BUG - Power lash applying CC immunity W/ video

SRIBES · September 2016

Just a little bug I found when dueling, I thought people kept using immovability potions but it turns out when you activate power lash it gives players CC immunity despite it not being a CC.

https://youtu.be/4CZvCx5_84E
Fix this ZOS.

EDIT: Apparently power lash is supposed to stun so it is a CC, BUT it is not stuning enemies, so it is still bugged.

Mustard · September 2016

They really hate magicka DK's

@Wrobel

SRIBES · September 2016

Mustard wrote: »

They really hate magicka DK's

@Wrobel

And pet sorcs, pets aren't being affected by battle spirit or whatever the duel buff is

Calboy · September 2016

I thought power lash proced a small stun?

SRIBES · September 2016

Calboy wrote: »

I thought power lash proced a small stun?

Nope

KirinBlaze · September 2016

THANKS @Wrobel MORE REASON TO LOVE MAGICKA DK.

Please fix this.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Mag dk is gonna be even more useless for the next 3 months before zos decide to look at it.

HoloYoitsu · September 2016

Glory · September 2016

GG. PLEASE FIX.

It's a buff to mDK heh.

Vaoh · September 2016

SRIBES wrote: »

Mustard wrote: »

They really hate magicka DK's

@Wrobel

And pet sorcs, pets aren't being affected by battle spirit or whatever the duel buff is

Wut?

Back up.

L2P. Get gud.

Magicka Sorc is fine. No buffs needed.

My Pets are so strong they hit every couple seconds for what my Dual Wield light attacks strike for! Almost OP!

Of course there is the ever-so slight issue of Pets not following you, or their AI getting confused, or them getting stuck, which results in them doing 0DPS..... but they are so powerful normally that it's totally forgiveable.

(I make fun out of the situation, because I legitimately believe ZOS is too ignorant of class balance to know Pet Sorcs are absolutely atrocious, despite the fantastic threads in the past on it)

SRIBES · September 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Mustard wrote: »

They really hate magicka DK's

@Wrobel

And pet sorcs, pets aren't being affected by battle spirit or whatever the duel buff is

Wut?

Back up.

L2P. Get gud.

Magicka Sorc is fine. No buffs needed.

My Pets are so strong they hit every couple seconds for what my Dual Wield light attacks strike for! Almost OP!

Of course there is the ever-so slight issue of Pets not following you, or their AI getting confused, or them getting stuck, which results in them doing 0DPS..... but they are so powerful normally that it's totally forgiveable.

(I make fun out of the situation, because I legitimately believe ZOS is too ignorant of class balance to know Pet Sorcs are absolutely atrocious, despite the fantastic threads in the past on it)

Honestly to be honest honestly I think you're right

Mustard · September 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Calboy · September 2016

SRIBES wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

I thought power lash proced a small stun?

Nope

Don't have time to log in but I'm sure if you read the tool tip power lash stuns target for 2 seconds which is what the issue might be

SRIBES · September 2016

Calboy wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

I thought power lash proced a small stun?

Nope

Don't have time to log in but I'm sure if you read the tool tip power lash stuns target for 2 seconds which is what the issue might be

Okay you're actually right. However, it isn't applying the stun, it's still bugged. I edited it into OP, thanks for catching that.

Dymence · September 2016

Look at your own video. 0:12 - 0:14. Look above the guy's head. He's stunned.

/thread

Asmael · September 2016

Dymence wrote: »

Look at your own video. 0:12 - 0:14. Look above the guy's head. He's stunned.

/thread

'tis called off-balance.

Calboy wrote: »

I thought power lash proced a small stun?

Actually it did in the past, they removed it against players, but buffed the healing part of Power Lash.

Dymence · September 2016

Asmael wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Look at your own video. 0:12 - 0:14. Look above the guy's head. He's stunned.

/thread

'tis called off-balance.

Welp, my bad then. Looks the same to me.

juhasman · September 2016

@SRIBES If You use taloons You immobilize target. When You hit immobilized target with lash he gets off ballance that allows You to hit him with 2nd free lash , but when off ballance ends target gets cc Immunity. No bug here. Without CC immunity You would be able to spam off ballance and the stun on target over and over.

Joy_Division · September 2016

Perhaps ZoS intentionally did this.

It's been forever since it was a good ability and I used it, but I recall this didn't used to have a cooldown (i.e. a it would proc whenever a target was cc/immobilized).

Then all of a sudden it would only proc once against eligible targets. Maybe ZoS in its infinite wisdom decided the way to make it such this proc would only proc once in 5 seconds was to grant a CC immunity to it, thus making it so the target would be ineligible once hit by it.

Or maybe ZoS just hates DKs.

Derra · September 2016

Can we also note that powerlash still ignores harness magica shield?

IxskullzxI · September 2016

What happens if they have cc immunity from a source that isn't whip? Say you fossilize them and let them break it, granting them cc immunity. Will it let you talons>whip>power lash? Or is it just talons>whip>whip? Either way, lash doesn't give immunity on live. I'm almost positive of that. Also, @SRIBES did you try to fossilize him after the power lash? Maybe the immunity is just a visual bug?

IxskullzxI · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

@SRIBES If You use taloons You immobilize target. When You hit immobilized target with lash he gets off ballance that allows You to hit him with 2nd free lash , but when off ballance ends target gets cc Immunity. No bug here. Without CC immunity You would be able to spam off ballance and the stun on target over and over.

I don't think that's entirely true. Right now on live, I can set somone off balance with shattering rocks and power lash. Them immediately talons, whip, and power lash again. Off balance definitely doesn't grant cc immunity.

SRIBES · September 2016

IxskullzxI wrote: »

What happens if they have cc immunity from a source that isn't whip? Say you fossilize them and let them break it, granting them cc immunity. Will it let you talons>whip>power lash? Or is it just talons>whip>whip? Either way, lash doesn't give immunity on live. I'm almost positive of that. Also, @SRIBES did you try to fossilize him after the power lash? Maybe the immunity is just a visual bug?

Yes I tried to fossilize and drain him after the power lash and it wouldn't let me and he could freely move around. There is no CC. And it's talons, whip, power lash

IxskullzxI · September 2016

So you can cc them, then get power lash, but you can't power lash then cc them? Hopefully a bug..
@ZOS_GinaBruno can you comment on this?

Wollust · September 2016

ZoS hates mag DKs

IxskullzxI · September 2016

No comment from ZoS yet either. RIP.

Armitas · September 2016

I wonder if this was their attempt to prevent off balance latching, such as with lit staffs. Where you can hit powerlash 4x in a row. Maybe they added 5 sec of off balance immunity and that is bleeding over into CC. If so I am amazed that they would fix that based on light forum mention and yet still do nothing to fix the mDK itself. In this game expect Random Showers of Development. I shouldn't have ever mentioned it on the forums or the lit heavy attacks that just got nerfed. If thats is true then I am deeply disgusted by thier time management and prioritisation.

Lit staffs and off balance is a priority, meanwhile mDK is a smoldering pile that won't be addressed until much later. Incredible.

PURPLE245 · September 2016

well on the tooltip is says you also set them off balance and then the 2nd whips stuns them for 2 secs so pretty sure a stun is a cc? the fossilize tooltip says stun and so does stones fist say a stun so is it not supposed to do that?
whips toolti- Lash an enemy with flame, dealing [x] Flame Damage.
If you strike an enemy that is immobilized or stunned, you also set them off balance. You can only set an enemy off balance once every 5 seconds.
Targeting an off balance enemy changes this ability into Power Lash, allowing you to lash an enemy with more intense flame to deal [y] Flame Damage and (STUN) them for 2 seconds. You also heal for [z] over 2 seconds.
Fossilize tooltip- Encase an enemy in stone, (STUNNING) them for 20 seconds. When the effect ends, enemies take [x] Magic Damage and remain rooted for 3 seconds.
Affected enemies can take [y] damage before the stun is broken.
=ah so yeah dont they need to add the cc part?

IxskullzxI · September 2016

PURPLE245 wrote: »

well on the tooltip is says you also set them off balance and then the 2nd whips stuns them for 2 secs so pretty sure a stun is a cc? the fossilize tooltip says stun and so does stones fist say a stun so is it not supposed to do that?
whips toolti- Lash an enemy with flame, dealing [x] Flame Damage.
If you strike an enemy that is immobilized or stunned, you also set them off balance. You can only set an enemy off balance once every 5 seconds.
Targeting an off balance enemy changes this ability into Power Lash, allowing you to lash an enemy with more intense flame to deal [y] Flame Damage and (STUN) them for 2 seconds. You also heal for [z] over 2 seconds.
Fossilize tooltip- Encase an enemy in stone, (STUNNING) them for 20 seconds. When the effect ends, enemies take [x] Magic Damage and remain rooted for 3 seconds.
Affected enemies can take [y] damage before the stun is broken.
=ah so yeah dont they need to add the cc part?

It doesn't stun players. Only npc's. It's been like that since I can remember.

IxskullzxI · September 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we get a comment on this please?

ZOS_KNowak · September 2016

Thanks for the bug report on Power Lash. The video you included was especially helpful. We have a fix planned for this ability in a future PTS incremental patch.

After the fix is deployed, Power Lash will match its current behavior on the Live servers - it will stun monsters (and grant them CC-immunity), but will not stun players (nor grant them CC-immunity). The tooltip of this ability will be updated to better reflect this functionality.