Is it true about the Lich Rings?

Special_Bradley · September 2016

Thanks for letting me know that they exist and you amazing feedback. I'll have to accept that they are going to be in the game. Hey I might even use them myself

iRogue32 · September 2016

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

RoyJade · September 2016

They exist, and drop against Ilambris twin (CoH I) and Nerieneth (CoH II).
It won't be unfair, you already have a lot of resource management in this game.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · September 2016

how about going 5x Lich and 5x Warlock and you will have resources coming out of your ...

Toast_STS · September 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

how about going 5x Lich and 5x Warlock and you will have resources coming out of your ...

I'm enjoying 5 amberplasm and 5 willows path on my healer right now. Looking forward to add those new monster sets with the 1 piece magicka regen bonus.

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

how about going 5x Lich and 5x Warlock and you will have resources coming out of your ...

And you will do very little damage.

Lord_Hev · September 2016

Talk to me about unfair, when they nerf Redguard free sustain passive while being able to only run 800 stam regen and never run out of stamina.

Even with lich, if you spec -fully- into damage, you will run out of magic in critical moments.

ssewallb14_ESO · September 2016

Lich backbar with willpower and a 5-piece will probably still be a better setup in most cases.

Regardless you will still have better everything on any stam build.

Lord_Eomer · September 2016

5 amberplasm is already very strong and sustain, i do not think lich rings as an issue..

Special_Bradley · September 2016

Thanks anyway for all your feed back, I guess that is true about the Warlock set. I'll have to just keep calm with this Magicka change

NBrookus · September 2016

Lich dropping in all pieces interests me only because of the possibility to run Lich with a monster piece or set and Maelstrom destro. Don't know that I would make the switch, but a least it opens up some build options.

LrdRahvin · September 2016

iRogue32 wrote: »

Warnock

What's a Warnock?

Is it a cross between a warthog and a mynock?

leepalmer95 · September 2016

I think a 5x lich/ 5x kags and that mortar set would be cool on a sorc

Lord_Eomer · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I think a 5x lich/ 5x kags and that mortar set would be cool on a sorc

Derra · September 2016

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I think a 5x lich/ 5x kags and that mortar set would be cool on a sorc

Mortar set is nerf and now hitting only players or monster not in combat with you..

Funny change!

You mean it's not hitting players or monster not in combat with you? xD

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Derra wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?

Asardes · September 2016

I will try a 5 x Amberplasm + 5 x SPC on my healer. Critical chance looks a bit low though, only ~45% or so.

Lord_Eomer · September 2016

Asardes wrote: »

I will try a 5 x Amberplasm + 5 x SPC on my healer. Critical chance looks a bit low though, only ~45% or so.

Running Seducer + Amberplasm (recovery rings), i got total of around 4000 recovery.

My heals never ends...

Gonna change mundus from Magicka recovery to critical chance for more critical heal.

My current critical is 55%

Lord_Eomer · September 2016

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Derra · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?

Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.

Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.

Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.

Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.

Torbschka · September 2016

Does it also drop in all weapons, sword and board?

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Derra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?

Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.

Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.

Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.

Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.

Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.

Derra · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?

Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.

Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.

Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.

Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.

Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.

That´s true for warlock aswell :P

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Derra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?

Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.

Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.

Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.

Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.

Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.

That´s true for warlock aswell :P

I feel warlock would work better on a heavy armour magicka build, may as well put those regen passives to use if i'm wearing light.

Derra · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.

Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.

How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?

Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.

Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.

Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.

Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.

Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.

That´s true for warlock aswell :P

I feel warlock would work better on a heavy armour magicka build, may as well put those regen passives to use if i'm wearing light.

Well even without any regen passive lich outperforms warlock if you live for the proccs duration. Warlock is meh imo.

Asardes · September 2016

Recovery has diminishing returns. IMO 2K is more than enough and stacking seducer's and amberplasm is overkill. You can sustain with less than 1.5K if you do heavy attacks with restoration staff from time to time. Not so for spell damage and spell critical as those scale up your damage (including healing power) forever. Your burst heal can crit, and both bursts and HoT will tick stronger with higher spell damage so you will have to burst heal less frequently. In case of SPC stronger heals means that it will proc more frequently and indirectly sustain group damage. And of course in 4 man content it's always better that the healer contributes to the group damage directly. If he's Templar solar prison and of course radiant oppression; maybe some class and destruction staff skills (besides elemental drain) too.

Derra · September 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Recovery has diminishing returns. IMO 2K is more than enough and stacking seducer's and amberplasm is overkill. You can sustain with less than 1.5K if you do heavy attacks with restoration staff from time to time. Not so for spell damage and spell critical as those scale up your damage (including healing power) forever. Your burst heal can crit, and both bursts and HoT will tick stronger with higher spell damage so you will have to burst heal less frequently. In case of SPC stronger heals means that it will proc more frequently and indirectly sustain group damage. And of course in 4 man content it's always better that the healer contributes to the group damage directly. If he's Templar solar prison and of course radiant oppression; maybe some class and destruction staff skills (besides elemental drain) too.

Recovery has diminishing returns? What?

Only if you´re recovering more than you can spend. With alteration + amberplasm i still find my magica dropping and need potions to sustain.
For pvp that is.

Torbschka · September 2016

Does it also drop in all weapon types (sword and board) ?

mdylan2013 · September 2016

does the Lich come in sword and board now?

luen79rwb17_ESO · September 2016

I think I'll setup a 5 seducer 5 lich for my Breton templar healer. That BoL spam is gonna be real