There is a limit to how good a low level character can be which is dictated by:
- unlocked skills and passives - some of the really good ones like executes are unlocked when the skill line is at 30-40 and the experience needed to reach there will put your char at a similar level.
- gear quality - nobody's gonna bother crafting purple gear for his low level alt that it will outlevel it in a few hours of normal gameplay; most people craft green or purple training gear every 5-10 levels.
- actual knowledge of the respective build - few if any players do a new character and replicate another one which they have played a lot (ex. if I already have a stamina NB I won't roll another stamina NB with the same skill rotation).

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Yep.... i'm getting pretty tired of getting in a group only to have it disbanded by the A-hole leader... then everyone gets the 15 min penalty.
Happened twice last night to me in a row... then every other day i get grouped with 5 people so someone has to leave and gets screwed by the penalty again.

please fix this.

You picked normal mode. You will get everyone from every level. Just put it on Vet and find higher level players. Or get some friends or a guild.

I mean you are 531+ CP. Why didnt you just blast through normal mode? .

Maybe in your case that level 10 was a new player, but I wouldn't always assume no level 10 would be able to effectively finish RoM on normal, nor that player would be useless, since they can actually be experienced players leveling alts.

I actually found myself in that situation a few weeks ago, my bf and me were queuing on our baby level 10 alts and got placed in RoM with a level 30ish dps and a level 40+ healer and we did it just fine, I think we only had one wipe in the whole dungeon at the spice boss. We were both level 10, but behind those characters there were like 480CP+ and the experience we had earned through our time playing.

Dungeons already scale - or more accurately players that are not CP160 are scaled to that value - since the group finder was introduced almost a year ago.

altemriel wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Actually i had few similar things happen to me , i don't mind running with low lv pugs but recently in finder i got lv 12 ( not as bad as lv 10 but still) lv 24 lv 32 and 45 ect ... and yhea ....

>>we need to have ability to place the cp range in finder<<

This will only lead to even more elitism I imagine.

I do not get this issue that you are talking about, I also was looking for group members lately, I wrote "LF2M......min cp300"

and one guy started sending me angry replies, that why that, that because of me even lesser people will play this game, etc...


this is non-sense....what is so bad on high level players wanting to group with people of equal or similar level???

Low levels play with low levels, higher levels play with higher levels....that is normal in my opinion....and I do not see any problem with that!!

That's how it is in almost every game. High levels band together because they don't want to play with lower levels generally. I mean on occasion helping people learn a dungeon or something along those lines no problem I don't mind playing with lower levels. Like I was fishing in Reapers March and there was a few lvl 20s there wanting to grind. They were looking for more people to help grind with them. So I followed them to heal for them just because I was bored of fishing. I stayed with them for about an hour healing them till I got bored and they were able to stay alive without my heals. But I wouldn't do that on a regular basis. I'd rather be grouped up with people 250+ CP grinding or doing a dungeon or even IC PVP.

A lot of people call it elitist but its just natural to want to play with people of similar skill level. That way there isn't a large experience gap and no one person is pulling anyone through a dungeon or grinding or even pvp. Most people enjoy when a dungeon or pvp run goes smoothly because everyone is on the same level of experience and can coordinate better than those who cant. I don't think that is elitist. Elitist is simply this, you must be x level with x cp and wear one of x y or z set combination with x trait and maelstrom weps with x trait. That is elitism not wanting to play with people just below a certain cp isn't elitism.

rerosecb16_ESO wrote: »

Why oh why, that is now 4 times in a row when some d1ck of a crown has disbanded the group as soon as it forms, 15 min wait time every time is unfair for the guys willing to give it a go.

I have run a lot of dungeons with low level characters who are more than capable in their role, sometimes a lot better than the random 531 players. Some players just can't fathom or adjust for low level players and everyone receives the penalty!!

Disband should be removed from the gp option list you should only be able to hand the crown over to the next player, leaving gp as the crown does that now, so why not extend it to prevent the wait times.

Actually, I think the disband message is the bug. We queued with three people for group finder last week. It paired us with another group of three, but kicked our third person, leaving us a group of five. The person who was kicked by group finder was given the error message saying that I had disbanded the group.

So it's likely group finder, not the group leader, kicking you out.


Regarding groups themselves, I was PUGing random dungeons on my level 16 tank this weekend for the XP bonus. Only group I ever had difficulty with had two DPS without AoEs and a healer who periodically cast BoL but otherwise stayed uninvolved (I ended up doing most of the DPS on the spider miniboss with the adds, whittling them down until finally try 5 we didn't wipe). Aside from my lvl 16 tank, the lowest level in that dungeon was CP120. I was the only one resurrecting people, too. Level isn't a good judge of potential success.

Another example, my healer (my main) carried a group through normal White Gold Tower. I taught the CP80 tank what a taunt was, and taught the level 14 why food was important. It was a bit tricky, but they listened, and our tank even did a perfect job at the Planar Inhibitor fight first try (no wipes).
I only mention this group in this thread because for the first half of the dungeon I got to listen to "I don't think he's high enough level to do this" complaints... From the level 14 (no CP) DPS regarding the level 45 DPS. The 45 clearly knew what he was doing, so this was the level 14's insecurity and attempts to offload the blame for a few party wipes. And that's all I think this "elitism" attitude is. Insecurity.

I am very picky about the groups I will use for running certain dungeons (mainly at veteran level, but also when still learning mechanics). The rest of the time, for the rest of the dungeons, it does not really matter to me at all. I have the confidence to carry a trying group, and I have no problems leaving a group of jerks. But if I am insecure about my abilities in a particular dungeon? I will be a bit "elitist" about it, yes.