Ilambris - Best in Slot for Magic Sorcerers for One Tamriel?

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2016

SanTii.92 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Ilambris - BIS for MagSorc
Grothdar- BiS for MagDK

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

All I can say for sure, is that Ilambris does not replace anything we have right now.
It can deliver good results IF you are lucky and experience a good uptime of both, the lightning and fire hail.

But this is rather unlikely. It depends more on rng than Nerien and Skoria.

Have you actually tested ilambris? It's absolute bis for sorcerer. I tested it for hours on the pts and it beat kena and nerieneth in literally every situation( aoe, mixed aoe, single target)

http://m.imgur.com/809AvTh?r

This was an average parse. Ilambris can push 3.5K single target and it even gave me 12K dps on the flame atro pack in aa

^^^^^This^^^^^

What about nihgtblades

For Nightblades it's still Nerieneth u less you wanna run kena...by the way Ilambris does almost as well on a nightblade.

SienneYviete · September 2016

Just ran some quick tests last night and saw some extremely promising results on my sorc with 5 x scathing mage, 2 x llambris and 3 x moondancer with vma inferno staffs. Looking forward to this set and the procs look just awesome.

BlazingDynamo · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

Foxic · September 2016

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

It won't be

Foxic · September 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

It won't be

yeah thats what i figured

BlazingDynamo · September 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

It won't be

Excellent logic.

Tho mine is the same as yours, just opinions. Scathing procs on initial crits, nothing more. So it's not the most reliable. Spellweave procs on any tick of flame damage. Wall of elements, weaving, force pulse and shooting star. Both are 20% chance but spellweave has way more opportunity to proc. Plus it is 600 spell damage over 516.

I think it will be better. So I'm going to use it!

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2016

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

It won't be

Excellent logic.

Tho mine is the same as yours, just opinions. Scathing procs on initial crits, nothing more. So it's not the most reliable. Spellweave procs on any tick of flame damage. Wall of elements, weaving, force pulse and shooting star. Both are 20% chance but spellweave has way more opportunity to proc. Plus it is 600 spell damage over 516.

I think it will be better. So I'm going to use it!

Good Luck

Foxic · September 2016

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

It won't be

Excellent logic.

Tho mine is the same as yours, just opinions. Scathing procs on initial crits, nothing more. So it's not the most reliable. Spellweave procs on any tick of flame damage. Wall of elements, weaving, force pulse and shooting star. Both are 20% chance but spellweave has way more opportunity to proc. Plus it is 600 spell damage over 516.

I think it will be better. So I'm going to use it!

I already don't think that scathing is bis. If you look at streaks 48.5K twins parse he only had 58% scathing uptime.

Then consider that force pulse has 3 chances to proc it plus the first tick on all of your skills even in aoe and I think it will beat spell weave by a bit.

I will give the set due diligence and properly test it. But I do not think it will be best in slot for a sorcerer by any means

Edit: spell weave has a nasty cool down as well

Before you go around on the forums telling people what is best in slot you should at least explain how you came to that conclusion

Izaki · September 2016

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

It's gonna be 5 burning spellweave 2 ilambris 4 aether front bar and maelstrom backbar

Or just use 2 maelstrom staves if you have the luxury

While i havent been able to test it as i dont have perfect traits. I find it hard to believe spellweave will be bis for sorcerer. If you have any numbers i would like to see them

It won't be

Excellent logic.

Tho mine is the same as yours, just opinions. Scathing procs on initial crits, nothing more. So it's not the most reliable. Spellweave procs on any tick of flame damage. Wall of elements, weaving, force pulse and shooting star. Both are 20% chance but spellweave has way more opportunity to proc. Plus it is 600 spell damage over 516.

I think it will be better. So I'm going to use it!

It has a cooldown while scathing can proc consecutively. Sorcs are better off with Scathing for sure and Nightblades also.

Izaki · September 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

The only problem is that the lightning staff sucks now....

What does that matter? The only sorcerer I know of that actually uses the lightning heavy attack is yolo. Streak got a 48.5K twins parse without ever using the lightning heavy

Edit: with that setup you should ideally be using double inferno

I'm using the exact same bars as Yolo and Steak, i always wanted to use Curse in PvE. I prefer lightning in every situation.

All sorcs are running the same bars, the difference is that yolo is the only person i know that uses the actual lightning channel, streak just uses the lightning staff frontbar because it has a better weave and he doesnt have a maelstrom staff

And while lightning weaving does feel smoother, mathematically double flame staff is bis

Do fire staffs do more damage on light attacks or something? If not then why exactly is double inferno better than inferno back and shock on front? Altmer sorcs get 9% lightning dmg increase n everything. Please enlightnen me

What about slotting Destructive Touch on the back bar instead of Inner Light? The execute will deal less damage but thats only 20% of the fight and you'd gain an extra DoT and proc chance for Ilambris...

RoyJade · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Do fire staffs do more damage on light attacks or something? If not then why exactly is double inferno better than inferno back and shock on front? Altmer sorcs get 9% lightning dmg increase n everything. Please enlightnen me
What about slotting Destructive Touch on the back bar instead of Inner Light? The execute will deal less damage but thats only 20% of the fight and you'd gain an extra DoT and proc chance for Ilambris...

If you weave light attack, inferno and thunder staves are the same. If you want to do more damage, you want to weave medium attack, and due to the channel mechanism, thunder staff can't medium weave when fire can (and deal mush more damage as a result).
Destructive touch may be a little useful, but scalding rune is better : less overall damage, but two more ticks for Ilambris proc and empower the next attack. You can also slot your execute on your third bar, in order to get your inner light for the execute while using scalding or touch.

Izaki · September 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Do fire staffs do more damage on light attacks or something? If not then why exactly is double inferno better than inferno back and shock on front? Altmer sorcs get 9% lightning dmg increase n everything. Please enlightnen me
What about slotting Destructive Touch on the back bar instead of Inner Light? The execute will deal less damage but thats only 20% of the fight and you'd gain an extra DoT and proc chance for Ilambris...

If you weave light attack, inferno and thunder staves are the same. If you want to do more damage, you want to weave medium attack, and due to the channel mechanism, thunder staff can't medium weave when fire can (and deal mush more damage as a result).
Destructive touch may be a little useful, but scalding rune is better : less overall damage, but two more ticks for Ilambris proc and empower the next attack. You can also slot your execute on your third bar, in order to get your inner light for the execute while using scalding or touch.

In laggy situations aka any trial on xbox, medium attacks don't fire off at all so light attacking is the more reliable way and you don't get stuck in a heavy attack anymation. So I always light attack even though it costs me some dps, because at least I'm 100% certain I'm doing damage.
I'd prefer having my execute more accessible than my Overload bar so I can weave while executing and still chuck out Shooting star. So I'm seriously thinking of using Destructive Clench as I hear it does similar damage to Curse so having both would end up being a DPS boost. Like I said 7% less magicka on the back bar isn't too important cause after all its only 20% of a fight and its the fastest part to get through (damage wise, not speaking of mechanics). That way I will always have 3 skills proccing Ilambris (Liquid Lightning, Force Pulse and Light attacks for shock and Fire Blockade, Fire Clench and Force Pulse for fire) and Shooting Star is another proc chance, Mages Wrath is another 2 hits too. Basically its a meteor shower party.

Izaki · September 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Do fire staffs do more damage on light attacks or something? If not then why exactly is double inferno better than inferno back and shock on front? Altmer sorcs get 9% lightning dmg increase n everything. Please enlightnen me
What about slotting Destructive Touch on the back bar instead of Inner Light? The execute will deal less damage but thats only 20% of the fight and you'd gain an extra DoT and proc chance for Ilambris...

If you weave light attack, inferno and thunder staves are the same. If you want to do more damage, you want to weave medium attack, and due to the channel mechanism, thunder staff can't medium weave when fire can (and deal mush more damage as a result).
Destructive touch may be a little useful, but scalding rune is better : less overall damage, but two more ticks for Ilambris proc and empower the next attack. You can also slot your execute on your third bar, in order to get your inner light for the execute while using scalding or touch.

The rune is also AoE but its just sooo weak..! I use it in conjunction with mines in PvP occasionally but really the damage is way too low. The Empower will only empower a light attack so its not like its a game changer. If ZOS gave fire rune Minor Force then i'd def use it, but as it stands now you really need to convince me its better than Destructive Clench

RoyJade · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

The rune is also AoE but its just sooo weak..! I use it in conjunction with mines in PvP occasionally but really the damage is way too low. The Empower will only empower a light attack so its not like its a game changer. If ZOS gave fire rune Minor Force then i'd def use it, but as it stands now you really need to convince me its better than Destructive Clench

The rune is only here for the 11 ticks, so 11 possible Ilambris proc

Clench is better without Ilambris, but with Ilambris I don't know yet. Need more testing.
Clench with a master staff is also a good possibility on the back bar (or front bar, with wall and LL on the back maelstrom bar).

Foxic · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

The only problem is that the lightning staff sucks now....

What does that matter? The only sorcerer I know of that actually uses the lightning heavy attack is yolo. Streak got a 48.5K twins parse without ever using the lightning heavy

Edit: with that setup you should ideally be using double inferno

I'm using the exact same bars as Yolo and Steak, i always wanted to use Curse in PvE. I prefer lightning in every situation.

All sorcs are running the same bars, the difference is that yolo is the only person i know that uses the actual lightning channel, streak just uses the lightning staff frontbar because it has a better weave and he doesnt have a maelstrom staff

And while lightning weaving does feel smoother, mathematically double flame staff is bis

Do fire staffs do more damage on light attacks or something? If not then why exactly is double inferno better than inferno back and shock on front? Altmer sorcs get 9% lightning dmg increase n everything. Please enlightnen me
What about slotting Destructive Touch on the back bar instead of Inner Light? The execute will deal less damage but thats only 20% of the fight and you'd gain an extra DoT and proc chance for Ilambris...

Light weaves get the 10% more damage from having a Mag dk in group with an inferno staff. And I would consider a Mag dk always in group

Dymence · September 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

Izaki · September 2016

RoyJade wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

The rune is also AoE but its just sooo weak..! I use it in conjunction with mines in PvP occasionally but really the damage is way too low. The Empower will only empower a light attack so its not like its a game changer. If ZOS gave fire rune Minor Force then i'd def use it, but as it stands now you really need to convince me its better than Destructive Clench

The rune is only here for the 11 ticks, so 11 possible Ilambris proc
Clench is better without Ilambris, but with Ilambris I don't know yet. Need more testing.
Clench with a master staff is also a good possibility on the back bar (or front bar, with wall and LL on the back maelstrom bar).

Naaah I prefer using Curse on the front bar.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

The only problem is that the lightning staff sucks now....

What does that matter? The only sorcerer I know of that actually uses the lightning heavy attack is yolo. Streak got a 48.5K twins parse without ever using the lightning heavy

Edit: with that setup you should ideally be using double inferno

I'm using the exact same bars as Yolo and Steak, i always wanted to use Curse in PvE. I prefer lightning in every situation.

All sorcs are running the same bars, the difference is that yolo is the only person i know that uses the actual lightning channel, streak just uses the lightning staff frontbar because it has a better weave and he doesnt have a maelstrom staff

And while lightning weaving does feel smoother, mathematically double flame staff is bis

Do fire staffs do more damage on light attacks or something? If not then why exactly is double inferno better than inferno back and shock on front? Altmer sorcs get 9% lightning dmg increase n everything. Please enlightnen me
What about slotting Destructive Touch on the back bar instead of Inner Light? The execute will deal less damage but thats only 20% of the fight and you'd gain an extra DoT and proc chance for Ilambris...

Light weaves get the 10% more damage from having a Mag dk in group with an inferno staff. And I would consider a Mag dk always in group

Oooooh damn thats right completely forgot about that. Well thing is that being an Altmer you get a total 9% increase in lightning staff light attacks. Having a DK in the group (always a DK in the group) will give flame staff light attacks a 14% increase. So basically a 5% difference in light attack damage. I still prefer smoothness and responsiveness as opposed to 5% more light attack damage...

Izaki · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

Running Velocious Curse on the front bar. Aether staff on the front bar for the spell damage enchant so you're getting the 4 piece bonus and the enchantment. The vMSA staff enchantment carries over to your front bar so you're getting all the benefits of having a vMSA staff + the enchantment and an extra set piece bonus.
In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

Foxic · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

Dymence · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

VMA gives 189 spell damage. Aether gives 129 spell damage from set bonus and another 348 spell damage for 5 seconds every 10 seconds (or 174 average). This means that with aether front bar you gain 174 + 129 - 189 = 114 spell damage AND get to keep the vMA enchant:)

Foxic · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

I'm not going to pretend I have hardmode maw experience. But for the serpent I slot my magicka dump on my overload bar which works just fine

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

I'm not going to pretend I have hardmode maw experience. But for the serpent I slot my magicka dump on my overload bar which works just fine

Oooh clever!

Dymence · September 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

VMA gives 189 spell damage. Aether gives 129 spell damage from set bonus and another 348 spell damage for 5 seconds every 10 seconds (or 174 average). This means that with aether front bar you gain 174 + 129 - 189 = 114 spell damage AND get to keep the vMA enchant:)

Yeah but the 348 spell damage enchant proc buffs your entire character and not just the bar, meaning you take it with you when you swap back to your vMA staff. Surely this brings you more damage? The uptime on the spell damage enchant should be roughly if not entirely the same, since you have to swap to the backbar for liquid every 10s anyways.

Izaki · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

Why not back bar the shield then...? Instead of say inner light?

Dymence · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

Why not back bar the shield then...? Instead of say inner light?

Not worth it tbh considering you have to have your execute there and your weaves from that bar aren't a small part of your dps either.

Foxic · September 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

Why not back bar the shield then...? Instead of say inner light?

Inner light and spell pots are bugged.

If you pop a potion that has spell critical on a bar that has inner light, the potion doesn't give major prophecy at all since you already have it. So if you switch to your backbar without inner light you will have no critical bonus even if you just popped a potion

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

VMA gives 189 spell damage. Aether gives 129 spell damage from set bonus and another 348 spell damage for 5 seconds every 10 seconds (or 174 average). This means that with aether front bar you gain 174 + 129 - 189 = 114 spell damage AND get to keep the vMA enchant:)

Yeah but the 348 spell damage enchant proc buffs your entire character and not just the bar, meaning you take it with you when you swap back to your vMA staff. Surely this brings you more damage? The uptime on the spell damage enchant should be roughly if not entirely the same, since you have to swap to the backbar for liquid every 10s anyways.

That would be true except you are on your back bar a lot less than your front bar, so you take a great chance of:
1. Not proccing the back bar enchantment
2. Losing 1 second put of 5 to bar swapping etc...

Izaki · September 2016

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

In your set-up, the Spell Damage enchantment only lasts for 5 seconds so by the time your bar swap to your front bar it will only have like 2-3 seconds left.

That's irrelevant as you're weaving and your dots continue ticking anyways, which is your main source of damage.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So @hedna123b14_ESO what do you think will be the better set-up? Scathing/TBS + Ilambris + Aether or Scathing + TBS? I heard we get Scathing and Spell Power Cure in jewelry now.

I think the best in slot setup will be 5tbs or scathing, 2 ilambris, 4 aether and maelstrom backbar.

Using scathing jewelry is worth testing but I doubt it's worth losing minor slayer, ilambris and the other aether bonuses

For sure vMA back bar and Aether front bar if ur running staff staff

Why is this? vMA staff provides a bigger spell damage bonus than the aether 4 piece bonus you get with the staff, and since you're swapping bars often enough to proc the spell damage enchant on the aether staff, you should win out with having vMA staff on main and aether on offbar.

The rotation is a lot nicer having curse on your frontbar. Liquid light and flame blockade line up perfectly together and can continue to be applied during execute with ease

You see, I love this build, I really do. But it's problematic in the places where it really counts. Running the curse build means you can't have a shield slotted on Vmol HM which is an absolute must, and you also can't slot a magicka drain for the serpent.

Because of this I tend to overall run without curse, having VMA staff on mainbar and having a beast trap/flame clench/prox det/shield flex spot.

Why not back bar the shield then...? Instead of say inner light?

Inner light and spell pots are bugged.

If you pop a potion that has spell critical on a bar that has inner light, the potion doesn't give major prophecy at all since you already have it. So if you switch to your backbar without inner light you will have no critical bonus even if you just popped a potion

Oh so that's what the bug is. I didn't know that. What if you take your pot on the back bar? Will swapping over to your front bar erase that spell pot major prophecy?