You can't help idiots wanting a carry (the fact that they needed replacements for the last boss of Selenes is worrying), what should be changed is getting a 15 minute timer. We had people abuse the system before, but now it just gets used to troll and punish others.

I'm with you, OP. Either the timer needs to go, or leaving a group is the only way to get the penalty.

I would agree with only getting the timer if you choose to leave/abandon.
It gives you 15 minutes to fix your armour, and cool down (emotionally) after dealing with Tanks who don't tank or DPS who rush in before the Tank/Don't kill adds.

Another pet peeve are the groups who disband before you even have a chance to respond.

Don't punish us because the leader decided to log off just as we got a group!

Daraxina wrote: »

I would agree with only getting the timer if you choose to leave/abandon.
It gives you 15 minutes to fix your armour, and cool down (emotionally) after dealing with Tanks who don't tank or DPS who rush in before the Tank/Don't kill adds.

Another pet peeve are the groups who disband before you even have a chance to respond.

Don't punish us because the leader decided to log off just as we got a group!

Exactly. The timer is punishing the wrong group of people at the moment.

MasterPerceval wrote: »

I know this comment is beside your point, but: why not ask for a group in zone-chat instead of using the grouping tool? As a healer especially you should have no problem finding a group within acceptable time this way.

For a pledge this is fine, but you need to queue to get the huge XP daily reward or the soul gems/gear associated with it.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

MasterPerceval wrote: »

I know this comment is beside your point, but: why not ask for a group in zone-chat instead of using the grouping tool? As a healer especially you should have no problem finding a group within acceptable time this way.

For a pledge this is fine, but you need to queue to get the huge XP daily reward or the soul gems/gear associated with it.

Yes, I do daily random dungeons every day. I always search for groups in zone chat for this (I am DD). What I always do is post something like: 'LF3M DD, Heal, Tank random normal/vet' instead of 'DD LFG random dungeon'. For some reason it works much quicker when you initiate the group. I usually have a group set up within 10 minutes and then it's a simple click of a button to queue us up and travel there. During work days this is especially useful, cause it allows me to cram a silver pledge, random dungeon and two daily zone quests into 1,5 hours.
Just my experience regarding finding groups and the time it takes. I rarely use the group finder tool, so I might be poorly informed about that topic.

mobicera wrote: »

It's honestly a little sad that people are trying to kick people without giving them a chance, I find most people are more than capable of doing dungeons even in the "dreaded" pug groups. The only problem I ever encounter and would ever kick someone for is a false role que where that role is actually needed in a pug.
(Not to say I don't like 4dd dungeon runs but preform those don't use dungeon finder...)

Very true. I ran white gold this morning on my healer after three failed attempts with random high cp people yesterday, once because of people that kept disconnecting at Molag Kena and twice with a dps that didn't know what to do and messed up during the inhibitor and not communicating either or blaming each other so groups kept falling apart.

This morning I decided to give it another go before the new pledge and got in a group with a 180cp tank and a 170cp dps (who was wearing full heavy armor with dual wield + destro and almost all points into stam, talk about a bad setup...) and a 500cp dps. I asked them if they knew what to do and they said yes, we got to the inhibitor and we fail because it cp170 dps didn't know what to do, but even though he didn't know, he at least was taking advice. Unfortunately it wasn't easy on them, with their dps coming mostly from one of them, so we wiped a few times (kept getting closer though) which made high level cp guy who didn't communicate leave. Then we got a good dps in return, running all the way to us, not blaming anyone for mistakes and able to have a laugh. We get through first time with him.

So out of all the runs, only the one with the "worst" possible combination and lowest total CP actually completed it because everyone was patient and working together. Got a Kena divines helm which I already had so gave it to the guy with the hybrid build, hoping it will inspire him to get his build sorted.

The forum community asked for the timer and they got what they wanted, i blame the forum community for this not zos.

I should not get punished for leaving a group or getting kicked, i also hate playing with low levels who play hard vet dungeons like vWGT vICP etc. i simply tell them this is a hard dungeon and i need experienced players, i then kick them and give them 5k gold but they should not be punished.

@BruhItsOver9000
I didn't know the forum community asked for the timer...but I do find it insane if true.
Why would people ask for something that would penalise them in the future?

I do like that you say/type that it's a hard dungeon before you kick, BruItsover9000!
Being kicked without warning is rude and leaves people questioning why.

Especially - is it Imperial Prison? Yeah, I'm good at lock picking, I never force locks, but under that kind of pressure while trying to heal at the same time...maddening! I'm pointing points into Force Lock for when I get in there again.
(Also, need fire resist.)

(We've found it useful to number the cages - "I'm in 2 - on the left!"
and I'll heal while they pick the lock.

Communication is the key, folks!

@andreasv
Ah, I can see how that would be annoying; people jumping groups.
That's why I think we should only have a cool down period if we choose to leave a group, not for getting kicked.

Of course, I can see the other side of it too, if they take away the waiting time - it means that people who are kicked for being rude or obnoxious get to do it all over to another group asap...