Enlightment pots and scrolls

Milvan · September 2016

Hello comrades.
Since experience scrolls/pots are time based, it's more wise to maximized it grinding experience with mobs, but some of us are not really into grinding.
Due to that, I think that it would be a great asset for the Crown Store to sell enlighment scrolls: similar to the experience pots/scrolls but it would give enlightement bonus instead of xp bonus time. With the enlighment bonus we could quest and level at our own pace and enjoy the xp bonus at the same time.
(pots of the enlightment scrolls could also be crafted of course)

More options, more fun.

Wreuntzylla · September 2016

Wow, great idea. I'd pay for that.

UrQuan · September 2016

Hmm, I definitely wouldn't use them myself, but that's a pretty good idea. I'm sure lots of people would want them.

alephthiago · September 2016

No, you need to grind with your guildmates.

DENIED!

Milvan · September 2016

C'mon ZOS, make it happen! I don't want to grind anymore

VoiDGhOs7 · September 2016

Milvan wrote: »

Hello comrades.
Since experience scrolls/pots are time based, it's more wise to maximized it grinding experience with mobs, but some of us are not really into grinding.
Due to that, I think that it would be a great asset for the Crown Store to sell enlighment scrolls: similar to the experience pots/scrolls but it would give enlightement bonus instead of xp bonus time. With the enlighment bonus we could quest and level at our own pace and enjoy the xp bonus at the same time.
(pots of the enlightment scrolls could also be crafted of course)

More options, more fun.

So in that way you can get more CP that you'll never be able to use?
Also maybe it will never happen but in the worst case that they decide to remove CP cap then the game will turn into a P2W [SNIP].

Edit:but I would be ok if you could use something like that just to reach the cap but you wont be able to use the enlightenment after you've reached the cap,that way it would help new players to get to cap faster.

[Edited for Profanity]

UrQuan · September 2016

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Hello comrades.
Since experience scrolls/pots are time based, it's more wise to maximized it grinding experience with mobs, but some of us are not really into grinding.
Due to that, I think that it would be a great asset for the Crown Store to sell enlighment scrolls: similar to the experience pots/scrolls but it would give enlightement bonus instead of xp bonus time. With the enlighment bonus we could quest and level at our own pace and enjoy the xp bonus at the same time.
(pots of the enlightment scrolls could also be crafted of course)

More options, more fun.

So in that way you can get more CP that you'll never be able to use?
Also maybe it will never happen but in the worst case that they decide to remove CP cap then the game will turn into a P2W [SNIP].

Edit:but I would be ok if you could use something like that just to reach the cap but you wont be able to use the enlightenment after you've reached the cap,that way it would help new players to get to cap faster.

[Edited for Profanity]

One of the issues ZOS is trying to deal with when looking at when they raise the cap, and by how much, is that while there are a bunch of us who are significantly above the cap, the vast majority of the player base is still way below the cap. So a new way to help them catch up faster is a good idea.

I like your idea that maybe you wouldn't be able to use the enlightenment from these proposed pots/scrolls if you're already at cap or above. Maybe ZOS should expand that concept and simply have enlightenment only ever happen if you're below the cap? I mean, I'm more than 100 CPs above the cap, and I still spend most of my game time enlightened. Why the heck do I need that? It'll be multiple cap increases before I'm no longer at cap, so why do I need to keep earning CPs at an accelerated rate?

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

People aren't gonna be satisfied until there is literally no level progression in this game... Seriously it's already super easy to level in this game, in fact I daresay no other game with level progression has it this easy, and that doesn't need to get worse just because people hate to grind. I don't like long grind sessions either but I also don't want to reach the level cap in 5 minutes...

Nestor · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Why the heck do I need that? It'll be multiple cap increases before I'm no longer at cap, so why do I need to keep earning CPs at an accelerated rate?

Because, it makes for an impressive number displayed on your name tag that you have to live up to.

bebynnag · September 2016

@UrQuan

I mean, I'm more than 100 CPs above the cap, and I still spend most of my game time enlightened. Why the heck do I need that? It'll be multiple cap increases before I'm no longer at cap, so why do I need to keep earning CPs at an accelerated rate?

please dont put ideas in their head....

im CR750 (or something) each character up till now has been leveled questing
i decided to grind my 4 new characters they arenow max level... unforunatley their class skills & weapons are still in the low 40's
i need my enlightemnent to level them up,

i cant face grinding anymore.. its tedious!

Soundwave · September 2016

I came up with idea when I make a topic called "good ideas". Only should be available to new players and only up to 300 cp

UrQuan · September 2016

puffytheslayer wrote: »

@UrQuan

I mean, I'm more than 100 CPs above the cap, and I still spend most of my game time enlightened. Why the heck do I need that? It'll be multiple cap increases before I'm no longer at cap, so why do I need to keep earning CPs at an accelerated rate?

please dont put ideas in their head....

im CR750 (or something) each character up till now has been leveled questing
i decided to grind my 4 new characters they arenow max level... unforunatley their class skills & weapons are still in the low 40's
i need my enlightemnent to level them up,

i cant face grinding anymore.. its tedious!

Actually @puffytheslayer enlightenment doesn't help that. Enlightenment only affects the speed at which you gain CPs. It has nothing to do with how much XP you earn (and therefore has nothing to do with leveling up skills), it just makes the XP that you earn count quadruple (as long as you're enlightened) for the purpose of gaining CPs.

Sigtric · September 2016

I'd buy them, crowns or gold for crafted.

bebynnag · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

@UrQuan

I mean, I'm more than 100 CPs above the cap, and I still spend most of my game time enlightened. Why the heck do I need that? It'll be multiple cap increases before I'm no longer at cap, so why do I need to keep earning CPs at an accelerated rate?

please dont put ideas in their head....

im CR750 (or something) each character up till now has been leveled questing
i decided to grind my 4 new characters they arenow max level... unforunatley their class skills & weapons are still in the low 40's
i need my enlightemnent to level them up,

i cant face grinding anymore.. its tedious!

Actually @puffytheslayer enlightenment doesn't help that. Enlightenment only affects the speed at which you gain CPs. It has nothing to do with how much XP you earn (and therefore has nothing to do with leveling up skills), it just makes the XP that you earn count quadruple (as long as you're enlightened) for the purpose of gaining CPs.

skills & skill lines level based on XP earned, i earn increased XP when im enlightened, and my skill lines feel as though they level faster if i do my pledge for example when im enlightened compared to when im not.

Nestor · September 2016

puffytheslayer wrote: »

skills & skill lines level based on XP earned, i earn increased XP when im enlightened[/quote]

@puffytheslayer

No, you don't. Your earn Experience at the same rate whether your enlightened or not. Enlightenment only has to do with the rate at which CPs are calculated based on the Exp you earn.

You increase Experienced Earned by:

1. Being Grouped with one other
2. Being Married and at least near the Spouse (don't know how grouping works with this, never been married in a game)
3. ESO Plus

The Training Trait on gear increases Exp from Mob Kills, but not Questing, but you can get near or even better than Ambrosia levels of boost to Exp Earned with a full set of Gear with the Training Trait.

Of course, boosting Exp earned can boost the rate at which you accrue CPs whether Enlightened or not. Enlightenment just gives you 4X Multiplier for CPs

Apherius · September 2016

P2W . i don't agree .

AlnilamE · September 2016

OP, I think you may have not worded your suggestion the way you intended, but please correct me if I'm wrong:

Are you suggesting that an XP scroll, rather than being "50% more XP for 2 hours" be "50% more XP for the next 100k XP earned"? That way you don't have to worry about spending the 2 hours in XP efficient ways? But rather, like enlightenment, the 100k XP would be multiplied by 1.5?

Bouldercleave · September 2016

I've never used one of these pots or scrolls. In just questing, I had a hard time not brutally out leveling the zone I was in. CP however seems to be a different dog.

bebynnag · September 2016

Nestor wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

skills & skill lines level based on XP earned, i earn increased XP when im enlightened

@puffytheslayer

No, you don't. Your earn Experience at the same rate whether your enlightened or not. Enlightenment only has to do with the rate at which CPs are calculated based on the Exp you earn.

You increase Experienced Earned by:

1. Being Grouped with one other
2. Being Married and at least near the Spouse (don't know how grouping works with this, never been married in a game)
3. ESO Plus

The Training Trait on gear increases Exp from Mob Kills, but not Questing, but you can get near or even better than Ambrosia levels of boost to Exp Earned with a full set of Gear with the Training Trait.

Of course, boosting Exp earned can boost the rate at which you accrue CPs whether Enlightened or not. Enlightenment just gives you 4X Multiplier for CPs

[/quote]

i have always been under the impression that the amount of XP you earn directly effects the rate at which skills & skill lines increase.

a reletivley recent introduction on console was the XP tracker in the bottom left of the screen; i assume it was introduced due to demand, im indifferent about it.

so if enlightenment only increases my progress in CP then why are the figures i receive for completing identical tasks, diffrent when i am/am not enlightened.

because none of this make ANY sense to me,

tbc i am genuinley asking for help & claarification here, because this whole thing is confusing the *** out of me!

UrQuan · September 2016

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i have always been under the impression that the amount of XP you earn directly effects the rate at which skills & skill lines increase.

This is true.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

a reletivley recent introduction on console was the XP tracker in the bottom left of the screen; i assume it was introduced due to demand, im indifferent about it.

so if enlightenment only increases my progress in CP then why are the figures i receive for completing identical tasks, diffrent when i am/am not enlightened.

because none of this make ANY sense to me,

tbc i am genuinley asking for help & claarification here, because this whole thing is confusing the *** out of me!

The tracker that you're seeing isn't exactly accurate. It's showing you how much you're earning towards your next champion point. If you kill a mob that awards you 1,000 XP normally, while you're enlightened the tracker may show you 4,000 XP, but you're still only actually earning 1,000. It just counts as 4,000 for the purposes of champion points.

Back when we had both veteran ranks and champion points it was very easy to demonstrate this difference, because you would see 4,000 XP in the tracker, and your bar for champion points would go up by 4,000, but your bar towards earning the next vet rank would only go up by 1,000.

And don't worry about this being confusing to you - it's a topic that I think causes a lot of confusion. I know it confused me a lot when CPs were first introduced.

bebynnag · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i have always been under the impression that the amount of XP you earn directly effects the rate at which skills & skill lines increase.

This is true.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

a reletivley recent introduction on console was the XP tracker in the bottom left of the screen; i assume it was introduced due to demand, im indifferent about it.

so if enlightenment only increases my progress in CP then why are the figures i receive for completing identical tasks, diffrent when i am/am not enlightened.

because none of this make ANY sense to me,

tbc i am genuinley asking for help & claarification here, because this whole thing is confusing the *** out of me!

The tracker that you're seeing isn't exactly accurate. It's showing you how much you're earning towards your next champion point. If you kill a mob that awards you 1,000 XP normally, while you're enlightened the tracker may show you 4,000 XP, but you're still only actually earning 1,000. It just counts as 4,000 for the purposes of champion points.

Back when we had both veteran ranks and champion points it was very easy to demonstrate this difference, because you would see 4,000 XP in the tracker, and your bar for champion points would go up by 4,000, but your bar towards earning the next vet rank would only go up by 1,000.

And don't worry about this being confusing to you - it's a topic that I think causes a lot of confusion. I know it confused me a lot when CPs were first introduced.

Thank you for takinhg the time to explain

much appriciated, wish i could turn the XP monitor off tbh, LOL

Nestor · September 2016

puffytheslayer wrote: »

so if enlightenment only increases my progress in CP then why are the figures i receive for completing identical tasks, diffrent when i am/am not enlightened.

@puffytheslayer

I have not seen the Console Exp Tracker so not sure. However, it may only show CP rate when enlightened, and exp rate when not, but you think your seeing the same pool increase being reported. Or, the higher of the two values.

AUI addon for the PC was doing this for a while, only showing the actual CP rate when enlightened, but the exp rate when not. But, now it shows both. Also, since this is on the consoles, is there a setting that you can toggle that has it indicate Exp or Cxp? That may be why.

UrQuan · September 2016

puffytheslayer wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i have always been under the impression that the amount of XP you earn directly effects the rate at which skills & skill lines increase.

This is true.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

a reletivley recent introduction on console was the XP tracker in the bottom left of the screen; i assume it was introduced due to demand, im indifferent about it.

so if enlightenment only increases my progress in CP then why are the figures i receive for completing identical tasks, diffrent when i am/am not enlightened.

because none of this make ANY sense to me,

tbc i am genuinley asking for help & claarification here, because this whole thing is confusing the *** out of me!

The tracker that you're seeing isn't exactly accurate. It's showing you how much you're earning towards your next champion point. If you kill a mob that awards you 1,000 XP normally, while you're enlightened the tracker may show you 4,000 XP, but you're still only actually earning 1,000. It just counts as 4,000 for the purposes of champion points.

Back when we had both veteran ranks and champion points it was very easy to demonstrate this difference, because you would see 4,000 XP in the tracker, and your bar for champion points would go up by 4,000, but your bar towards earning the next vet rank would only go up by 1,000.

And don't worry about this being confusing to you - it's a topic that I think causes a lot of confusion. I know it confused me a lot when CPs were first introduced.

Thank you for takinhg the time to explain

much appriciated, wish i could turn the XP monitor off tbh, LOL

No problem. Total side note (that you may already be fully aware of): if you're looking to level skills, I highly suggest you put what you're trying to level on one bar and swap to that bar immediately before any big XP gain (completing a quest, first time dolmen completion, completing a random dungeon). And definitely try to do at least 1 random dungeon a day if you can. You get way more XP from your first random dungeon of the day than you do from a pledge (the second and subsequent random dungeons of the day are about the same amount of XP as a pledge IIRC), and if you're really lucky the random dungeon may be the pledge dungeon anyway, so you'll be double-dipping.

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

I can verify that skill line XP is unaffected by Enlightenment.

bebynnag · September 2016

Nestor wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

so if enlightenment only increases my progress in CP then why are the figures i receive for completing identical tasks, diffrent when i am/am not enlightened.

@puffytheslayer

I have not seen the Console Exp Tracker so not sure. However, it may only show CP rate when enlightened, and exp rate when not, but you think your seeing the same pool increase being reported. Or, the higher of the two values.

AUI addon for the PC was doing this for a while, only showing the actual CP rate when enlightened, but the exp rate when not. But, now it shows both. Also, since this is on the consoles, is there a setting that you can toggle that has it indicate Exp or Cxp? That may be why.

no toggle i can see, would prefer to just turn the thing off. lol

Milvan · September 2016

AlnilamE wrote: »

OP, I think you may have not worded your suggestion the way you intended, but please correct me if I'm wrong:

Are you suggesting that an XP scroll, rather than being "50% more XP for 2 hours" be "50% more XP for the next 100k XP earned"? That way you don't have to worry about spending the 2 hours in XP efficient ways? But rather, like enlightenment, the 100k XP would be multiplied by 1.5?

Ty for pointing that the idea is not clear. English isn't my first language so I try to explain again. XD
I'm really thinking about something just like enlightment, for example, you take a pot/scroll and you gain one extra day of enlightment (400k xp), maybe half-day (200k xp) what suits ZOS better. So you could still level up at a accelerated pace, without have to grind the following two hours (the duration of xp scroll). It's plain and simple, take the pot/scroll and receive XXXk extra enlightment.

Apherius wrote: »

P2W . i don't agree .

How extra enlightment is p2w and xp bonus scroll/pots are not? Explain that to me plz.