wayfarerx wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

They are getting banned for being inside of a keep and killing people after they have used said gap closer.

Don't exploit kids.

I don't think he was exploiting children.

Now, as to him being a child who exploits the game, that's another matter.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

jhharvest wrote: »

I think it was handled wrong.

I think the first time you got reported you should have been mailed a warning from ZOS saying it's an exploit, and only banned after subsequently using the exploit.

Maybe it could have displayed a warning to everyone who enters Cyrodiil:
"Using gap closers to enter enemy keeps is currently broken and using it is considered an exploit. If you are reported for using this tactic your account may be banned permanently."



On the other hand? Screw those keep-leapers.

Yes. Keep-leapers out.

And your warning system wouldn't work. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

"Player X, that's an obvious exploit A. Here's your warning.'

"Player X, we see that you aren't using exploit A again, now your using exploit B. Here's your warning."

"Player X, we see that you aren't using exploit A or B again, now your using exploit C. Here's your warning."

Well, quite frankly if there was 3 separate things that the developer had to label as bannable exploits of broken game mechanics and send out warnings to people, I think then the onus is on the developer to fix their product. I think people still deserve a warning before banning occurs, unless the offence is something like hacking, harassment, bigotry or similar that is already illegal in the world outside the game.

firegodx wrote: »

People put in countless hours out of their lives into this game and got banned for something they were not aware of being an expIoit. wasn't banned personally but I know a few people that were and they were not even aware gap closing into a keep was exploiting they appealed the ban and you deny it?! But you give the people who use hard core cheat engines a second chance?! What sense does that make I hope the community keeps rioting about this you deserve more hate. #freeikonno

You are not perma-banned after one single case. 1st and 2nd times, you get a temporary ban. And since you are banned, now you know that you are doing something you shouldn't: you can't say anymore you were not aware.

You have your 2nd chance, and you have your 3rd chance as well. You don't have infinite chances, however. Three strikes and you're out.

I don't understand, how someone can play mmo and not visit forums! Mmos and forums goes hand in hand!

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Don't know why they apparently don't officially do temp bans. Your first offense should be a relatively short temp ban. Repeated offense can them result in perma ban

(Unless they do, I typically only ever hear about people getting perma banned.)

The people who get perma-banned never tell you about the warnings and temp bans that they got first, because it doesn't fit into their "I'm a victim, it's not fair" narrative.

I'm lost here. Cyrodill is actually pretty brutal if you are out for a stroll alone. Rarely does anyone see a lone player and go, "Let them be. They're out here alone." Every large group I have been in always has somebody looking for that lone individual and blurts out, "There's one. Let's get 'em." Explain to me how that is fair? Well, you're gonna say, "Cyrodill. It's a PvP zone. Don't go it alone."

So, now a player discovers that Critical Rush ( I'm assuming here or similar gap closers) can get them on top of walls and people are crying about it? That somehow it doesn't fit their narrative of what is fair? It isn't up to the gamer to "deal" with the problem. It is up to the developer. Telling players to not do it won't fix it. And since you have to be reporting someone who most likely ganked you to get them banned , seems like those "players" who are doing the reporting are sort of whining.

Everyone hates gank squads. Honestly, what can you do about it? You can't ban everyone.

Did you know that Critical Rush doesn't follow the terrain? It sort of just launches you forward --- straight out and drops you to the ground if you are starting on a slight incline.


Speaking of an AI using an exploit: What about the enemies that can fire on you with arrows or magic through obstacles such as pillars, crates, furniture, etc. Shouldn't those AI be banned for that? Or should the developer fix it?

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I am not buying the I did not know crap, a little common sense should tell you this is wrong, and if it feels wrong stop doing until you can find out some information, and I do agree using a third party program to manipulate the game to me is a worse offense, and they should be perma banned and not a slap on the wrist, because everyone of those guys that came back that I knew of are cheating again, they have the work around to bypass the auto ban system, and I think this is a problem ZOS has not found away yet to detect it.

I don't believe in giving cheaters a second chance if caught, most cheaters lie about cheating as well, it needs to be dealt with it is a cancer in the game and a bad one, that's costs the company money and lose of accounts.

So why perma ban him no warnings for gap closing but give ppl who use cheat engines second chance?

firegodx wrote: »

Surak73 wrote: »

firegodx wrote: »

People put in countless hours out of their lives into this game and got banned for something they were not aware of being an expIoit. wasn't banned personally but I know a few people that were and they were not even aware gap closing into a keep was exploiting they appealed the ban and you deny it?! But you give the people who use hard core cheat engines a second chance?! What sense does that make I hope the community keeps rioting about this you deserve more hate. #freeikonno

You are not perma-banned after one single case. 1st and 2nd times, you get a temporary ban. And since you are banned, now you know that you are doing something you shouldn't: you can't say anymore you were not aware.

You have your 2nd chance, and you have your 3rd chance as well. You don't have infinite chances, however. Three strikes and you're out.

He was pErma ban after one offense appeal denied

I'm just going to leave this here:

UrQuan wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Don't know why they apparently don't officially do temp bans. Your first offense should be a relatively short temp ban. Repeated offense can them result in perma ban

(Unless they do, I typically only ever hear about people getting perma banned.)

The people who get perma-banned never tell you about the warnings and temp bans that they got first, because it doesn't fit into their "I'm a victim, it's not fair" narrative.

UrQuan wrote: »

firegodx wrote: »

Surak73 wrote: »

firegodx wrote: »

People put in countless hours out of their lives into this game and got banned for something they were not aware of being an expIoit. wasn't banned personally but I know a few people that were and they were not even aware gap closing into a keep was exploiting they appealed the ban and you deny it?! But you give the people who use hard core cheat engines a second chance?! What sense does that make I hope the community keeps rioting about this you deserve more hate. #freeikonno

You are not perma-banned after one single case. 1st and 2nd times, you get a temporary ban. And since you are banned, now you know that you are doing something you shouldn't: you can't say anymore you were not aware.

You have your 2nd chance, and you have your 3rd chance as well. You don't have infinite chances, however. Three strikes and you're out.

He was pErma ban after one offense appeal denied

I'm just going to leave this here:

UrQuan wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

Don't know why they apparently don't officially do temp bans. Your first offense should be a relatively short temp ban. Repeated offense can them result in perma ban

(Unless they do, I typically only ever hear about people getting perma banned.)

The people who get perma-banned never tell you about the warnings and temp bans that they got first, because it doesn't fit into their "I'm a victim, it's not fair" narrative.

I actually know multiple people who got perma banned no warning I dont think they are all lying but whatever you say

JungleBoot wrote: »

So, now a player discovers that Critical Rush ( I'm assuming here or similar gap closers) can get them on top of walls and people are crying about it? That somehow it doesn't fit their narrative of what is fair? It isn't up to the gamer to "deal" with the problem. It is up to the developer. Telling players to not do it won't fix it.

This is pretty ridicolous: it's like saying that, if I forget to close my house's door, you are entitled to get in and take whatever you want, it's not your fault or your problem...

Or, to reformulate it in accordance with your example: "So, a citizen discovers that, in some cases, Turning the Handle skill can get him into a rich house with an awful lot of beautyful things he desires and can take freely, and people are crying about it? It isn't up to the trespasser to deal with this problem, it's up to the one who didn't close his door"...

Nope, man: like in real life, there are rules here as well. If you haven't read them on forum etc, you will learn them with your 1st and 2nd temporary ban. And if you don't like them, no one is forcing you to keep playing, are they?

firegodx wrote: »

He was pErma ban after one offense appeal denied

Are you sure of that, or this is simply what he's saying? I don't mean this can't be possible, maybe it was truly a mistake and he was permabanned on his first offence; but, you know, prisons are full of people saying they are absolutely innocent...

The fact that OP 'knows several people who...' sounds to me like there was some collusive group action involved... and 'knowing several people who...' also makes me find it hard to believe that they weren't talking about this being an exploit. I agree with @UrQuan , people don't just get a permaban for first time offenses, they get a permaban for repeatedly doing something wrong.

UrQuan wrote: »

The only way PVPers wouldn't know that's an exploit is if they don't come to the forums or reddit, and don't ever talk to any other PVPers in game or pay any attention to zone chat in Cyrodiil. And the only way they'd be banned and an appeal denied is if they were using the exploit over and over.

The possibility to not read the forums isn´t even that unlikely.

Banning people over their own inability to freaking fix gapclosers once and for all is pathetic.
There is no way apart from reading the forums to even get an official statement that gapclosing into keeps not working as intended.

But maybe @ZOS_GinaBruno can enlighten us: What is the standard operating procedure on people gapclosing into keeps regularly who are not reading forums (frequently or don´t read devtracker) and therefor have no information as to what is working as intended and what is not?

Im almost positive the offenders where the one using alts to get into undefended keeps to snag scrolls or using the mage guards to sneak entire groups into keeps to bypass sieging. Not accidentally gapclosing during battle. Get real.