Calling all PvP Magicka DKs - Document to the DEVs

DUTCH_REAPER · August 2016

U don't see chains much bc hardly anyone runs a mDK in PVP.

Idk what your talking about. 1.6 suckd for mDKs. Pre 1.5 was the days of being a God on a mDK.

Anyone calling for a nerf on this magic build type for DKs needs to step back quickly. Because I have played this class since beta on PC and when I see probably one of the only skills "burning embers" in the mDK arsenal being called out as OP or nerf it I start to get an aneurism when people walk up in here and post *** like that.

Joy_Division · August 2016

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We have magic gap closer. It's buggy but we have one.

It's also very underwhelming, which makes a terrible combination.

imredneckson · August 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We have magic gap closer. It's buggy but we have one.

It's also very underwhelming, which makes a terrible combination.

Replace chains with a magicka gap closer like Invasion.

DKsUnite · August 2016

imredneckson wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We have magic gap closer. It's buggy but we have one.

It's also very underwhelming, which makes a terrible combination.

Replace chains with a magicka gap closer like Invasion.

they wont because chains is too good in pve

imredneckson · August 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We have magic gap closer. It's buggy but we have one.

It's also very underwhelming, which makes a terrible combination.

Replace chains with a magicka gap closer like Invasion.

they wont because chains is too good in pve

:'(

DKsUnite · August 2016

imredneckson wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We have magic gap closer. It's buggy but we have one.

It's also very underwhelming, which makes a terrible combination.

Replace chains with a magicka gap closer like Invasion.

they wont because chains is too good in pve

:'(

I would love to have a ability like a flame charge. You get a fire aura and you just like head smash into them stunning them. Would be so cool haha

imredneckson · August 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We have magic gap closer. It's buggy but we have one.

It's also very underwhelming, which makes a terrible combination.

Replace chains with a magicka gap closer like Invasion.

they wont because chains is too good in pve

:'(

I would love to have a ability like a flame charge. You get a fire aura and you just like head smash into them stunning them. Would be so cool haha

+1

lucky_Sage · August 2016

i thought of another change take away the group buff for molten armaments and make it change stam weapons to magick so they deal fire damage instead of physical and the light and heavy attacks restore magicka instead of stam
so it basically turns them into a magic weapon

Cronopoly · September 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

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Love the focus you have pointed out for this spec. I'm most interested in some change to make Flame Lash a viable damage ability in PVP. Like others have said, screw the heal, it's almost an excuse to keep the damage low.

Also the idea of circumstantially bringing all applied dots together for an Execute is the best idea I've heard.

Rage_Killin · September 2016

Wow, I just read the entire document. Part of me REALLY wished that these were actual patch notes LOL! Too bad ZOS will never take these ideas into consideration. ( Based off of what they have responded to so far in previous patches )

K4RMA · September 2016

@K4RMA

Natas013 · September 2016

Chains don't need to be changed, they just need to be fixed. Unrelenting grip is fine as is (if it fired more reliably). Empowering chains just need an alternate effect. You lose the empower if it's dodged and the chain hits the ground where the intended target was. Give this ability the alternate effect of an AOE stagger that pulls you to that spot.

Cronopoly · September 2016

Just noticed on PTS Ardent Flame Skills re-arranged. (Chains and Flame Lash) so noob DK's get Flame Lash right off the bat basically and chains pushed out to level 30.

I there something else fundamental that I'm missing? I didn't see any other changes to the other trees but did not check all morphs etc...

AddiZ · September 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y7g3egZd5z0Sstn0XKKy7cznavWqoezpfQypLOz7kbY/edit?usp=sharing

So this is going to be a document i want to make with all of the magicka DKs to give to the DEVs at the next meeting
Please send me a private message with a email so i can invite you to edit and contribute your ideas if you so wish
I will only be giving out edit access to people I trust so sorry to the people i dont know (and hence dont trust) you HOWEVER, please leave a comment with a suggestion and i/someone will glady put it in

If you are making contributions, please try to think about pve mDK DPS being top tier already and stam DK already being top tier in pvp. Make sure your buffs only effect pvp mDK!!

Im not saying that all these buffs should be implemented but rather giving as many suggestions as possible. Explain why you think a change should happen aswell so they have a reason to implement it

Thanks

@Princess_Asgari @Ghostbane @Lord_Hev @Ishammael @Burning_Talons @xEcthelionx @Sypher @Armitas @Ghost-Shot @Bashev @ebethke_ESO @AverageJo3Gam3r @Aenlir @DUTCH_REAPER @PosternHouse @Joy_Division @DignifiedMouse

P.S - Someone tag Jules for me, i cant find her lol?
P.S.S. - please tag more people that you think will contribute or like to

Leap

Just remove this as an ulitimate and take one of the skills that are never used as DKs, i would like this as a gap closer more than an ulitmate

Give us an healing ulti instead!

Hutch679 · September 2016

This thread has +6,900 views... that has to say something about the state of where magical dks are and changes that need made. Honestly, if they fixed dragon blood to be a % of maximum health heal or to be a heal over time, then it would be all good. There are several other skills that need reworked but for real a class heal would be excellent. ..

IxskullzxI · September 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

This thread has +6,900 views... that has to say something about the state of where magical dks are and changes that need made. Honestly, if they fixed dragon blood to be a % of maximum health heal or to be a heal over time, then it would be all good. There are several other skills that need reworked but for real a class heal would be excellent. ..

The class would be so much better off with a decent heal. I like how it has 6900+ views and no comment from the devs or any buffs. Instead we get changes like soul assault.

FloppyTouch · September 2016

I play a mdk with the way burning embers heals if they did improve dragon blood back to %heal off missing health wouldn't this make us a little to op in self heals?
I want GDB back too don't get me wrong but think about this apply embers at start of fight then when u get low pop GDB then embers and ur all the way back to full?
Maybe make GDB a heal over time that's base off ur magic pool so Stam dk won't use it with vigor?
I want mdk to b balance and feel strong but I also don't want it to be op.

Cronopoly · September 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I play a mdk with the way burning embers heals if they did improve dragon blood back to %heal off missing health wouldn't this make us a little to op in self heals?
I want GDB back too don't get me wrong but think about this apply embers at start of fight then when u get low pop GDB then embers and ur all the way back to full?
Maybe make GDB a heal over time that's base off ur magic pool so Stam dk won't use it with vigor?
I want mdk to b balance and feel strong but I also don't want it to be op.

You nailed it. This was deliberately nerfed and BE given a end of spell Heal which you could cut short. This must be the same person that does balance for Sorc damage abilities. All delayed, or awaiting a proc chance...

Seems all goodness was given to Stamina. I'm sure Magicka specs would trade the heal on BE for a Magicka based Vigor in a hot second. Most would likely break down and cry in happiness.

IxskullzxI · September 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I play a mdk with the way burning embers heals if they did improve dragon blood back to %heal off missing health wouldn't this make us a little to op in self heals?
I want GDB back too don't get me wrong but think about this apply embers at start of fight then when u get low pop GDB then embers and ur all the way back to full?
Maybe make GDB a heal over time that's base off ur magic pool so Stam dk won't use it with vigor?
I want mdk to b balance and feel strong but I also don't want it to be op.

The only problem with embers is that it's unreliable. You have to let it tick in order to get a nice heal out of it. Sometimes it doesn't need to tick long to get a nice heal, but in the middle of combat you can't really rely on it. That is why we want dragon blood to not be affected by battle spirit. We want our instant burst heal back. Spamming embers won't save you when you're getting beat on.

Cronopoly · September 2016

^^ Waiting on Burning Embers is frustrating at times indeed and can be hit or miss leading to death if the gods are not in your favor.

Plain and simple two Gimmick heal abilities instead of a straight reliable heal sucks. Both Flame Lash and Burning Embers.

Meanwhile Stam toons hit one button and launch a great Vigor AOE. Doubly so if Rally is slotted.

FloppyTouch · September 2016

right but we can't have both its just too much that's why I agree with some other ppl about GDB being a HoT instead of a burst heal at low health.
Balance is important when looking at these skills and how they work together.

We need to compete with Stam at an even lvl not out do them. Stam healing needs a hard look at too it's way to much.

Fixes i would like
1. Dragon blood a HoT
2. Lower cost on dk ability they r to high
3. Major evasion on cinder storm(we need to stand our ground if we can't escape)
4. Buff whips damage slightly
5. Lower our Banner ult to 200

Master_Kas · September 2016

Why so few people mention a working magicka gapcloser? Chans is horrible -.-

+ bump

Sharee · September 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Why so few people mention a working magicka gapcloser? Chans is horrible -.-

+ bump

Not a problem next patch. Swarm mother for teh win!

Saint_Bud · September 2016

The cost and damage of the abilitys are fine. They could change moltern armament to something like rally for a hot or so or just buff GDB to 40-50% of missing live. But then they need to rechange burning embers and draw essence because all of it will op. I thing chaines as a real gabcloser will never work correcly and its also a little slow (chaines go to an enemy and then you are pulled to them).

IxskullzxI · September 2016

Magna armor 100% spell pen.

Cronopoly · September 2016

Any light at the end of the Tunnel with 1 Tamriel sets other than the "Scorpion" Swarm Mother set mechanic? I mean we already have that...I wonder if will be broken like chains as well in PVP and not fire half the time.

[SNIP]

Bashev · September 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y7g3egZd5z0Sstn0XKKy7cznavWqoezpfQypLOz7kbY/edit?usp=sharing

So this is going to be a document i want to make with all of the magicka DKs to give to the DEVs at the next meeting
Please send me a private message with a email so i can invite you to edit and contribute your ideas if you so wish
I will only be giving out edit access to people I trust so sorry to the people i dont know (and hence dont trust) you HOWEVER, please leave a comment with a suggestion and i/someone will glady put it in

If you are making contributions, please try to think about pve mDK DPS being top tier already and stam DK already being top tier in pvp. Make sure your buffs only effect pvp mDK!!

Im not saying that all these buffs should be implemented but rather giving as many suggestions as possible. Explain why you think a change should happen aswell so they have a reason to implement it

Thanks

@Princess_Asgari @Ghostbane @Lord_Hev @Ishammael @Burning_Talons @xEcthelionx @Sypher @Armitas @Ghost-Shot @Bashev @ebethke_ESO @AverageJo3Gam3r @Aenlir @DUTCH_REAPER @PosternHouse @Joy_Division @DignifiedMouse

P.S - Someone tag Jules for me, i cant find her lol?
P.S.S. - please tag more people that you think will contribute or like to

It is so simple to fix mDK. We need 4 changes which can be done exactly for 1 day.
1) chains when dodged teleports you to the target without damaging it
2) Helping Hands WHILE USING EARTHEN HEART ABILITIES Activating an Earthen Heart ability restores 5% Stamina based on (your highest resource pool).
3) Battle Roar WHEN ACTIVATING AN ULTIMATE ABILITY Activating an Ultimate restores Health, Magicka, and Stamina in amounts increased by 70% of the Ultimate's cost (based on your highest resource pool)
4) Dragon blood excluded from battle spirit.

These changes will bring back mDK from the ash. Especially 2,3 and 4.

Xvorg · September 2016

Cronopoly wrote: »

Any light at the end of the Tunnel with 1 Tamriel sets other than the "Scorpion" Swarm Mother set mechanic? I mean we already have that...I wonder if will be broken like chains as well in PVP and not fire half the time.

[SNIP]

At some point, every single mDK wanted to be Scorpion

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

Bashev wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y7g3egZd5z0Sstn0XKKy7cznavWqoezpfQypLOz7kbY/edit?usp=sharing

So this is going to be a document i want to make with all of the magicka DKs to give to the DEVs at the next meeting
Please send me a private message with a email so i can invite you to edit and contribute your ideas if you so wish
I will only be giving out edit access to people I trust so sorry to the people i dont know (and hence dont trust) you HOWEVER, please leave a comment with a suggestion and i/someone will glady put it in

If you are making contributions, please try to think about pve mDK DPS being top tier already and stam DK already being top tier in pvp. Make sure your buffs only effect pvp mDK!!

Im not saying that all these buffs should be implemented but rather giving as many suggestions as possible. Explain why you think a change should happen aswell so they have a reason to implement it

Thanks

@Princess_Asgari @Ghostbane @Lord_Hev @Ishammael @Burning_Talons @xEcthelionx @Sypher @Armitas @Ghost-Shot @Bashev @ebethke_ESO @AverageJo3Gam3r @Aenlir @DUTCH_REAPER @PosternHouse @Joy_Division @DignifiedMouse

P.S - Someone tag Jules for me, i cant find her lol?
P.S.S. - please tag more people that you think will contribute or like to

It is so simple to fix mDK. We need 4 changes which can be done exactly for 1 day.
1) chains when dodged teleports you to the target without damaging it
2) Helping Hands WHILE USING EARTHEN HEART ABILITIES Activating an Earthen Heart ability restores 5% Stamina based on (your highest resource pool).
3) Battle Roar WHEN ACTIVATING AN ULTIMATE ABILITY Activating an Ultimate restores Health, Magicka, and Stamina in amounts increased by 70% of the Ultimate's cost (based on your highest resource pool)
4) Dragon blood excluded from battle spirit.

These changes will bring back mDK from the ash. Especially 2,3 and 4.

I don't understand what you are saying on #2, #3 is how battle roar used to work and how it should still work.

Edit: Are you saying restore stamina by 5% of your highest resource? I think that would be a bit over the top.

Zeuq · September 2016

Standard of might 250 ultimate
Proposed change : For every kill you get in your standard in pvp you get 10 extra ultimate in addition to combat frenzy