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Is it true about the Lich Rings?
Special_Bradley
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Thanks for letting me know that they exist and you amazing feedback. I'll have to accept that they are going to be in the game. Hey I might even use them myself 
Edited by Special_Bradley on September 21, 2016 7:02AM Ebonheart Loyalist - Xbox One EU
High Elf Magicka Sorcerer - Yeldarb The White
High Elf Magicka Templar - Selena Moretz
Nord Magicka Templar - Defencive Statue
Argonian Magicka Templar - Julacules
Dark Elf Magicka Dragon Knight - Yeld The Fire Lord
Breton Magicka Night Blade - Chloe Gomez
High Elf Magicka Sorcerer - Yeldarb The White
High Elf Magicka Templar - Selena Moretz
Nord Magicka Templar - Defencive Statue
Argonian Magicka Templar - Julacules
Dark Elf Magicka Dragon Knight - Yeld The Fire Lord
Breton Magicka Night Blade - Chloe Gomez
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iRogue32✭✭✭Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.Epic Synergy (rip)
Order of Mundus (rip)
Crown Store Heroes (rip)3 -
RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭They exist, and drop against Ilambris twin (CoH I) and Nerieneth (CoH II).
It won't be unfair, you already have a lot of resource management in this game.3 -
stevepdodson_ESO888✭✭✭✭✭
✭how about going 5x Lich and 5x Warlock and you will have resources coming out of your ...1 -
Toast_STS✭✭✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »how about going 5x Lich and 5x Warlock and you will have resources coming out of your ...
I'm enjoying 5 amberplasm and 5 willows path on my healer right now. Looking forward to add those new monster sets with the 1 piece magicka regen bonus.VR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps0 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »how about going 5x Lich and 5x Warlock and you will have resources coming out of your ...
And you will do very little damage.PC/EU DC5 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Talk to me about unfair, when they nerf Redguard free sustain passive while being able to only run 800 stam regen and never run out of stamina.
Even with lich, if you spec -fully- into damage, you will run out of magic in critical moments.0 -
ssewallb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lich backbar with willpower and a 5-piece will probably still be a better setup in most cases.
Regardless you will still have better everything on any stam build.1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭5 amberplasm is already very strong and sustain, i do not think lich rings as an issue..0 -
Special_Bradley✭✭✭Thanks anyway for all your feed back, I guess that is true about the Warlock set. I'll have to just keep calm with this Magicka change Ebonheart Loyalist - Xbox One EU
High Elf Magicka Sorcerer - Yeldarb The White
High Elf Magicka Templar - Selena Moretz
Nord Magicka Templar - Defencive Statue
Argonian Magicka Templar - Julacules
Dark Elf Magicka Dragon Knight - Yeld The Fire Lord
Breton Magicka Night Blade - Chloe Gomez0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lich dropping in all pieces interests me only because of the possibility to run Lich with a monster piece or set and Maelstrom destro. Don't know that I would make the switch, but a least it opens up some build options.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think a 5x lich/ 5x kags and that mortar set would be cool on a sorc
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »I think a 5x lich/ 5x kags and that mortar set would be cool on a sorc
Edited by Lord_Eomer on September 22, 2016 7:16AM0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes they exist and no they will not be unfair. Warnock rings do the exact same thing and they have existed for a long time.
Warlock is a lot worse than lich. However amberplasm beats both.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »I think a 5x lich/ 5x kags and that mortar set would be cool on a sorc
Mortar set is nerf and now hitting only players or monster not in combat with you..
Funny change!
You mean it's not hitting players or monster not in combat with you? xDPS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
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How good is amberplasm, you can sustain with it on a sorc?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I will try a 5 x Amberplasm + 5 x SPC on my healer. Critical chance looks a bit low though, only ~45% or so.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor
PC-EU CP 3000+
41,000+ Achievement Points before High IsleMember of:
Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
Valinor Overflow: Trader
The Traveling Merchant: Silver
Characters:
Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |
PC-NA CP 1800+
30,000+ Achievement Points before High IsleMember of:
Savage Blade: Majestic Machette
Characters:
Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I will try a 5 x Amberplasm + 5 x SPC on my healer. Critical chance looks a bit low though, only ~45% or so.
Running Seducer + Amberplasm (recovery rings), i got total of around 4000 recovery.
My heals never ends...
Gonna change mundus from Magicka recovery to critical chance for more critical heal.
My current critical is 55%Edited by Lord_Eomer on September 22, 2016 7:13AM1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.
Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.
Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.
Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 500 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.
Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.
Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.
Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.
Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.
Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.
Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.
Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.
Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.
That´s true for warlock aswell :P<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 500 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.
Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.
Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.
Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.
Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.
That´s true for warlock aswell :P
I feel warlock would work better on a heavy armour magicka build, may as well put those regen passives to use if i'm wearing light.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Well if you´re looking at pure magica sustain warlock provides ~5000 magica more per minute than amberplasm can. This is completely ignoring the stamina recovery and ignoring the crit + spelldmg bonus.
Seducer beats warlock when casting more than 40 spells per minute at an average basecost of 2500.
Lich provides atleast 2000 magica more (without any recovery bonuses) than warlock per minute. In a practical scenario in light armor lich should provide atleast 16000 magica per proc.
Only amberplasm surely won´t be enough to sustain on a sorc (even though that depends heavily on playstyle and usage of heavy attacks). I use amberplasm + alteration mastery currently.
Plus lich is a proc set, i can use 4 on my main bar and just use resto for my 5th piece letting me use a monster set and a 5 piece set.
That´s true for warlock aswell :P
I feel warlock would work better on a heavy armour magicka build, may as well put those regen passives to use if i'm wearing light.
Well even without any regen passive lich outperforms warlock if you live for the proccs duration. Warlock is meh imo.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 500 -
Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Recovery has diminishing returns. IMO 2K is more than enough and stacking seducer's and amberplasm is overkill. You can sustain with less than 1.5K if you do heavy attacks with restoration staff from time to time. Not so for spell damage and spell critical as those scale up your damage (including healing power) forever. Your burst heal can crit, and both bursts and HoT will tick stronger with higher spell damage so you will have to burst heal less frequently. In case of SPC stronger heals means that it will proc more frequently and indirectly sustain group damage. And of course in 4 man content it's always better that the healer contributes to the group damage directly. If he's Templar solar prison and of course radiant oppression; maybe some class and destruction staff skills (besides elemental drain) too.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor
PC-EU CP 3000+
41,000+ Achievement Points before High IsleMember of:
Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
Valinor Overflow: Trader
The Traveling Merchant: Silver
Characters:
Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |
PC-NA CP 1800+
30,000+ Achievement Points before High IsleMember of:
Savage Blade: Majestic Machette
Characters:
Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Recovery has diminishing returns. IMO 2K is more than enough and stacking seducer's and amberplasm is overkill. You can sustain with less than 1.5K if you do heavy attacks with restoration staff from time to time. Not so for spell damage and spell critical as those scale up your damage (including healing power) forever. Your burst heal can crit, and both bursts and HoT will tick stronger with higher spell damage so you will have to burst heal less frequently. In case of SPC stronger heals means that it will proc more frequently and indirectly sustain group damage. And of course in 4 man content it's always better that the healer contributes to the group damage directly. If he's Templar solar prison and of course radiant oppression; maybe some class and destruction staff skills (besides elemental drain) too.
Recovery has diminishing returns? What?
Only if you´re recovering more than you can spend. With alteration + amberplasm i still find my magica dropping and need potions to sustain.
For pvp that is.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 500 -
mdylan2013✭✭✭✭✭does the Lich come in sword and board now?PS4/EU
CP-1300+
PSN - LookoutLuke
15 Max level toons
PVE/PVP0 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think I'll setup a 5 seducer 5 lich for my Breton templar healer. That BoL spam is gonna be real
PC/DC/NAserver
V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk0
