Who cares about unkillable fat *** with an ult that will make them even more fat? Everyone is crying about weak destro ultimate and "op" two haded ult. With heavy armor buff everyone can become a tank and do decent damage. And now this. Making heavy armor more offensive was a terrible mistake.

susmitds wrote: »

The Ultimate gives you free block for 5 secs at 100 cost and unlimited projectile reflection for the duration on a morph, which comes down to 85 with Dragonguard set (70 in case of Sorcerers)

Now with Tava's Favor, Invigorating Drain, Minor Heroism, you gain Ultimate at 9 Ulti/sec. By adding Bloodspawn, you can get over 11 ulti/sec.

That means on a :-

• Stamina DK - You can get 66% Uptime on this skill and get back resources from it too. What's even more, in PvP if you get a kill in the duration, you will have it up from the entire duration.
• Stamina/Magicka NB - NB already have huge ultimate gaining capabilities. Add the Siphoning passives and you can get enough ulti-gain to keep it up 100% of the time, normally for the duration. With Soul Harvest as long something near you dies, you will have it 100% of the time regardless of whether Bloodspawn procs or not.
• Sorcerers in general - Basically you can have it up for 85% of the time, if Bloodspawn procs.

Any ultimate being capable of being spammed is bad direction for the game. In this case, it gives you the benefit of blocking without actually needing to do it and reflect any projectile back, while allowing you to freely go on the offensive without a care for any defense.

No Stam DK worth his salt is going to choose The Spell Reflect over reducing the cost of 1hd abilities by 100% for 6 seconds.

Heroic Slash is around 2k+ per use, you will get at least 4 of those off, that's 8k+ stamina alone the 1hd shield ability will save you.

Also Tavas Favor is great for PvE but its not super great in PvP cause you lack damage when running it.

Instead you should do what i'm planning on doing and farm the hell out of Jolting Arms set that went from 15% to 50% proc chance on blocking. This set has no Cooldown and will pretty much have 100% uptime whenever you pop this ult..Which means you can do Heroic Strike (Free Cost), Bash (Procs Jolting Arms Proc), Light Attack + Disease Enchant on an Infused Weapon and you've got a lot of Burst Damage that's basically free during that Ult Pop.

Well if anything needs a nerf, thats the bow ulti for sure.

Soris wrote: »

Well if anything needs a nerf, thats the bow ulti for sure.

That's physical Soul Assault. It is interrupt-able, cloak-able, block-able and LoS dependant. Costs nearly twice as Soul Assault but does not Snare target. Good on paper, but like Soul Assault, useless in reality.

susmitds wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

The Ultimate gives you free block for 5 secs at 100 cost and unlimited projectile reflection for the duration on a morph, which comes down to 85 with Dragonguard set (70 in case of Sorcerers)

Now with Tava's Favor, Invigorating Drain, Minor Heroism, you gain Ultimate at 9 Ulti/sec. By adding Bloodspawn, you can get over 11 ulti/sec.

That means on a :-

• Stamina DK - You can get 66% Uptime on this skill and get back resources from it too. What's even more, in PvP if you get a kill in the duration, you will have it up from the entire duration.
• Stamina/Magicka NB - NB already have huge ultimate gaining capabilities. Add the Siphoning passives and you can get enough ulti-gain to keep it up 100% of the time, normally for the duration. With Soul Harvest as long something near you dies, you will have it 100% of the time regardless of whether Bloodspawn procs or not.
• Sorcerers in general - Basically you can have it up for 85% of the time, if Bloodspawn procs.

Any ultimate being capable of being spammed is bad direction for the game. In this case, it gives you the benefit of blocking without actually needing to do it and reflect any projectile back, while allowing you to freely go on the offensive without a care for any defense.

No Stam DK worth his salt is going to choose The Spell Reflect over reducing the cost of 1hd abilities by 100% for 6 seconds.

Heroic Slash is around 2k+ per use, you will get at least 4 of those off, that's 8k+ stamina alone the 1hd shield ability will save you.

Also Tavas Favor is great for PvE but its not super great in PvP cause you lack damage when running it.

Instead you should do what i'm planning on doing and farm the hell out of Jolting Arms set that went from 15% to 50% proc chance on blocking. This set has no Cooldown and will pretty much have 100% uptime whenever you pop this ult..Which means you can do Heroic Strike (Free Cost), Bash (Procs Jolting Arms Proc), Light Attack + Disease Enchant on an Infused Weapon and you've got a lot of Burst Damage that's basically free during that Ult Pop.

Think of the impact this will have in dungeon tanking in PvE, much less real blocking, now more depending on ultimate, well there goes skillful play. @Wrobel

Are we talking Dungeons or Trials?

Cause Trials no Tank will use the ability, they can already pretty much perma block if they want to..instead they'll run Warhorn for obvious reasons.

If we're talking Dungeons, I can take my Blazing Shield Templar into any Vet dungeon right now and not use block one time because I can face tank everything in the game....

You will still need to block Knockdown etc on a Blazing Shield build. NB Sap tanks already have crazy damage. Now they will get even crazier defense.

I don't even bother blocking Knockdowns half the time....I have 15k worth of shields on 50k hp tank...

susmitds wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

The Ultimate gives you free block for 5 secs at 100 cost and unlimited projectile reflection for the duration on a morph, which comes down to 85 with Dragonguard set (70 in case of Sorcerers)

Now with Tava's Favor, Invigorating Drain, Minor Heroism, you gain Ultimate at 9 Ulti/sec. By adding Bloodspawn, you can get over 11 ulti/sec.

That means on a :-

• Stamina DK - You can get 66% Uptime on this skill and get back resources from it too. What's even more, in PvP if you get a kill in the duration, you will have it up from the entire duration.
• Stamina/Magicka NB - NB already have huge ultimate gaining capabilities. Add the Siphoning passives and you can get enough ulti-gain to keep it up 100% of the time, normally for the duration. With Soul Harvest as long something near you dies, you will have it 100% of the time regardless of whether Bloodspawn procs or not.
• Sorcerers in general - Basically you can have it up for 85% of the time, if Bloodspawn procs.

Any ultimate being capable of being spammed is bad direction for the game. In this case, it gives you the benefit of blocking without actually needing to do it and reflect any projectile back, while allowing you to freely go on the offensive without a care for any defense.

No Stam DK worth his salt is going to choose The Spell Reflect over reducing the cost of 1hd abilities by 100% for 6 seconds.

Heroic Slash is around 2k+ per use, you will get at least 4 of those off, that's 8k+ stamina alone the 1hd shield ability will save you.

Also Tavas Favor is great for PvE but its not super great in PvP cause you lack damage when running it.

Instead you should do what i'm planning on doing and farm the hell out of Jolting Arms set that went from 15% to 50% proc chance on blocking. This set has no Cooldown and will pretty much have 100% uptime whenever you pop this ult..Which means you can do Heroic Strike (Free Cost), Bash (Procs Jolting Arms Proc), Light Attack + Disease Enchant on an Infused Weapon and you've got a lot of Burst Damage that's basically free during that Ult Pop.

Think of the impact this will have in dungeon tanking in PvE, much less real blocking, now more depending on ultimate, well there goes skillful play. @Wrobel

Are we talking Dungeons or Trials?

Cause Trials no Tank will use the ability, they can already pretty much perma block if they want to..instead they'll run Warhorn for obvious reasons.

If we're talking Dungeons, I can take my Blazing Shield Templar into any Vet dungeon right now and not use block one time because I can face tank everything in the game....

You will still need to block Knockdown etc on a Blazing Shield build. NB Sap tanks already have crazy damage. Now they will get even crazier defense.

Saptanks can already permablock with just siphoning strikes.

This ultimate is absolutely useless in anything remotely competitive in PvE, and even if it allowed for effective permablock, I got much MUCH better use for my ult than this.

PvE tanking isn't about how tanky you get, it's about how tanky you need to be to complete your role. You don't need permablock, and you don't need a ult to save your resources like this. It has nothing competitive and is just going to be an excuse for tanks who can't / don't want to manage their stamina properly.

PvP... Wait & see.

For PVE this ulti is still ***.

Asmael wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

The Ultimate gives you free block for 5 secs at 100 cost and unlimited projectile reflection for the duration on a morph, which comes down to 85 with Dragonguard set (70 in case of Sorcerers)

Now with Tava's Favor, Invigorating Drain, Minor Heroism, you gain Ultimate at 9 Ulti/sec. By adding Bloodspawn, you can get over 11 ulti/sec.

That means on a :-

• Stamina DK - You can get 66% Uptime on this skill and get back resources from it too. What's even more, in PvP if you get a kill in the duration, you will have it up from the entire duration.
• Stamina/Magicka NB - NB already have huge ultimate gaining capabilities. Add the Siphoning passives and you can get enough ulti-gain to keep it up 100% of the time, normally for the duration. With Soul Harvest as long something near you dies, you will have it 100% of the time regardless of whether Bloodspawn procs or not.
• Sorcerers in general - Basically you can have it up for 85% of the time, if Bloodspawn procs.

Any ultimate being capable of being spammed is bad direction for the game. In this case, it gives you the benefit of blocking without actually needing to do it and reflect any projectile back, while allowing you to freely go on the offensive without a care for any defense.

No Stam DK worth his salt is going to choose The Spell Reflect over reducing the cost of 1hd abilities by 100% for 6 seconds.

Heroic Slash is around 2k+ per use, you will get at least 4 of those off, that's 8k+ stamina alone the 1hd shield ability will save you.

Also Tavas Favor is great for PvE but its not super great in PvP cause you lack damage when running it.

Instead you should do what i'm planning on doing and farm the hell out of Jolting Arms set that went from 15% to 50% proc chance on blocking. This set has no Cooldown and will pretty much have 100% uptime whenever you pop this ult..Which means you can do Heroic Strike (Free Cost), Bash (Procs Jolting Arms Proc), Light Attack + Disease Enchant on an Infused Weapon and you've got a lot of Burst Damage that's basically free during that Ult Pop.

Think of the impact this will have in dungeon tanking in PvE, much less real blocking, now more depending on ultimate, well there goes skillful play. @Wrobel

Are we talking Dungeons or Trials?

Cause Trials no Tank will use the ability, they can already pretty much perma block if they want to..instead they'll run Warhorn for obvious reasons.

If we're talking Dungeons, I can take my Blazing Shield Templar into any Vet dungeon right now and not use block one time because I can face tank everything in the game....

You will still need to block Knockdown etc on a Blazing Shield build. NB Sap tanks already have crazy damage. Now they will get even crazier defense.

Saptanks can already permablock with just siphoning strikes.

This ultimate is absolutely useless in anything remotely competitive in PvE, and even if it allowed for effective permablock, I got much MUCH better use for my ult than this.

PvE tanking isn't about how tanky you get, it's about how tanky you need to be to complete your role. You don't need permablock, and you don't need a ult to save your resources like this. It has nothing competitive and is just going to be an excuse for tanks who can't / don't want to manage their stamina properly.

PvP... Wait & see.

PvP it's an amazing ult for Stamina Dks and pretty much anyone who relies on heroic strike for dps

shrb wrote: »

Since it's no cost passive block, couldn't you run that in something like a magplar in his alt weapons? Alleviating the need to invest in stam and getting some defence while it's up to dps unhindered?

Pretty much this.

You will see, this thing will be terribly broken in PVP. Hight sustain builds with Black Rose and Bloodspawn are already broken and this ultimate will make them even more ridiculous.

Xsorus wrote: »

Instead you should do what i'm planning on doing and farm the hell out of Jolting Arms set that went from 15% to 50% proc chance on blocking. This set has no Cooldown and will pretty much have 100% uptime whenever you pop this ult..Which means you can do Heroic Strike (Free Cost), Bash (Procs Jolting Arms Proc), Light Attack + Disease Enchant on an Infused Weapon and you've got a lot of Burst Damage that's basically free during that Ult Pop.

You should check (in case you didn't already) whether the ultimate counts as blocking for the purpose of triggering on-block effects. Because i know it does not count as blocking for the CC immunity that regular blocking gives.

I have a feeling the 1h/s ult is no block at all, it is just a damage reduction ability which has the block visual effect attached to it.

Not in a favor of nerf, ultimate duration is already very small

Cherryblossom wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

The Ultimate gives you free block for 5 secs at 100 cost and unlimited projectile reflection for the duration on a morph, which comes down to 85 with Dragonguard set (70 in case of Sorcerers)

Now with Tava's Favor, Invigorating Drain, Minor Heroism, you gain Ultimate at 9 Ulti/sec. By adding Bloodspawn, you can get over 11 ulti/sec.

That means on a :-

• Stamina DK - You can get 66% Uptime on this skill and get back resources from it too. What's even more, in PvP if you get a kill in the duration, you will have it up from the entire duration.
• Stamina/Magicka NB - NB already have huge ultimate gaining capabilities. Add the Siphoning passives and you can get enough ulti-gain to keep it up 100% of the time, normally for the duration. With Soul Harvest as long something near you dies, you will have it 100% of the time regardless of whether Bloodspawn procs or not.
• Sorcerers in general - Basically you can have it up for 85% of the time, if Bloodspawn procs.

Any ultimate being capable of being spammed is bad direction for the game. In this case, it gives you the benefit of blocking without actually needing to do it and reflect any projectile back, while allowing you to freely go on the offensive without a care for any defense.

Ok so have you got the evidence supporting you hypothesis?
It is fine you making these statement, but have you tested and can you show the results.

Take an ultimate generation maxed out Sap tank and you would be able to see what I mean here.

I think if it was viable to keep 100% uptime on an ultimate that costs 100 ult and lasts for 6 seconds, then we would see today at least some players running a build that fires a dawnbreaker of smiting every 6 seconds. I mean, the cost is the same, so why not? And DBoS is one of the best ultimates. Still, i have yet to see anyone do that. Which makes me think we won't see any 100% uptime on the 1h/s ult either.