Endless duels - Optional modes to find a winner

MaddPowered · September 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

lol, I watched a Craglorn duel last 10 minutes.

That may have been the fight between me and my friend. Lol.

Bislobo · September 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Maybe only he fourth worst idea I've seen in the forums his week but congrats on cracking the top five.

If players of equal gear and skill are dueling is it not then a test of skill to see which player can stay focused longer making fewer mistakes therefore more skilled?

Hmm no. It is a test of willingness to keep fighting, not skill. And in most specs you can afford those mistakes.

SirDopey · September 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

What if you couldn't use potions? Seems like that would cut down on a lot of the never resources.

What about the people using Clever Alchemist set, how do they proc their burst DPS if no potions allowed???

Snape2255 · September 2016

olsborg wrote: »

CP broke dueling btw. Duel on azura if you want skill to matter most.

If players have an equal number of CP then it is the same amount of skill required as players dueling with 0 CP. Your logic is flawed. You want players to fight on "equal grounds", I assume? 0 CP In Azura = "Equal Ground". Both 561 CP outside Azura? That's also "Equal Ground". CP would only intervene if it were a 400 CP fighting a 561. 561 vs 561 is fair, same skill required as a 0 CP vs 0 CP. In fact maybe even more due to having to react quicker to the increase in damage and having to out-play them due to their increased resource mangement?

Edit: Forgot to say something on-topic.

Perhaps a timer? If it goes past a certain point in time then the duel is concluded as a draw? Seems like it'd also require ZOS to whine less about resources going into changing dueling.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

Bislobo wrote: »

One easy way to solve this is to implement "Combat Fatigue".

You don't think "player fatigue" should be enough ? (it's a resource in the "RL mother nature" skill line...)

Strider_Roshin · September 2016

Why ruin a good thing? I'm rarely happier than when I'm having a good long fight. I personally love it when me and my opponent can pummel one another for a long time until one of us slips. I unfortunately kill the majority of players within seconds. Having a long fight is revitalizing. If you hate fighting for a long time then just walk out of bounds or give up, and die. Don't spoil everyone else's fun.

Reevster · September 2016

Dont change anything, just let those who want to duel play, then they will just get bored and go away, hopefully lol. Same thing happened in EQ 1 , it just got boring. Boring to watch also....

Izaki · September 2016

Let duels be ! There's a destro and a resto ultimate to change and you're sitting here talking about endless duels?! What about all those new below average magicka sets huh? Oh wait, I guess people who like having long fights must go away from this thread...

Bislobo · September 2016

Reevster wrote: »

Dont change anything, just let those who want to duel play, then they will just get bored and go away, hopefully lol. Same thing happened in EQ 1 , it just got boring. Boring to watch also....

That's also my fear. Hope it doesn't happen in ESO. I am surprised by the amount of people that enjoy long duels...

maxjapank · September 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

What if you couldn't use potions? Seems like that would cut down on a lot of the never resources.

You'd have to give Argonians a different racial passive then. Or not allow any racial passives.

Elara_Northwind · September 2016

I have had a few duels on pts that have ended with us both giving up because it is taking so long, and they have all been (I believe due to their cp) from the US server, and they have mostly been tanks too... I don't believe, on my full cp character, this would have been as much of an issue because she does much more damage.

The inability to kill one another is the least of my worries where duelling is considered however, as from what I saw earlier, most people there were just plain ***

They could not accept a loss in the slightest, and apparently, me winning against them meant that I was 'cheating' because I used RD when they had 2k health left (Oh god!) or because I blocked their OP stam ulti (I am so bad

) So... I won't be going to these places on pts again, as I found the crowd to be immature and very bad losers

I do hope that when this goes live, they create an 'arena' for the more mature palyers, who don't cry when they are killed by a girl at 2k health by a FINISHER

Sentinel · September 2016

Here's an idea, not my own, but I don't remember who to source it to:

An option for a duel that, the longer it lasts, the more damage each opponent deals. No matter how tanky you are, there will be a point when you can be killed. If it happens to be that you get a sizable amount of damage but can still hold your ground, you would be able to kill any opponent in turn. The damage buff would be a double edged sword that would mean someone has to win.

(one way to implement perhaps, 15% increase to damage (or damage received if the former is not an option) every minute increasing exponentially)

The duel could have it's own name of course, like Sudden Death,
/suddendeathduel <playername>

*shrug* Spitballing.

Dracane · September 2016

Ahzek wrote: »

My personal favourite to end tied duels is to go WW.
Love it or hate it, but WW is a 100% guarantee for the fight to end within a minute, either cause the opponent breaks or because he knows what to do and the WW bites the dust.

Werewolf is like spamming Overload, just much much stronger
I like Werewolf alot. Especially when DKs use it, because they no longer have access to wings and vigor.

That's why WW is great. They can kill you quickly, but they loose most of their stamina OPness, which gives you the chance to kill them quickly as well.
With that being said, I agree

Tonnopesce · September 2016

Bislobo wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

What if you couldn't use potions? Seems like that would cut down on a lot of the never resources.

I agree. Another easy way really, plain and simple. Plus we will not waste money on duels

What about argonians?
The only thing that Argonians have is the potion synergy.
If you negate me the potions i'll ask for a racial passives block while you duel, how does it sounds?

Orchish · September 2016

Duels should never be the basis for balance in ESO.

karakondzula · September 2016

Increase the base life by 400%, reduce running speed by another 10% ( but revise health scaling abilities and damage shields ofc ), reduce healing by 95%. And you get a cool PVP in general. Players will last longer (no ista gibs and less latency deaths) in general but the healing would be really small and it will never be endless.

Firerock2 · September 2016

I'm sorry but this would completely ruin what people have been asking for forever. A duel between two competent players should take a long time. Honestly I think you should just go play Call of Duty, it sounds like its more up your ally.

altemriel · September 2016

Bislobo wrote: »

At the current state, duels between players with similar skill level will never end, unless one gets bored or tired.
There is healing/sustain/potions to cover poor play.
One easy way to solve this is to implement "Combat Fatigue".
WTH is that? It's a debuff that increases over time. The values can vary but here is my suggestion:
After 1 minute of duel duration, players skills start to cost 30% more.
After 1 minute and 30 seconds, 60% more.
After 2 minutes 90% more.
And so on...
This way, in the end it will be skill and good resource management dictating the outcome of the battle.
Not wife aggro or bio breaks.

nooo!! this is not a good idea! what is wrong with an endless duel? If the two find out that they are similarly good, they can either continue, just for the fun of fighting together, or they can just cancel the duel!!!

I see nothing wrong with that!

altemriel · September 2016

People please do not ask for such a non-sense changes to dueling!!!

Why add some debuffs or debuff timers there??? Why prevent us from using potions??This is non-sense!!!

Let us duel with full power to test our skills.
If someone gets bored, he/she simply cancels the duel and goes away!! Problem solved!!!

Lava_Croft · September 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

What if you couldn't use potions? Seems like that would cut down on a lot of the never resources.

And in the process gimp both Argonians and Nightblades who will mostly likely already get screwed over by One Tamriel while trying to chase the flowers needed for the potions that power their passives?

No thanks.

altemriel · September 2016

I do not want to sound mean or anything, but people please re-consider making nerf treads about dueling!!!!

Many people wanted dueling to come to ESO, it came finally, some wanted to test their skills agains random opponents, some wanted to do tournaments, some just wanted to duel for fun - with their friends or guildies.

I am totally ok with people who make their own tournaments, to make their rules for the tournaments (no poisons, etc...)

But please do not make these nerf cry treads, just because you do not want that or that (no poisons, no potions, no gear swapping, no skills swapping, no that set, no other set....WHT?????

Someone uses poisons in your duel, even if you did not? So what?? That happens in Cyrodiil too!!! Someone uses Malubeth and you feel that that set is overpowered? So what? Ask him next time to not use it, or accept it as it happens in the War!!

You wanna either test your build fully - so that you can adjust them to be better in PVP? Or you want to just duel for fun with your friends? Then do it!!

But please do not ruin the dueling by making ZOS to nerf or somehow externally restrict it right after it came out!!

Please do not do that!!!

Thank you!!!

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2016

@altemriel

What are you going to try next ? Font size 72 ? WordArt ?

Bislobo · September 2016

Alright guys, alright! Let duels go unchanged... As some people stated reagents will be more scarce, so the gold required to make potions will eventually rise. We will see how many people still enjoy their never ending endeavors when they are paying ridiculous amount of gold in an activity that is supposed to be just for fun. Now some people will say... Then don't use potions! Problem solved! Yeah really that's not how things turn out to be in reality...

altemriel · September 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@altemriel

What are you going to try next ? Font size 72 ? WordArt ?

maybe

altemriel · September 2016

Bislobo wrote: »

Alright guys, alright! Let duels go unchanged... As some people stated reagents will be more scarce, so the gold required to make potions will eventually rise. We will see how many people still enjoy their never ending endeavors when they are paying ridiculous amount of gold in an activity that is supposed to be just for fun. Now some people will say... Then don't use potions! Problem solved! Yeah really that's not things turn out to be in reality...

well a better overal solution to that would be to increase the respawn rate of the alchemy materials nodes!!! not to ask to nerf the duels!!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Mady · September 2016

This is nonsense....everybody would just use things to bypass this....like sets that buff heavy attacks and play defensively until the '90% cost debuff' hits.

In the end nobody is allowed to use skills or even weapons and everybody has to use their bare fists!

altemriel · September 2016

Mady wrote: »

This is nonsense....everybody would just use things to bypass this....like sets that buff heavy attacks and play defensively until the '90% cost debuff' hits.

In the end nobody is allowed to use skills or even weapons and everybody has to use their bare fists!

yes!

TipsyDrow · September 2016

How about we leave this one alone, let the duelers duel using everything available, and go on about our merry way?

Tyrion87 · September 2016

Bislobo wrote: »

At the current state, duels between players with similar skill level will never end, unless one gets bored or tired.

Or unless one of them is magicka, and the other one is stamina. That fight will end really fast...

Qbiken · September 2016

WIll be adding so many people to ignore list once all randoms want to dual you.....