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Why Kena Set is Horrible
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭So its an addon glitch showing that Ultimates can go UP to 200%? If not, since we can't cast them twice, for 100% each, and all the points are used up in one go. What is the benefits of having it go up to 200%...
I can easily cast it at 100%...
no kena 100/100= 100%
kena proc 100/133=75%
So if I get 133/133= 100%
However, why can ultimate go up to 266/133= 200%? What is the benefits?
Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!0 -
NyPetiwowp✭✭So I was sitting around proc-ing kena like child and went to go hit my ultimate...Nothing happend... I was like hmm I could swear this thing had 100 % just before using kena... So then I waited until it went up to 100. Proc'ed Kena and then the ultimate went down 25-35%... After that I went to the nearest bench and turned Kena into some useful grain solvents...
So what does this mean? Although it does not say on the set KENA
1. INCREASES STAM/MAG COST OF SKILLS
2. (what it doesnt say) TAKES YOUR ULTIMATE POINTS DOWN A GOOD CHUNK!!
You know I went to go farm that new set with weapon damage ;-D. In fact I realized once I got rid of KENA my dps went up 2X...
Don't bother farming Kena.. its not worth it...
omg l2p issue plsEdited by NyPetiwowp on September 12, 2016 12:25PM4 -
pretzl✭✭✭✭So its an addon glitch showing that Ultimates can go UP to 200%? If not, since we can't cast them twice, for 100% each, and all the points are used up in one go. What is the benefits of having it go up to 200%...
I can easily cast it at 100%...
no kena 100/100= 100%
kena proc 100/133=75%
So if I get 133/133= 100%
However, why can ultimate go up to 266/133= 200%? What is the benefits?
Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
That's not the case.
In ESO, you can store up to 1493(?) ultimate in total. This is to make ultimates like Overload worthwhile. Having 500% ultimate on your dawnbreaker doesn't grant any benefits.
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
No, there's no benefit in accumulating ultimates beyond the actual cost of the ultimate you've slotted.
Yes good players optimize their output by using their ultimate as soon as it hits 100%. Ultimate timing is part of every efficient rotation.
(And please stop shouting, thank you !)
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So its an addon glitch showing that Ultimates can go UP to 200%? If not, since we can't cast them twice, for 100% each, and all the points are used up in one go. What is the benefits of having it go up to 200%...
I can easily cast it at 100%...
no kena 100/100= 100%
kena proc 100/133=75%
So if I get 133/133= 100%
However, why can ultimate go up to 266/133= 200%? What is the benefits?
Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
Use ultimates when you need them. In vMA, I've dropped many a 800% dawnbreaker that did more good than 7 earlier ones used on things other than the crematorial guard, for example.0 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
No, there's no benefit in accumulating ultimates beyond the actual cost of the ultimate you've slotted.
Yes good players optimize their output by using their ultimate as soon as it hits 100%. Ultimate timing is part of every efficient rotation.
(And please stop shouting, thank you !)
Sorry just got out from playing skyrim...0 -
GeneralPardon✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
No, there's no benefit in accumulating ultimates beyond the actual cost of the ultimate you've slotted.
Yes good players optimize their output by using their ultimate as soon as it hits 100%. Ultimate timing is part of every efficient rotation.
(And please stop shouting, thank you !)
Sorry just got out from playing skyrim...
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✭✭✭✭✭@LuxLunae I think you already have the answer to your original question. The cost increase is across all resource.
As for the Ulti Meter, once lit you do the same damage no matter how strong the charge. The meter is due to different Ulti's having different costs, AND Overload works as a meter, each attack drains a little and you can toggle it on/off.
All other Ultis use it all in one hit. So use it as you need it!Xbox One | EU | EP
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So its an addon glitch showing that Ultimates can go UP to 200%? If not, since we can't cast them twice, for 100% each, and all the points are used up in one go. What is the benefits of having it go up to 200%...
I can easily cast it at 100%...
no kena 100/100= 100%
kena proc 100/133=75%
So if I get 133/133= 100%
However, why can ultimate go up to 266/133= 200%? What is the benefits?
Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
That's not the case.
In ESO, you can store up to 1493(?) ultimate in total. This is to make ultimates like Overload worthwhile. Having 500% ultimate on your dawnbreaker doesn't grant any benefits.
Use it as fast as it hits 100%.
You can store 1000 ultimate which is around 1400% of the activation cost of overload ^^Edited by Destruent on September 12, 2016 12:42PMNoobplar1 -
Cryptical✭✭✭✭✭
✭So its an addon glitch showing that Ultimates can go UP to 200%? If not, since we can't cast them twice, for 100% each, and all the points are used up in one go. What is the benefits of having it go up to 200%...
I can easily cast it at 100%...
no kena 100/100= 100%
kena proc 100/133=75%
So if I get 133/133= 100%
However, why can ultimate go up to 266/133= 200%? What is the benefits?
Should I just always use ultimates once I hit 100%?
Honestly I thought that the higher the percentage the stronger the ultimate. IF that is NOT the case PLEASE TELL ME I'd like to be corrected QUICK!!
It's not s glitch.
Ultimate is a barrel you fill up with points, one by one. The barrel holds 1000 points.
Most ultimate abilities blow up the barrel all at once - kaboom. Some ultimate abilities need 200 points to go kaboom, some need as few as 75 points to go kaboom.
Some ultimate abilities, such as sorcerer overload, take those points from the barrel bit by bit, slowly draining instead of a kaboom.
Again...
The border around the box is just a gauge telling you "when can I use it again?"
The base game has a place to turn on your ultimate number. Go do that.Xbox NA0 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭increase in cost is way too high, simply not worth it imo and procing it wastes like 2 seconds anyway with light attacks.
Get those 2 seconds along with the 6 seconds of the proc. The total of those 8 seconds is definitely less than the overall damage you would have done attacking normally imo and you'll atleast still have good resources afterwards.
Over rated set. 1 piece is very good though.0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭increase in cost is way too high, simply not worth it imo and procing it wastes like 2 seconds anyway with light attacks.
Get those 2 seconds along with the 6 seconds of the proc. The total of those 8 seconds is definitely less than the overall damage you would have done attacking normally imo and you'll atleast still have good resources afterwards.
Over rated set. 1 piece is very good though.
You can procc it with öight attack --> skill --> light attack if you use destro, bow or if you activate a synergy between the light attacks....
It's definetely a DPS gain if you can sustain it. If you can't your Group-Support is just bad and needs to be improved
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭increase in cost is way too high, simply not worth it imo and procing it wastes like 2 seconds anyway with light attacks.
Get those 2 seconds along with the 6 seconds of the proc. The total of those 8 seconds is definitely less than the overall damage you would have done attacking normally imo and you'll atleast still have good resources afterwards.
Over rated set. 1 piece is very good though.
You can procc it with öight attack --> skill --> light attack if you use destro, bow or if you activate a synergy between the light attacks....
It's definetely a DPS gain if you can sustain it. If you can't your Group-Support is just bad and needs to be improved
Er...from what I tested, you need to throw two consecutive light attacks. And I don't think the statement about having a group support be the blame of your resource issues are strictly true...0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »increase in cost is way too high, simply not worth it imo and procing it wastes like 2 seconds anyway with light attacks.
Get those 2 seconds along with the 6 seconds of the proc. The total of those 8 seconds is definitely less than the overall damage you would have done attacking normally imo and you'll atleast still have good resources afterwards.
Over rated set. 1 piece is very good though.
You can procc it with öight attack --> skill --> light attack if you use destro, bow or if you activate a synergy between the light attacks....
It's definetely a DPS gain if you can sustain it. If you can't your Group-Support is just bad and needs to be improved
Er...from what I tested, you need to throw two consecutive light attacks. And I don't think the statement about having a group support be the blame of your resource issues are strictly true...
Kena is sustainable if you get enough group support and you can procc it with light attack weaving. we do it all day in raids/dungeons...Noobplar0 -
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✭✭✭✭With old sets getting jewelry and weapons as well, there will be some nice alternatives to the classical 3 x Willpower + 2 x Kena. For example 5 x Julianos/Twice Born Star + 5 x Scathing Mage/Burning Spellwave + 1 x KenaBeta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »increase in cost is way too high, simply not worth it imo and procing it wastes like 2 seconds anyway with light attacks.
Get those 2 seconds along with the 6 seconds of the proc. The total of those 8 seconds is definitely less than the overall damage you would have done attacking normally imo and you'll atleast still have good resources afterwards.
Over rated set. 1 piece is very good though.
You can procc it with öight attack --> skill --> light attack if you use destro, bow or if you activate a synergy between the light attacks....
It's definetely a DPS gain if you can sustain it. If you can't your Group-Support is just bad and needs to be improved
Er...from what I tested, you need to throw two consecutive light attacks. And I don't think the statement about having a group support be the blame of your resource issues are strictly true...
It most definitely procs from weaving (at least with destro/resto) Your testing is wrong.
And yes, sustain for the group is kinda one of the healers responsibility by applying siphon spirit and elemental drain or by throwing a spear shard if needed for stam DDs and tanks.Edited by Wollust on September 12, 2016 3:15PMSusano'o
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✭✭✭Kena is a joke. Was good before, now it's just worth to run one piece of it.#VMATOKENSYSTEM #WEAPONDYE #TRAITCHANGE #CROWNCRATELOVER- Alliance/Platform: Aldemerii - PS4/NA - CP 800+
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TheDarkRuler✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about making Kena a good sustain set?
That hitting light/heavy 2 times give the bonus and REDUCING the costs by 33%.
It still is behind other high-dmg sets like Velidreth/Grothgar.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TBH, Kena is overrated. I don't know why people get so excited about it showing up at the vendor.Yep, I know, all monster sets drop in any weight and any trait (except impenetrable now, which can only be bought from the merchant in Cyrodiil). If you're using Kena you are most likely a DD. If you are using mettle and want to optimize the stats, head & shoulders should be either light or medium and only the chest heavy. If you don't have yet a monster piece of those weights, and the heavy one is the only you can use until the right one drops, it's fine.
@Asardes The difference between heavy chest + light shoulders and light chest + heavy shoulders is just a few hundred resistance points. It's less than 1% damage mitigation. Most importantly, this extra mitigation doesn't affect your DPS at all.
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bryanhaas✭✭✭✭So I was sitting around proc-ing kena like child and went to go hit my ultimate...Nothing happend... I was like hmm I could swear this thing had 100 % just before using kena... So then I waited until it went up to 100. Proc'ed Kena and then the ultimate went down 25-35%... After that I went to the nearest bench and turned Kena into some useful grain solvents...
So what does this mean? Although it does not say on the set KENA
1. INCREASES STAM/MAG COST OF SKILLS
2. (what it doesnt say) TAKES YOUR ULTIMATE POINTS DOWN A GOOD CHUNK!!
You know I went to go farm that new set with weapon damage ;-D. In fact I realized once I got rid of KENA my dps went up 2X...
Don't bother farming Kena.. its not worth it...
Yes it takes your ultimate down... And? Learn to use it and you will be fine. I do tons of dps with it. You need to plan ahead, work it into your rotation and know when to proc it and when not to.PS4 NA AD GM formerly known as GM of "The Children of the Void"
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pro Tip: Use Kena 2pc as a Werewolf
Also don't rely heavily on WW Abilities while it's procced
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Capsaica✭✭✭Once upon a time...
There were also dynamic ultimates. They had a fixed base cost as they do now, but the became more powerful when you had more ultimate. It really made timing your ultimates a tremendous game-changer.
This was before monster sets, champion points, and that thrice-cursed lighting patch.
Kena can be quite useful but must be managed carefully. Nightblades have it easiest, IMO, for using this set with siphoning strikes active. If you are running trials or dungeons with it, your group (as others have said) can help with your resource management.
@Destruent, to answer your question about:
@Asardes was referencing the OP's comment that they deconned their gear to get some useful grain solvents. If they got grain solvents, it came from heavy armor.
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Skitttles✭✭✭✭It decreases Ult because it's cost has increased. It makes perfect sense lolEdited by Skitttles on September 12, 2016 5:36PMSkittles | DC Stem Sok and sumtimes Nertbled0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Pro Tip: Use Kena 2pc as a Werewolf
Also don't rely heavily on WW Abilities while it's procced
AWESOME !!!
Just love this one... well done ! :-)
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Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheDarkRuler wrote: »How about making Kena a good sustain set?
That hitting light/heavy 2 times give the bonus and REDUCING the costs by 33%.
It still is behind other high-dmg sets like Velidreth/Grothgar.
That would be the most op 2 piece by a mile.
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheDarkRuler wrote: »How about making Kena a good sustain set?
That hitting light/heavy 2 times give the bonus and REDUCING the costs by 33%.
It still is behind other high-dmg sets like Velidreth/Grothgar.
That would be the most op 2 piece by a mile.
Pls change it that way, my templar would be happy Noobplar0
