Shower-Thought Suggestion: Buff Soul Trap

Rykmaar · September 2016

With SA being usable now, I had a shower thought:

If Soul Trap was buffed, it would be possible for players to create builds around the dot and make use of the Oblivion's Foe craftable set. Right now, the damage -- even when buffed by that set, is miniscule.

Because its a dot, it can be purged, which means that its damage can be buffed very significantly pre-Oblivions foe as its damage is both over time and subject to removal and, therefore, instant negation.

Honestly, I think it could be buffed as much as 100 percent as it does what? 9k now pre-battle spirit?

9 to 18k with a 100% buff. Reduced by 50% with BS, oblivion's foe would buff it back to 18-20k.

I think that players would benefit from the freedom to create a build around this ability -- since it would be balanced by not only removal/healing mechanics, but also by limiting gear options.

Silver_Strider · September 2016

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

dsalter · September 2016

Rykmaar wrote: »

With SA being usable now, I had a shower thought:

If Soul Trap was buffed, it would be possible for players to create builds around the dot and make use of the Oblivion's Foe craftable set. Right now, the damage -- even when buffed by that set, is miniscule.

Because its a dot, it can be purged, which means that its damage can be buffed very significantly pre-Oblivions foe as its damage is both over time and subject to removal and, therefore, instant negation.

Honestly, I think it could be buffed as much as 100 percent as it does what? 9k now pre-battle spirit?

9 to 18k with a 100% buff. Reduced by 50% with BS, oblivion's foe would buff it back to 18-20k.

I think that players would benefit from the freedom to create a build around this ability -- since it would be balanced by not only removal/healing mechanics, but also by limiting gear options.

i had this thought a while back, the morphs need to be altered as well, more specifically the splitting one needs to go.

Rykmaar · September 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

Yeah, I agree. Maybe make it so that morph restores if it gets the killing blow. Maybe make it restore just magicka. Maybe nerf it to 50% effectiveness so only 5%.

Actually, what if it added % regeneration to all 3 instead of % total restore? So something like enemies killed while under the effects of soul trap increase health/magicka/stamina regeneration by 10% each? Maybe 15?

Rykmaar · September 2016

Additionally, I think maybe the restorative aspect of that one morph could be balanced (partially, and after testing) by the fact that a build would need to slot ST to begin with -- slots are precious, the game is all about skill loudout. (and sets lol)

dsalter · September 2016

Rykmaar wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

Yeah, I agree. Maybe make it so that morph restores if it gets the killing blow. Maybe make it restore just magicka. Maybe nerf it to 50% effectiveness so only 5%.

Actually, what if it added % regeneration to all 3 instead of % total restore? So something like enemies killed while under the effects of soul trap increase health/magicka/stamina regeneration by 10% each? Maybe 15?

actually the morph would be fine, it's only useful at the end of combat, if it was mid combat than yah but end of combat? it would just allow you to rush to the next fight sooner. could put a 4 second cd on the heal if thats a problem due to AoE

Rykmaar · September 2016

dsalter wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

Yeah, I agree. Maybe make it so that morph restores if it gets the killing blow. Maybe make it restore just magicka. Maybe nerf it to 50% effectiveness so only 5%.

Actually, what if it added % regeneration to all 3 instead of % total restore? So something like enemies killed while under the effects of soul trap increase health/magicka/stamina regeneration by 10% each? Maybe 15?

actually the morph would be fine, it's only useful at the end of combat, if it was mid combat than yah but end of combat? it would just allow you to rush to the next fight sooner. could put a 4 second cd on the heal if thats a problem due to AoE

That's a good point, would function similar in concept to Dreugh King Slayer. All about getting to the next fight, as you said.

Lots of souls to capture

leepalmer95 · September 2016

I love people are accepting the zerg empowering SA buff.

Rykmaar · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I love people are accepting the zerg empowering SA buff.

I didn't say I liked their buff. I'm saying that because they recently did work within the tree, I thought about Soul Trap and remembered that it is horridly underused after you finish leveling to cap.

I feel like the ability needs some love as it could open up players to more variety if they build around it.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Rykmaar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I love people are accepting the zerg empowering SA buff.

I didn't say I liked their buff. I'm saying that because they recently did work within the tree, I thought about Soul Trap and remembered that it is horridly underused after you finish leveling to cap.

I feel like the ability needs some love as it could open up players to more variety if they build around it.

Pretty sure soul trap isn't mean't to be used as a end game skill, it's to fill soul gems and to help new players when they first start

Rykmaar · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I love people are accepting the zerg empowering SA buff.

I didn't say I liked their buff. I'm saying that because they recently did work within the tree, I thought about Soul Trap and remembered that it is horridly underused after you finish leveling to cap.

I feel like the ability needs some love as it could open up players to more variety if they build around it.

Pretty sure soul trap isn't mean't to be used as a end game skill, it's to fill soul gems and to help new players when they first start

Every delve boss gives a filled soul gem, soul trap is actually not an efficient way to get gems as a new player at all.

Oblivion's Foe is an 8 trait set. A new player wouldn't have that much research done before they hit cap. If Soul Trap wasn't intended to have end game functionality, they wouldn't put in a set that buffed it's damage and time lock it beyond that player hitting level cap.

Destyran · September 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

This only works with empty soul gems in your inventory

dsalter · September 2016

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/267981/please-buff-soul-trap-damage-to-double-its-current-amount#latest

more from past forum post i made

Ankael07 · September 2016

How about instead of doubling it we increase the stacking limit? Maybe like up to 5 ? It could certainly give enemy time before we reach the ideal damage and it would cost a considerable amount of resource by the time you reach the stacks. It wont contribute to the burst meta.Oh and if possible its damage could scale off of the highest resource giving both parties something new to use.

It could also be made unpurgeable but duration would be lowered to compensate. It would also serve as a spammable ability for sorcerers and dk's.

Beardimus · September 2016

They could also had a magika equivalent of rearming trap to the ability. The 12% more spell crit damage....

Kill two birds with one stone

Silver_Strider · September 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

This only works with empty soul gems in your inventory

You might want to test that.

Rykmaar · September 2016

Ankael07 wrote: »

How about instead of doubling it we increase the stacking limit? Maybe like up to 5 ? It could certainly give enemy time before we reach the ideal damage and it would cost a considerable amount of resource by the time you reach the stacks. It wont contribute to the burst meta.

Pretty cool idea too.

Ya, I definitely want ST to be buffed significantly now. It should be strong, and made very strong by Oblivion's Foe. (why make an 8 trait set focused on a single skill that no one ever uses?)

The high damage from buffed ST would be balanced by:
-it being purgable
-it occupying a skill slot
-it doing its crazy damage over time, instead of being burst

Great opener for ranged magic classes. Adds another tool to the toolbox.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Have there been any discussions about this?

Solariken · September 2016

They definitely need to do SOMETHING with it. There is NO reason for it to remain unusable garbage.

One morph should be a self-cast that does damage and drains/returns health and resources on hit similar to Siphoning Strikes.

The other morph should be a strong DoT/debuff in the spirit of the current design but with some unique effects. I think I have a really cool idea for this one but it deserves its own discussion.

DocFrost72 · September 2016

Destyran wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

A buff to soul trap would possibly require a nerf to the resource return morph because a 10% return on all 3 resources for killing an enemy seems a bit much.

This only works with empty soul gems in your inventory

Can confirm with 100% certainty you are wrong. What's more, you don't even have to be the one that kills the mob, it just has to die in general.

Always made me wonder why tanks didn't block cast this 24/7.