The idea of the event was a good one but many farmed Molag over and over again for the skin and never got a drop just lost loads of TelVar stones for their efforts by being ganked. I feel sorry for you but that was the risk you took. I know because I was one of the players taking your TelVar stones which was my game plan from the start. As a result I hauled in a bundle of TelVar, enough to purchase one of the skins from the TelVar vendor for 250k. That was a sure thing and my intention from the start.

Next time think smart. Farm the TelVar and leave the Molog grind alone because 9 time out of 10 you will not get anything.

If ZOS had someone handling sales and marketing that knew what they were doing, they would offer every polymorph/skin available in game via the Crown Store as an option. They would make a bundle of cash. Offering those items would not be pay to win and give those players who don't like to farm or PvP another way to acquire the items.

I good example was the IC bundle for the event. To get the skin and horse you had to purchase the IC DLC included in the bundle. Many players already had purchased the IC DLC at a different time and those players who subscribe get access to IC for their subscription. Why require players who already had the IC DLC to purchase it again to get the skin or horse. Targeting those players who did not have a subscription or the IC DLC the bundle was nice package idea. However, for those that had the IC DLC or subscribers they should of had another option available to just purchase the skin or horse seperately.

Anyways the Halloween event is just around the corner and you never know what will be offered.

Again for those of you who did not get anything out of the event for your efforts except frustration let it be a learning experience. Remember it's just a game.

They should add ganking NPCs in PvE areas. Like highwaymen and such. Game would be more fun

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- PvPers organizing DUELS !! In there, this week !! With their "personal bodyguards" killing anyone else on sight (poor souls just wanted to help their same-colour-buddy"...). Guys, you have ALL OF CYRO for duelling. GTFO of IC with it. And killing people who just join the fight to help is not fair.
- New form of entitlement regarding district bosses. They drop A LOT of stones, people don't want to share stones, so they want to solo those bosses. If you dare to even cast a mutagen near them, you'll be drowned in insults and accused of leeching. Guys, you know those are group bosses, right ? And you also know they are not "your own private mobs", right ? (If that happens to you, make sure you stick to the guy at all times for the next two hours, tagging all mobs along with him. Depending on your taste, you might or might not put him on ignore beforehand). This is a MMO, these are group mobs meant to be attacked in group.
- Too big groups on Molag Bal, which attract the zergbombers (that's fair), and dilute the loot. Staying there for two hours for looting once is not fun.

I'll wait for next week to go back there, in the hope to find again the usual "IC morning atmosphere" : nice PvE + random 1v1 PvP where anything can happen, and where your opponent might be of any level.

But I've lost most if not all respect for PvPers, probably forever. When I compare what I experienced in IC these past few days, with the nice, extremely organized and friendly cooperation that happens every single day for world bosses in Worthgar or Gold Coast, this is just night and day.

Im kinda confused. I can understand most of your concerns. I just have trouble connecting that one sentence out of all your complaints to the last paragraph (both bolded).

OK, I'll try and explain more clearly.

Situation 1
I'm in IC, I'm blue.
I see another blue fighting a district boss, alone and apparently in trouble. Of course I jump in to help him. The boss dies, and immediately I receive tells (whispers are off so people have to use tells) saying "get the f*** out of my way you filthy PvE carebear, stop leeching my tel var stones you're disgusting".

Situation2
I'm in IC, I'm blue.
I see another blue fighting a red, alone and apparently in trouble. Of course I jump in to help. The blue stops fighting the red, another red hidden nearby jumps in too and the two reds kill me quickly. Once I'm dead, first red and blue resume their fighting and second red goes back to the shadows. I stay there dead for a while to watch, only to witness every other blue coming along get slaughtered the same way I was, just for wanting to help. Also worth mentioning that it happened right at the entrance of the blue exit of the sewers.

Both situations occurred repeatedly since IC revived due to the event, and none of these conform to the actual game design. None of these have anything to do with "that's a PvP zone, if you don't like it don't enter". But both situations are organized by PvPers. Thus my disrespect and disgust. I don't mind being killed, I don't mind being ganked, but I do mind these behaviours.

(The Molag Bal zerging is yet another reason for avoiding IC this week, but I agree it has nothing to do with PvPers, rather the opposite).

Situation 1: If World Bosses in Wrothgar / Gold Coast had the same drop mechanics as IC bosses where they dropped less if too many people fought them you would see the same toxicity from PvErs. This isn't a PvP exclusive here. Maybe they wouldn't call you a PvE care bear, they would just call you a filthy casual. The cooperation for bosses in PvE zones is because the reward is the quest turn in. It doesn't matter if a bunch of people kill the boss as long as you have the quest you get the full reward.

Situation 2: This is common in duels. If I'm dueling in IC or Cryodiil and a friendly shows up and interupts, I'll /say that we are dueling. I'll stop fighting and let my opponent clean them up if they don't listen. Then we can go back to dueling. So what? You died. Now you know not to interupt them. They didn't hunt you down and grief you and stop you from progressing. They killed you for interupting a duel and now you are free to ignore them and continue on your way.

Typhoios wrote: »

Situation 1: If World Bosses in Wrothgar / Gold Coast had the same drop mechanics as IC bosses where they dropped less if too many people fought them you would see the same toxicity from PvErs. This isn't a PvP exclusive here. Maybe they wouldn't call you a PvE care bear, they would just call you a filthy casual. The cooperation for bosses in PvE zones is because the reward is the quest turn in. It doesn't matter if a bunch of people kill the boss as long as you have the quest you get the full reward.

I agree that the same mechanics would perhaps trigger the same behaviours in PvE. It also happens in grinding spots. Doesn't change the fact that district bosses are meant to be fought in groups and are never the "property" of the few ones who can solo them.

Typhoios wrote: »

Situation 2: This is common in duels. If I'm dueling in IC or Cryodiil and a friendly shows up and interupts, I'll /say that we are dueling. I'll stop fighting and let my opponent clean them up if they don't listen. Then we can go back to dueling. So what? You died. Now you know not to interupt them. They didn't hunt you down and grief you and stop you from progressing. They killed you for interupting a duel and now you are free to ignore them and continue on your way.

The bolded part is precisely what did NOT happen. No warning, no message, nothing. Actually it wasn't a duel, it was a trap. Not one that belongs to "fair gaming".

Maturity and respect costs nothing. If someone is being toxic or rude, be the bigger woman/man and walk away.

Report and ignore.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Situation 1: If World Bosses in Wrothgar / Gold Coast had the same drop mechanics as IC bosses where they dropped less if too many people fought them you would see the same toxicity from PvErs. This isn't a PvP exclusive here. Maybe they wouldn't call you a PvE care bear, they would just call you a filthy casual. The cooperation for bosses in PvE zones is because the reward is the quest turn in. It doesn't matter if a bunch of people kill the boss as long as you have the quest you get the full reward.

I agree that the same mechanics would perhaps trigger the same behaviours in PvE. It also happens in grinding spots. Doesn't change the fact that district bosses are meant to be fought in groups and are never the "property" of the few ones who can solo them.

Typhoios wrote: »

Situation 2: This is common in duels. If I'm dueling in IC or Cryodiil and a friendly shows up and interupts, I'll /say that we are dueling. I'll stop fighting and let my opponent clean them up if they don't listen. Then we can go back to dueling. So what? You died. Now you know not to interupt them. They didn't hunt you down and grief you and stop you from progressing. They killed you for interupting a duel and now you are free to ignore them and continue on your way.

The bolded part is precisely what did NOT happen. No warning, no message, nothing. Actually it wasn't a duel, it was a trap. Not one that belongs to "fair gaming".

The first situation has nothing to do with PvPers. You admit that it could happen in PvE under the same circumstances. This isn't a reason to be disgusted with PvPers then, is it? Maybe just be disgusted with toxic players in general.

I doubt it was a trap. The blue gets nothing out of it. The red hidden is hidden so that he doesn't get ganked while watching the duel and he can help his buddy if randoms interupt. So the blue didn't say anything? It isn't a big deal. You died once. Continue on. You also didn't say anything in zone to stop those other blues from dying in the same fashion. Would we say you are now part of the "trap"?

I'm only discussing because I'm tired of PvPers being looked at like they are toxic, sociopathic members of the community. We are just people. Some are good, some are bad. Just like our PvE counterparts. There is no reason for you to be disgusted with the PvP community when half of your complaints aren't even PvP exclusive.

You talk about PvP-ers and PvE-ers as if there are separate species. In fact I run a lot of daily pledges with people with high alliance rank. Them mongrels

Typhoios wrote: »

I know you can't use /zone while dead. How long did you sit there dead that you watched multiple blues die in the same way?
I don't think the PvP community is more toxic and your complaints aren't even PvP specific.

1- About 10 minutes ? Wanted to make sure it was a planned set up, which it was.
2 - Your opinion about toxicity. Fine. But what I relate IS PvP-specific. You can argue "but if PvE was like PvP people would be just as bad..." but the fact is, PvE isn't like PvP.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

I know you can't use /zone while dead. How long did you sit there dead that you watched multiple blues die in the same way?
I don't think the PvP community is more toxic and your complaints aren't even PvP specific.

1- About 10 minutes ? Wanted to make sure it was a planned set up, which it was.
2 - Your opinion about toxicity. Fine. But what I relate IS PvP-specific.

The dueling is PvP specific. Getting hate because you interfered with a boss fight was not. You even admitted it could happen inPvE zones if loot drops were the same. Don't blame the people in IC because ZOS designed a system that favors selfishness. If PvE bosses divided loot and experience by all that participated, you would start seeing a lot of toxic PvEers.

You say you don't mind being killed or ganked in PvP. Why are you upset that two reds killed you and the blue didn't help? It is just a death. One you easily avoided next time. Would it really have made a difference if those reds were both in stealth and ganked you? How was their behavior toxic? They killed an enemy player in a PvP zone. What is the big deal?