The seller is the one who sets a price. You as the consumer can decide whether or not you want to pay. If they set a price to high and no one is willing to buy they will have to lower their price or sit there with an item they can not sell. This would happen even if there were no addons involved.

I can understand not wanting to pay what you think is to high a price but you do have other options if you do not want to pay said price for an item. You can go get it yourself.

Usually there is some component of time difficulty in getting an item to how new/how many are available for sale that comes into play in setting a price. Yes I know there is a lot of pulling prices from the hind quarters of a goat when something is new...but this usually balances out after more become available. Prices for said items usually drop.

This happens in every mmo that has ever had player vendors. Because of the following reason new items demand is high supply is low. Prices come down over time as demand for the item drops. This is due to more and more people that want the item get the item. The demand for it is no longer there to support the high price.

I think the OP raises a good argument regarding merchant add-ons. There is a fine line between convenience and obstruction and these add-ons definitely have a negative impact on markets and player interaction.

Dueling though - for the life of me I don't see why anyone would oppose this feature. Players will have an auto-decline option for those who don't want to participate. Tons of players love PvP and want a safe and easy way to practice - this is going to be such a fantastic addition to the game.

Just how much more full of yourself can you get?
Your condescending, superior attitude does not help your case. Which by the way is still just wrong.

TL_Gamer wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

' I have had this game for over a week now'

Might I respectfully suggest you play a little longer before decided what changes need to be made?

First of all none of you know how long I've played, and secondly how long I've played for isn't even relevant.

As I said I made a video of me asking what people think the price on this item is, and I show exactly what happens

I originally was going to ask to buy it for that but I changed the question to something more suitable.

I will post that video once it's uploaded..as of now it's being coded.

Yes, how long you have played is relevant. You just can't come in here, just playing a month and call those of us who have been in game, helped it grow and supported this great game ignorant, uneducated trolls and then TELL Zos what they need to change just because you feel cheated and entitled.
You don't want to pay 7k for a Dominion Motif, Go PvP and get it. Also, I would love to have been in game for your up-coming video, but you are still on my ignore list. But good luck trying to prove your biased point of view.

TL_Gamer wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where I'm going to take a video of what happens in the game and post it to just to show people that everything I explained in this topic does in fact happen whether the people replying see it or not.

I'm sick and tired of the ignorance level of people. The mentality of people is that of "We don't see it, so it doesn't happen" is getting stale


The bottom line here is that these types of prices are absolutely inexcusable in guilds and it's inexcusable for guilds to be saying thing such as that's the going rate. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a motif is being sold for around this much.



I will make a video of me asking to buy this exact motif in chat for about 1500 gold, and watch what happens.

It is important to note that those things are not selling for that much. At least, not yet.

The ones that sold, and are reflected in the Master Merchant average price for that guild, are not in that screen cap.

Got something for you OP

TL_Gamer wrote: »

-snip-In short, personal opinion, feelings and opinionated thinking isn't relevant to this topic-snip-

By your own words, pretty much the entire OP isn't relevenant to this topic...

TL_Gamer wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where I'm going to take a video of what happens in the game and post it to just to show people that everything I explained in this topic does in fact happen whether the people replying see it or not.

I'm sick and tired of the ignorance level of people. The mentality of people is that of "We don't see it, so it doesn't happen" is getting stale


The bottom line here is that these types of prices are absolutely inexcusable in guilds and it's inexcusable for guilds to be saying thing such as that's the going rate. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a motif is being sold for around this much.



I will make a video of me asking to buy this exact motif in chat for about 1500 gold, and watch what happens.

Omg I love this.

"I dont wanna pay the price so its inexcusable someone is selling it for this much."

Sorry people don't give you stuff.

INEXCUSABLE.

I also like the part were you said your opinions are indisputable facts lol.

I agrre thieves troves should be instanced. The rest is just so far beyond nonsense.

Man, you're more stressed than me

First:

Thieves Troves are 90% of time full of junk. The only annoyance of not being able to find them all the time is delay the achievement associated to get them, but even so, eventually, you'll get it. My tip, go to the Gold zone of your Alliance and search for them in farthest location your can imagine and in the most unusual places possible.

Second:

Although I agree that MM or TTC prevents chat sells to be done the way the seller thinks fair, I don't think that banning them is the solution.

There are a lot of players that farm trials and know exactly how hard an item, with the right trait, is to come by. But the vast majority don't know, don't care and simply wants that item to keep playing. MM / TTC help those not being cheated with an stratospheric price that is not right for the rarity of the item.

The solution here is ZOS extend their addon API to provide access to ALL transactions, through guilds AND through direct trade (when both users confirm the transaction). Of course, the data will be collected only if one of the parts have MM / TTC installed in that moment, but at least this issue will be drastically reduced.

But seems that ZOS is too much focused on uselessness like more hairstyles, more tattos, costume dyeing and etc. So this might not be implemented soon.

Third:

- You'll have auto-decline option, so this is not an excuse.
- Duels might be a good way to test PvP builds without going to PvP
- Duels will, indirectly, provide a way for many get the Alliance Gladiator achievement (kill enemy players inside Imperial City Arena)
- Although not confirmed, Duels may ease out achievements like Kill X Sorcerers, Kill X Bosmers, Five under Five and etc.

Sounds to me like you just have something against an educated buyer or seller. I have seen people offer something worthless in zone chat for all kinds of gold and often they are rightly called on it. A really high price is often followed by a 'you can get one for half that at a guild vendor' comment. I have also seen people offer up something rare for very little gold. There is of course the several quick offers to buy and usually the one decent person who tells them hey hold on to that it is worth a whole lot more. The add ons make it so more people know what a fair price is so there is less a chance someone gets taken advantage of.
Even without the add ons there would still be people in the game that know what a fair price is because they had recently searched the guild vendors looking. They won't be as prevalent though so greater chance some $^%# running a scam has a better chance of getting away with it.
Some items cost more in zone chat than they do in guild stores simply because they are hard to find and it takes a lot of time going from vendor to vendor. The convenience of having one right there is worth the extra price. Then there are the more common items that can be bought almost anywhere. Those items are usually less than what you find in the guild stores but the seller is okay with that because it means getting rid of the items right now instead of maybe not selling them at all. All the add ons do is make it so more people have a better idea what they should be selling/paying for items. Doesn't mean they have to use those prices just lets them know where the market is at.

Hans4n6 wrote: »

TL_Gamer wrote: »

It's gotten to the point where I'm going to take a video of what happens in the game and post it to just to show people that everything I explained in this topic does in fact happen whether the people replying see it or not.

I'm sick and tired of the ignorance level of people. The mentality of people is that of "We don't see it, so it doesn't happen" is getting stale


The bottom line here is that these types of prices are absolutely inexcusable in guilds and it's inexcusable for guilds to be saying thing such as that's the going rate. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a motif is being sold for around this much.



I will make a video of me asking to buy this exact motif in chat for about 1500 gold, and watch what happens.

Omg I love this.

"I dont wanna pay the price so its inexcusable someone is selling it for this much."

Sorry people don't give you stuff.

INEXCUSABLE.

I also like the part were you said your opinions are indisputable facts lol.

I agrre thieves troves should be instanced. The rest is just so far beyond nonsense.

Hans the OP is butthurt about free market economy, he wants to complain about it:)

To OP:
Guild price fixing is BS. You know that motif for 7200? Or that necropotence ring that I sold for 450k the first week AA was out? Guess what no one told me to list them at those prices, I just did. I did it because I know stone would buy it. MM is a useful tool and is a must stay addon that allows players know the value of things. Just cause you can't afford a Mercedes, doesn't mean it's unfairly priced;)

TL_Gamer wrote: »

To the trolls arguing and saying that guilds do not set the prices,

This video proves they are. What I show happening in this video happens everywhere in the entire game with every item every single time. So to say Guilds aren't setting prices means you're either lying, ignorant, trolling, or all of that.

Here is the video proof that guilds are setting prices


I'm done talking about this any further. The devs needs to adjust this crap shown in this video so it cannot happen anymore:

AS I said I used the motif in the above screenshot in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5MbZvPtccg

People cannot deny the facts in this video that Guilds have destroyed the economy through the use or merchant addons and devs need to put a stop to it by abolishing the use of al merchant addons, allow everyone to use the Guild Traders without having to be ina guild to use them, or simply remove all the guild traders and replace them with a general store anyone can use...exactly like wow has.

This situation is ridiculous!

Dude I've gone around MM prices many mnay many times in eso. Sorry you broke.

Back when light of cryodiil rings were 100k a pop... i went to cryodiil and said

"Hey I'm willing to buy a ring for 50k." Someone sold it to me... I ignored the people who linked me mms and found a seller at the price I wanted. Like idk what to say besides sorry people linking you suggested prices pisses you off so much!

Also no one is arguing that people dont link MM likr you are saying. No one is arguing this doesnt happen... we are arguing its not an issue and you are taking super inflatory and noob stances on these issues.

You have a week invested in the game... not a big loss to just move along because the rest of us like how we have been conducting business!

TL_Gamer wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

To OP:
Guild price fixing is BS

It is huh, I just showed guild price fixing is exactly what guilds are doing through the use of these addons in that video.


If you're going to say Guild price fixing is BS after I just posted a video showing it's not BS then I'll tell you what from now on all guilds need to stop posting any guild prices in chat, theyn need to stop using MM in chat, they need to stop saying the going rate is, or anything else guild related.

Sorry you broke, but the system isnt;) GL trying to undermine free market, you won't succeed...troll

Bisenberger96 wrote: »

I have a solution.. Make money so you can buy the things you want for the prices people are selling. Get in a guild and sell stuff for the same price. BECOME ONE WITH THE SYSTEM

Oh no how could he do that? Nope nope nope, I guess the entire system is just gonna have to change just for him.

#Oh well you win OP

/sarcasm bro