Aint that why you join guilds? To state the obv its much faster to get the gear you want with 3 friends with you, as you can just get handed the pieces you need..
Problem solved. Dont blame the group finder.

Actually i had few similar things happen to me , i don't mind running with low lv pugs but recently in finder i got lv 12 ( not as bad as lv 10 but still) lv 24 lv 32 and 45 ect ... and yhea ....

we need to have ability to place the cp range in finder

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Actually i had few similar things happen to me , i don't mind running with low lv pugs but recently in finder i got lv 12 ( not as bad as lv 10 but still) lv 24 lv 32 and 45 ect ... and yhea ....

>>we need to have ability to place the cp range in finder<<

This will only lead to even more elitism I imagine.

*Cough* Elitists *Cough*

@Khairiah

hmm im not too sure that would happen , maybe have a gap to select over 100 cp over 200 cp over 300 over 400.
As in some vet dungeons you need to have people who are over 300-400 cp points and when you get somebody with less then a 100 and you keep on getting wiped out cos of that person it dose make it difficult on all of us and i fell bad for the person when others want me to kick him/her out because it has nothing to do with his/her play style or L2P ect its just that he/she is not able to compete with the damage enemies do.

Probably worth checking whether that level 10 was actually a new player though given your story I imagine he was indeed new, but a fair chunk of people using dungeon finder are doing random normals/vets to level alts.

Though getting on about elitism... I remember a time I was bringing up my stam dk and I answered the call for a dps on a random normal (scaled, my level 24 dk could pull like 15k single target). I get into the group and about 10 seconds later get booted for being low level by a group no higher than CP80... Booted flawless conquerer vet trials dps with 620CP over a normal dungeon, GG guys.

I do agree that some dungeons even on normal might be too overwhelming for newer/low lvl players. But one can get far with a bit of guidence on mechanics and how to tank boss, priority targets etc. And in the end, being that helping hand to thoose who are new doesnt take that much longer.

I don't try DLC dungeons with randoms from tool even on normal mode. I tried a couple and they are still a wipe. If I see characters below level 40 I leave at once and wait for another 15 minutes, doing other activities in the game. DLC dungeons are made available to all levels exactly because they are DLC. It's a product which is meant to be bought by as many people as possible. If a new inexperienced player with some crowns to spend sees the DLC when he logs in he will buy it out of curiosity, oblivious to the fact he's too weak to actually play it, and he will be for a long time to come. But ZoS gets paid and the game moves forward.

I have no such issues with the dungeons in the base game, excepting Blackheart Haven; even there I was able to help a weak group finish by basically soloing the boss while they were healing themselves and killing the trash skeletons. I've pulled very weak groups trough almost all of them, people who basically spammed light attack and barely made any damage, or healers that didn't know that heavy staff attack restores magicka and swung a 2H sword instead. But DLC dungeons are a whole different ball game from Fungal Grotto 1 or Spindlectlutch 1.

From my experience with PuGs the worst players are actually the low to mid CP players who haven't run any dungeons up to that point, and have totally inadequate skill and gear setup - single player overland content can be completed with any gear and skill setup, even relying exclusively on heavy attacks. I've seen sorcerer pet build with full heavy armor and 2H sword ~CP80; and I'm not convinced he was even stamina because I didn't see any hurricane. I pulled him trough Elden Hollow 1 because the other players, although were around level 30, had at least marginally effective builds and could at least manage some of the trash and keep themselves alive for most of the times. Those lower level characters may have actually been experienced players who chose to level their alts trough the random dungeon XP bonus. He was not doing anything and just relied on the pets to do damage and of course he stayed in the red and got shot in the face all the time. The others gave up resurrecting him after a while. At Chocklethorn and the end boss he was dead ~80% of the time because he was getting caught in AoE and not rolling back. I basically spammed the group chat politely telling him not to stay there, but he didn't even bother to respond - some noobs are too dumb to listen to what I tell them, although the CP531 is clearly visible. After each dungeon ends I take 2-3 minutes to explain to low level players what they did wrong, what they can improve in their play and build. Sometimes conversation continues even long after I've left the group. I like seeing people that are eager to learn, but I don't like those who play badly and don't even bother to listen.

So I'm actually very tolerant and helpful to newbies, and can pull most of them trough normal dungeons if they help a bit. I only get "elitist" in prisons, towers, cradles, ruins etc.

Before I bought the DLC I was running a lot of random veteran dungeons. I noticed some got chosen much more than others. Veteran Elden Hollow was chosen about 1/3 of the time. Another which showed up a lot, maybe 1/6 of the time was Veteran City of Ash, which was not nerfed back then - surprisingly I was able to finish the latter with PuGs about 70% of the time. With the normal ones I see the alliance zone 1-2 ones being chosen far more often than the others, because most players who queue are low level and they can only queue for those dungeons in tool. If they are low level players with ESO+ ...

im cp27 (I think) and only done 2 dungeons last weekend. I acted purely as healer and being honest, I wasn't set up properly to do it. I was using the wrong heal skills, didn't have any food buffs. It was a mixed group with a high level from on here and a few other lower levels. I died once or twice in each dungeon but then I was more concerned on keeping everyone else alive I forgot about myself.

The high level player was great. Gave me advice on what skills I should be using and when. Gave me some great food buff to use in future. (im trying o find the recipe myself to make it on my own.- it’s a max health/magika regen)

Next time I do a dungeon I’ll be better prepared, mainly thanks to the high level player giving a bit of guidance.

Who knows, in a year or so I could be a superb healer that’s in demand. If I got booted or was left on my own last weekend, I probably wouldn’t even have started on the dungeon path.

The old saying “from little acorns grown big oak trees”.

The group finder may not be perfect, or even half right but don’t let that be a reason to see a low level player get turned away. You just don’t know who they may grow into.

PS I understood that CP’s transfer to any alt you have. So surely an alt of a CP player will have the CP star thing next to their level?

I love using the group finder, and frequently run normal instances with low level people who are happy to run this content without being barred by other players. In fact this is why I'm taking up tanking: as long as I can act as a damage sponge and distract the boss, they can learn how to work in this kind of dungeon where the mobs themselves are much more resilient than overworld.

Kinda annoys me when someone queued up as a tank with zero taunts, and did not even block/interrupt... or when a healer just stands there twiddling their thumbs because no one is near dying yet. Or when DD decides to pull a pack, or does not move out of red. But we were all noobs once.

A few days ago I ran nRoM as a CP531+ tank with a level 12 DD, a CP200-something DD, and a level 30-ish healer, and we did just fine. Turns out the lower level characters belonged to players which had run it before on higher level characters of different roles - so often is not a matter of what level character you have on screen, but on the skill and experience of the person behind it.

Yep.... i'm getting pretty tired of getting in a group only to have it disbanded by the A-hole leader... then everyone gets the 15 min penalty.
Happened twice last night to me in a row... then every other day i get grouped with 5 people so someone has to leave and gets screwed by the penalty again.

please fix this.