** about any of these "issues".
All your solutions boil down to "make the game easier for me, I hate competition and putting in the necessary effort the game requires from me". If you want your precious cyro skyshards you have to take the risk of being killed. The same applies to IC. You're not entitled to get all the telvar stones just because you paid for it. In fact if I kill you while you farm them you don't even get to complain because that's how the game works.
Also, please don't present your opinions as "facts", which they are not, while disregarding any other opinions people might have. Makes you look like a hypocrite.
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✭You say everything is a fact and no feeling belong here but you are stating all opinions and letting YOUR feelings get the better of you.
The only reason you would not respond to someone addressing counter arguments to your points is if you could not provide a counter back.
How can you expect people to take you seriously if you don't engage in a discussion and just stomp your feet saying you want what you want and everyone else is wrong.
I am on console and would greatly welcome most of the addon that pc has. Luckily on xbox someone has been kind enough to create a price check site that is updated regularly.
As others have pointed out guilds do not set prices the buyers do. People will not sell things for higher than someone will buy.
Sounds like you are upset because you are trying to rip people off by either over charging people or by attempting to buy something under the current market value. The eso economy is closer to rl economy than most games.
Are you actually serious about removing cyrodil? Seems a little farfetched to me. If zos turns auto decline on by default then that argument goes out the window since you said you should not have to turn it off as a reason to why auto declining would not solve this issue.
About your thieves trove logic.
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TL_Gamer✭✭It's gotten to the point where I'm going to take a video of what happens in the game and post it to just to show people that everything I explained in this topic does in fact happen whether the people replying see it or not.
I'm sick and tired of the ignorance level of people. The mentality of people is that of "We don't see it, so it doesn't happen" is getting stale
The bottom line here is that these types of prices are absolutely inexcusable in guilds and it's inexcusable for guilds to be saying thing such as that's the going rate. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a motif is being sold for around this much.
I will make a video of me asking to buy this exact motif in chat for about 1500 gold, and watch what happens.0 -
AnnieBeGood✭✭✭✭' I have had this game for over a week now'
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