Sorcs are not dead but playing a stationary sorc like in the video makes em dead for most players.
It's easy to play a powerful mine camper in a duel while keeping the shields up but you will barely find a situation like this in open pvp.

Good players will not let you move left or right around your mines and they will not make you streak through your mines when they come closer either. They kite you and if you don't move they leave and look for kills somewhere else instead wasting their time with a sorc playing stationary ping pong. It's actually the most boring thing how to play a Sorc.

The sorc in the footage demonstrates the spamming shield dependency, the root of evil because the defense turned into a spamming requirement for most casual sorcs by ignoring that this gives your opponents a lot of time for even more pressure. Unfortunately his dueling partner was not very good.

However as a Sorc you really want more control of a fight , not gonna happen if you keep on staying on a support bar packed with shields to spam them. A Sorc must learn to play more aggressive to counter all the pressure nowadays. It makes no sense to chill at mines while spamming shields because it's way to passive and brings you nowhere vs. good players.

To make a Sorc or player look good with this video is a pretty bad idea.

mtwiggz wrote: »

Magicka Sorc is far from dead. I play mostly Magicka Sorc in PvP and PvE alike. Very successful and very fun. The doom and gloom comes from FOTM players who were never good at the class and only rolled it due to some YouTube videos they watched.

All in all stamina based builds are just stronger all around.

Well it's dead for many players because of this reason.

Especially casuals are being forced to play a very passive and defensive styles to survive.
The reality is that spamming shields has a lot todo with changes to incoming physical damage.
It keeps mag sorcs busy to deal with the pressure and barely find a way to gain control over a fight.

And the cause is not the shield duration nerf , the cause is that physical damage is out of control.

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

Is this a bad joke @Anti_Virus ?

What you posted here is very stupid. This type of generalization is absolutely atrocious to class balance right now. You beat around some random Stamina builds.... testing new gear.... in a 1v1.... on a PTS! It means literally nothing.

So if I go and get rekt on a Stamina Templar when 1v1ing a Mag Sorc, and it happens multiple times, it is concrete evidence we must buff Stamina Templar asap? Maybe even nerf Mag Sorc because I was beaten so easily? You tell me. That is what you just posted about.

What I know, is that I've slaughtered all but a few Magicka Sorcs I've encountered since Dark Brotherhood launched, versus my own Magicka Sorc. My gear is far from optimal and is tailored to 1vX rather than 1v1. When the situation is this clear that Mag Sorc needs help, it honestly triggers me that ignorant players like yourself make pointless threads like this.

Understand the situation before you make a post like this.

This wasn't me playing but some else that recorded gameplay on PTS.

The post is supposed to show that sorcs aren't bad, The pts is usually a template for the next BiS gear and FoTM builds and if a mSorc can compete well with all the nerfs the class is fine. Even though people complain about the Destro staff ult this guy still managed to use it so effectively in PVP.

Secondly he didn't have sustain issues magic or stamina and had high dmg killing even tanky DKs with no problem so I fail to see that particular iusse that is argued.

mSorcs could use some fine tunning with their ultimates, pets and toggles and maybe a class spammable so you can use other weapons but that's it sorcs are fine. Someone else in this thread posted a mSorc dominating in 1xV on live so that's proof enough. If you have issues with your sorc I don't know what to say this guys did well with his.

Don't understand the rage you threw at me but next time be more constructive.

Bromburak wrote: »

Sorcs are not dead but playing a stationary sorc like in the video makes em dead for most players.
It's easy to play a powerful mine camper in a duel while keeping the shields up but you will barely find a situation like this in open pvp.

Good players will not let you move left or right around your mines and they will not make you streak through your mines when they come closer either. They kite you and if you don't move they leave and look for kills somewhere else instead wasting their time with a sorc playing stationary ping pong. It's actually the most boring thing how to play a Sorc.

The sorc in the footage demonstrates the spamming shield dependency, the root of evil because the defense turned into a spamming requirement for most casual sorcs by ignoring that this gives your opponents a lot of time for even more pressure. Unfortunately his dueling partner was not very good.

However as a Sorc you really want more control of a fight , not gonna happen if you keep on staying on a support bar packed with shields to spam them. A Sorc must learn to play more aggressive to counter all the pressure nowadays. It makes no sense to chill at mines while spamming shields because it's way to passive and brings you nowhere vs. good players.

To make a Sorc or player look good with this video is a pretty bad idea.

Someone posted a video of a mSorc 1vXing in this thread. He was doing fine.

PVP : sorc are good on Duel. okay

PVE : sorc are good on Easy dungeon because they can burst the boss with their overload . BUT on raid ... he is not the ... best magicka dps

Pandorii wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

Is this a bad joke @Anti_Virus ?

What you posted here is very stupid. This type of generalization is absolutely atrocious to class balance right now. You beat around some random Stamina builds.... testing new gear.... in a 1v1.... on a PTS! It means literally nothing.

So if I go and get rekt on a Stamina Templar when 1v1ing a Mag Sorc, and it happens multiple times, it is concrete evidence we must buff Stamina Templar asap? Maybe even nerf Mag Sorc because I was beaten so easily? You tell me. That is what you just posted about.

What I know, is that I've slaughtered all but a few Magicka Sorcs I've encountered since Dark Brotherhood launched, versus my own Magicka Sorc. My gear is far from optimal and is tailored to 1vX rather than 1v1. When the situation is this clear that Mag Sorc needs help, it honestly triggers me that ignorant players like yourself make pointless threads like this.

Understand the situation before you make a post like this.

Please don't attack @Anti_Virus. It was just a framing issue, and he/she politely made that evident in the comments to people's critique. I too made that same mistake, but only because I was heated. I shouldn't have taken that out on the OP.

Magicka people are a little jaded right now with the way devs have treated them last patch and the next. I'm with you all. OP is clearly with us to, and he/she is fighting to make the best out of a forgotten class. If anything, maybe OP could change his/her title to "making the best out of Mag Sorc" or "at least mag Sorc can duel."

Did you see wrobel's post about the destro ultimate? He said he would keep the cost but buff the dmg, which I think is dumb.

He also stated that he would buff soul strike.

I honestly think destro ult should be changed to a single target magic builds have tons of AoE already.

Vaoh wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

Is this a bad joke @Anti_Virus ?

What you posted here is very stupid. This type of generalization is absolutely atrocious to class balance right now. You beat around some random Stamina builds.... testing new gear.... in a 1v1.... on a PTS! It means literally nothing.

So if I go and get rekt on a Stamina Templar when 1v1ing a Mag Sorc, and it happens multiple times, it is concrete evidence we must buff Stamina Templar asap? Maybe even nerf Mag Sorc because I was beaten so easily? You tell me. That is what you just posted about.

What I know, is that I've slaughtered all but a few Magicka Sorcs I've encountered since Dark Brotherhood launched, versus my own Magicka Sorc. My gear is far from optimal and is tailored to 1vX rather than 1v1. When the situation is this clear that Mag Sorc needs help, it honestly triggers me that ignorant players like yourself make pointless threads like this.

Understand the situation before you make a post like this.

Please don't attack @Anti_Virus. It was just a framing issue, and he/she politely made that evident in the comments to people's critique. I too made that same mistake, but only because I was heated. I shouldn't have taken that out on the OP.

Magicka people are a little jaded right now with the way devs have treated them last patch and the next. I'm with you all. OP is clearly with us to, and he/she is fighting to make the best out of a forgotten class. If anything, maybe OP could change his/her title to "making the best out of Mag Sorc" or "at least mag Sorc can duel."

I think the OP definitely should.

Very heated that a thread like this was created. Even played out the Destruction Staff Ultimate to be some sort of equally powerful skill in its current state to the other Weapon Ults. I legitimately could not tell if they were oblivious to balance or were trolling the Forums.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Sorcs are not dead but playing a stationary sorc like in the video makes em dead for most players.
It's easy to play a powerful mine camper in a duel while keeping the shields up but you will barely find a situation like this in open pvp.

Good players will not let you move left or right around your mines and they will not make you streak through your mines when they come closer either. They kite you and if you don't move they leave and look for kills somewhere else instead wasting their time with a sorc playing stationary ping pong. It's actually the most boring thing how to play a Sorc.

The sorc in the footage demonstrates the spamming shield dependency, the root of evil because the defense turned into a spamming requirement for most casual sorcs by ignoring that this gives your opponents a lot of time for even more pressure. Unfortunately his dueling partner was not very good.

However as a Sorc you really want more control of a fight , not gonna happen if you keep on staying on a support bar packed with shields to spam them. A Sorc must learn to play more aggressive to counter all the pressure nowadays. It makes no sense to chill at mines while spamming shields because it's way to passive and brings you nowhere vs. good players.

To make a Sorc or player look good with this video is a pretty bad idea.

Someone posted a video of a mSorc 1vXing in this thread. He was doing fine.

And statements like this make it impossible to take @Anti_Virus serious anymore.

- I 1vXed 4 Stamina Nightblades on a Mag Sorc. Clearly time to buff Stam NB.

- I got killed by the Mantikora when I tried to solo it on Vet. Died three times in a row. Plz nerf! Way too OP!

- Destruction Staff Ult just killed someone totally in a great place #perfectbalance

- My Mag Sorc 1vXes. Nerf Magicka Sorcerer.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mine is playable in pvp but it could be much better, it outclassed by every other spec but magic dk.

This video isn't indicative of anything because PTS duels are not competitive. These folks are all trying out different gear and skill combination to see what they end up liking the best and it's more about testing things out then being ultra competitive for most. A lot of these builds are not optimal because folks are testing out different stuff finding what works and what don't.

When things go live and folks have their builds figured out (somethings could be changed or nerfed before this goes live) then we will have a better idea where things stand

You do have a point once people finalize pts testing and BiS gear is selected we will see where classes stand, however what I was trying to convey here is that mSorcs aren't as bad as people make it sound.

The sorc in the video utilized the destro ultimate exceptionally despised the numerous thread posts claiming that is sucks.

Also the shield duration problems and stamina problems seemed no existent in the video so the question is what are some sorca doing wrong?

I don't mean to be rude or say "L2P" but the guy in the vid is doing good with his sorc even with all the nerfs the class has received.

.

I do ok on my Sorc despite its issues just like a few mag dk do well inspite of their classes short comings....but other classes are simply stronger then sorcs minus the magic dk...put a Stam blade, Stam DK, Stam Templar, or even Stam Sorc in the hands of any magic Sorc player and they just got the equivalent of a Tanooki Suit power up

^^^This is the current situation. I'd see it fixed asap. Not just the buffing of Mag Sorc (and MASSIVE buffs to their irrelevant Pets ) but also some way to bring down Stamina in general from being so powerful.

This was taken out of context. If you can 1vX 4 stam nbs then the what do you need buffed? You clearly ultize your class correctly and have no probelms. Although the class needs some balance it's not as bad as you think especially if you can 1vX 4 stam "meta blades:

If you're trying to argue that a sorc should be able to solo vet Manikora then that us the crux if the problem with mSorcs no class should be solo a vet boss.

The Destro ult isn't great but the person in the vid managed to use it effectively. So why don't you give it a try?

Edit: if you think mSorcs are bad just remeber that you are better off than a bow primary build which has to rely soley on ganking to be effective anything else is useless. At least sorcs can duel and 1vX with a staff.

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

Is this a bad joke @Anti_Virus ?

What you posted here is very stupid. This type of generalization is absolutely atrocious to class balance right now. You beat around some random Stamina builds.... testing new gear.... in a 1v1.... on a PTS! It means literally nothing.

So if I go and get rekt on a Stamina Templar when 1v1ing a Mag Sorc, and it happens multiple times, it is concrete evidence we must buff Stamina Templar asap? Maybe even nerf Mag Sorc because I was beaten so easily? You tell me. That is what you just posted about.

What I know, is that I've slaughtered all but a few Magicka Sorcs I've encountered since Dark Brotherhood launched, versus my own Magicka Sorc. My gear is far from optimal and is tailored to 1vX rather than 1v1. When the situation is this clear that Mag Sorc needs help, it honestly triggers me that ignorant players like yourself make pointless threads like this.

Understand the situation before you make a post like this.

Please don't attack @Anti_Virus. It was just a framing issue, and he/she politely made that evident in the comments to people's critique. I too made that same mistake, but only because I was heated. I shouldn't have taken that out on the OP.

Magicka people are a little jaded right now with the way devs have treated them last patch and the next. I'm with you all. OP is clearly with us to, and he/she is fighting to make the best out of a forgotten class. If anything, maybe OP could change his/her title to "making the best out of Mag Sorc" or "at least mag Sorc can duel."

I think the OP definitely should.

Very heated that a thread like this was created. Even played out the Destruction Staff Ultimate to be some sort of equally powerful skill in its current state to the other Weapon Ults. I legitimately could not tell if they were oblivious to balance or were trolling the Forums.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Sorcs are not dead but playing a stationary sorc like in the video makes em dead for most players.
It's easy to play a powerful mine camper in a duel while keeping the shields up but you will barely find a situation like this in open pvp.

Good players will not let you move left or right around your mines and they will not make you streak through your mines when they come closer either. They kite you and if you don't move they leave and look for kills somewhere else instead wasting their time with a sorc playing stationary ping pong. It's actually the most boring thing how to play a Sorc.

The sorc in the footage demonstrates the spamming shield dependency, the root of evil because the defense turned into a spamming requirement for most casual sorcs by ignoring that this gives your opponents a lot of time for even more pressure. Unfortunately his dueling partner was not very good.

However as a Sorc you really want more control of a fight , not gonna happen if you keep on staying on a support bar packed with shields to spam them. A Sorc must learn to play more aggressive to counter all the pressure nowadays. It makes no sense to chill at mines while spamming shields because it's way to passive and brings you nowhere vs. good players.

To make a Sorc or player look good with this video is a pretty bad idea.

Someone posted a video of a mSorc 1vXing in this thread. He was doing fine.

And statements like this make it impossible to take @Anti_Virus serious anymore.

- I 1vXed 4 Stamina Nightblades on a Mag Sorc. Clearly time to buff Stam NB.

- I got killed by the Mantikora when I tried to solo it on Vet. Died three times in a row. Plz nerf! Way too OP!

- Destruction Staff Ult just killed someone totally in a great place #perfectbalance

- My Mag Sorc 1vXes. Nerf Magicka Sorcerer.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mine is playable in pvp but it could be much better, it outclassed by every other spec but magic dk.

This video isn't indicative of anything because PTS duels are not competitive. These folks are all trying out different gear and skill combination to see what they end up liking the best and it's more about testing things out then being ultra competitive for most. A lot of these builds are not optimal because folks are testing out different stuff finding what works and what don't.

When things go live and folks have their builds figured out (somethings could be changed or nerfed before this goes live) then we will have a better idea where things stand

You do have a point once people finalize pts testing and BiS gear is selected we will see where classes stand, however what I was trying to convey here is that mSorcs aren't as bad as people make it sound.

The sorc in the video utilized the destro ultimate exceptionally despised the numerous thread posts claiming that is sucks.

Also the shield duration problems and stamina problems seemed no existent in the video so the question is what are some sorca doing wrong?

I don't mean to be rude or say "L2P" but the guy in the vid is doing good with his sorc even with all the nerfs the class has received.

.

I do ok on my Sorc despite its issues just like a few mag dk do well inspite of their classes short comings....but other classes are simply stronger then sorcs minus the magic dk...put a Stam blade, Stam DK, Stam Templar, or even Stam Sorc in the hands of any magic Sorc player and they just got the equivalent of a Tanooki Suit power up

^^^This is the current situation. I'd see it fixed asap. Not just the buffing of Mag Sorc (and MASSIVE buffs to their irrelevant Pets ) but also some way to bring down Stamina in general from being so powerful.

This was taken out of context. If you can 1vX 4 stam nbs then the what do you need buffed? You clearly ultize your class correctly and have no probelms. Although the class needs some balance it's not as bad as you think especially if you can 1vX 4 stam "meta blades:

If you're trying to argue that a sorc should be able to solo vet Manikora then that us the crux if the problem with mSorcs no class should be solo a vet boss.

The Destro ult isn't great but the person in the vid managed to use it effectively. So why don't you give it a try?

Edit: if you think mSorcs are bad just remeber that you are better off than a bow primary build which has to rely soley on ganking to be effective anything else is useless. At least sorcs can duel and 1vX with a staff.

Did you just take my four "example" scenarios seriously?

They were written to show off horrible logic.... the same logic you've used to make out Mag Sorcs as being totally fine

And saying that an entire class spec is a least not as bad as a pure Bow Stam build, is really, really sad lol. This is literally one of the worst justifications I have heard in all my time playing ESO for why a Class Spec isn't underperforming.

If you want to play like that, then I recommend taking a look at Pet Sorcs, arguably the absolute worst possible build.

Pro Tip: 1v1s don't decide class balance. All scenarios must be taken into account.

Its a bow spec because the game doesn't have a hunter/ranger class.

Bow is the only ranged stamina skill line in the game. So you make do with what you got.

And peta sorc builds are viable just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean it sucks the class was built around pets, while archers have to rely on one skill line since the classes go like this:

Templar= Holy knight

Dk= Tank dps

Sorc= glass cannon pet ranged dps

NB= melee glass cannon dps

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

Is this a bad joke @Anti_Virus ?

What you posted here is very stupid. This type of generalization is absolutely atrocious to class balance right now. You beat around some random Stamina builds.... testing new gear.... in a 1v1.... on a PTS! It means literally nothing.

So if I go and get rekt on a Stamina Templar when 1v1ing a Mag Sorc, and it happens multiple times, it is concrete evidence we must buff Stamina Templar asap? Maybe even nerf Mag Sorc because I was beaten so easily? You tell me. That is what you just posted about.

What I know, is that I've slaughtered all but a few Magicka Sorcs I've encountered since Dark Brotherhood launched, versus my own Magicka Sorc. My gear is far from optimal and is tailored to 1vX rather than 1v1. When the situation is this clear that Mag Sorc needs help, it honestly triggers me that ignorant players like yourself make pointless threads like this.

Understand the situation before you make a post like this.

Please don't attack @Anti_Virus. It was just a framing issue, and he/she politely made that evident in the comments to people's critique. I too made that same mistake, but only because I was heated. I shouldn't have taken that out on the OP.

Magicka people are a little jaded right now with the way devs have treated them last patch and the next. I'm with you all. OP is clearly with us to, and he/she is fighting to make the best out of a forgotten class. If anything, maybe OP could change his/her title to "making the best out of Mag Sorc" or "at least mag Sorc can duel."

I think the OP definitely should.

Very heated that a thread like this was created. Even played out the Destruction Staff Ultimate to be some sort of equally powerful skill in its current state to the other Weapon Ults. I legitimately could not tell if they were oblivious to balance or were trolling the Forums.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Sorcs are not dead but playing a stationary sorc like in the video makes em dead for most players.
It's easy to play a powerful mine camper in a duel while keeping the shields up but you will barely find a situation like this in open pvp.

Good players will not let you move left or right around your mines and they will not make you streak through your mines when they come closer either. They kite you and if you don't move they leave and look for kills somewhere else instead wasting their time with a sorc playing stationary ping pong. It's actually the most boring thing how to play a Sorc.

The sorc in the footage demonstrates the spamming shield dependency, the root of evil because the defense turned into a spamming requirement for most casual sorcs by ignoring that this gives your opponents a lot of time for even more pressure. Unfortunately his dueling partner was not very good.

However as a Sorc you really want more control of a fight , not gonna happen if you keep on staying on a support bar packed with shields to spam them. A Sorc must learn to play more aggressive to counter all the pressure nowadays. It makes no sense to chill at mines while spamming shields because it's way to passive and brings you nowhere vs. good players.

To make a Sorc or player look good with this video is a pretty bad idea.

Someone posted a video of a mSorc 1vXing in this thread. He was doing fine.

And statements like this make it impossible to take @Anti_Virus serious anymore.

- I 1vXed 4 Stamina Nightblades on a Mag Sorc. Clearly time to buff Stam NB.

- I got killed by the Mantikora when I tried to solo it on Vet. Died three times in a row. Plz nerf! Way too OP!

- Destruction Staff Ult just killed someone totally in a great place #perfectbalance

- My Mag Sorc 1vXes. Nerf Magicka Sorcerer.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Mine is playable in pvp but it could be much better, it outclassed by every other spec but magic dk.

This video isn't indicative of anything because PTS duels are not competitive. These folks are all trying out different gear and skill combination to see what they end up liking the best and it's more about testing things out then being ultra competitive for most. A lot of these builds are not optimal because folks are testing out different stuff finding what works and what don't.

When things go live and folks have their builds figured out (somethings could be changed or nerfed before this goes live) then we will have a better idea where things stand

You do have a point once people finalize pts testing and BiS gear is selected we will see where classes stand, however what I was trying to convey here is that mSorcs aren't as bad as people make it sound.

The sorc in the video utilized the destro ultimate exceptionally despised the numerous thread posts claiming that is sucks.

Also the shield duration problems and stamina problems seemed no existent in the video so the question is what are some sorca doing wrong?

I don't mean to be rude or say "L2P" but the guy in the vid is doing good with his sorc even with all the nerfs the class has received.

.

I do ok on my Sorc despite its issues just like a few mag dk do well inspite of their classes short comings....but other classes are simply stronger then sorcs minus the magic dk...put a Stam blade, Stam DK, Stam Templar, or even Stam Sorc in the hands of any magic Sorc player and they just got the equivalent of a Tanooki Suit power up

^^^This is the current situation. I'd see it fixed asap. Not just the buffing of Mag Sorc (and MASSIVE buffs to their irrelevant Pets ) but also some way to bring down Stamina in general from being so powerful.

This was taken out of context. If you can 1vX 4 stam nbs then the what do you need buffed? You clearly ultize your class correctly and have no probelms. Although the class needs some balance it's not as bad as you think especially if you can 1vX 4 stam "meta blades:

If you're trying to argue that a sorc should be able to solo vet Manikora then that us the crux if the problem with mSorcs no class should be solo a vet boss.

The Destro ult isn't great but the person in the vid managed to use it effectively. So why don't you give it a try?

Edit: if you think mSorcs are bad just remeber that you are better off than a bow primary build which has to rely soley on ganking to be effective anything else is useless. At least sorcs can duel and 1vX with a staff.

Did you just take my four "example" scenarios seriously?

They were written to show off horrible logic.... the same logic you've used to make out Mag Sorcs as being totally fine

And saying that an entire class spec is a least not as bad as a pure Bow Stam build, is really, really sad lol. This is literally one of the worst justifications I have heard in all my time playing ESO for why a Class Spec isn't underperforming.

If you want to play like that, then I recommend taking a look at Pet Sorcs, arguably the absolute worst possible build.

Pro Tip: 1v1s don't decide class balance. All scenarios must be taken into account.

Its a bow spec because the game doesn't have a hunter/ranger class.

Bow is the only ranged stamina skill line in the game. So you make do with what you got.

And peta sorc builds are viable just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean it sucks the class was built around pets, while archers have to rely on one skill line since the classes go like this:

Templar= Holy knight

Dk= Tank dps

Sorc= glass cannon pet ranged dps

NB= melee glass cannon dps

Soz but my magicka nb outheals everything other then a templar and is far from a glass cannon.. I think every class can do any role

Anti_Virus wrote: »

https://youtu.be/FbfLBr95RVs


Notice how this person utilizes the resto and destro staff ult nicely, he faced stam builds in this "stam meta"

He didn't have ward problems nor did he have stamina sustain issues so I really don't see how mSorcs are "dead"

The PC didn't have ward problems because none of his opponents struck with enough damage, e.g., a one-shot attack, to overpower the ward -- which is what can and does happen in Group Dungeon and Trial boss fights. I don't recall seeing him do much, if any, dodge-and-roll to avoid AoE damage (there are plenty of AoE attacks in dungeon fights of all kinds), or break free of traps, etc. Indeed, I was struck by the apparent fact that the PC never blocked an enemy attack or bashed any opponent. So he didn't have stamina "fatigue", either.

The biggest stamina problem that I've encountered is using the Dark Magic Conversion ability to restore Health and Magicka, which conflicts with having enough stamina for its other uses. Maybe using the Resto staff for self-healing avoids that problem, although the PC is using Magicka for healing instead of killing.

Which are the spells on the Restoration skill bar for the 1st, 4th, and 5th positions? I don't recognize them. It is interesting that you switch frequently between the bars to use both staves and/or their respective skills. Most players would develop the restoration skills only for a "side healing" role and seldom, if ever, use them while playing a DPS role.

In my experience thus far, there are not enough Skill Points readily available in the game to cover all of (1) the combat skills and their morphs, and (2) the crafting skill passives. For a full Resto skill set, currently the passives total 20 SP and 10 more SP for the 5 abilities and their morphs. Then there is the matter of whether to put Champion Points into Blessed.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

It means the non sorcerer diehards like myself would rather log into to other specs that are more efficient, varied, and, ultimately, less stressful to play.

Another words, you play as a magplar lol

And Stam NB. The DK and sorc are pretty good at crafting writs though.