STAMINA DRAGONKNIGHTS!

Rage_Killin · September 2016

Could we PLEASE discuss a Poison whip? Stamina morph of whip would put stam dk on par with other classes and we wouldn't be forced to run s/b tank builds. Nightblades have surprise attack, Templars have jabs, sorcs, well sorcs have great utilities. DKS use 4 out of 5 abilities from weapon skill trees. Would be nice to have a stam morph! (PLEASE DONT MENTION MAGIC DKS WE ALL KNOW THEY NEED HELP!)

DocFrost72 · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Could we PLEASE discuss a Poison whip? Stamina morph of whip would put stam dk on par with other classes and we wouldn't be forced to run s/b tank builds. Nightblades have surprise attack, Templars have jabs, sorcs, well sorcs have great utilities. DKS use 4 out of 5 abilities from weapon skill trees. Would be nice to have a stam morph! (PLEASE DONT MENTION MAGIC DKS WE ALL KNOW THEY NEED HELP!)

PvP, maybe. But you'd have to manage it so it didn't add any more to PvE DPS, since stam DKS typically perform the best already. Maybe if it were just an instant cast spammable?

Rage_Killin · September 2016

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Could we PLEASE discuss a Poison whip? Stamina morph of whip would put stam dk on par with other classes and we wouldn't be forced to run s/b tank builds. Nightblades have surprise attack, Templars have jabs, sorcs, well sorcs have great utilities. DKS use 4 out of 5 abilities from weapon skill trees. Would be nice to have a stam morph! (PLEASE DONT MENTION MAGIC DKS WE ALL KNOW THEY NEED HELP!)

PvP, maybe. But you'd have to manage it so it didn't add any more to PvE DPS, since stam DKS typically perform the best already. Maybe if it were just an instant cast spammable?

I don't think this will add per se to Pve dps. Look at nightblades and surprise attack. I understand we have the best dots in the game but I believe if we add a stam whip it wouldn't add to dps. It would be a 2h wrecking blow or duel weild (whatever that ability is called) substitute. Typically you only use one spam able ability in Pve.

susmitds · September 2016

Stam DK are already crazy strong in PvP.

Rage_Killin · September 2016

S/b stam DKS are Tanky but strong? That's black rose that makes them strong not class abilities.

lucky_Sage · September 2016

stamdks are the top tier in pve/pvp

Forestd16b14_ESO · September 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Stam DK are already crazy strong in PvP.

No not really.

Rage_Killin · September 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Stam DK are already crazy strong in PvP.

No not really.

Maybe strong against certain classes but not in general.

Forestd16b14_ESO · September 2016

As much as I personally would want more stamina morphs of all class skills Wrobel already said no cause we have weapon skills. Yea yea all those weapon skills that only 3 are used Dizzying swing, executioner, and lethal arrow.

Firerock2 · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

S/b stam DKS are Tanky but strong? That's black rose that makes them strong not class abilities.

A lot of the passives make stam dk's strong too, not just black rose. Don't kid yourself, stam dk's do not need any more buffs. Your asking for a skill that can be used with a perma blocking build so you never have to drop your shield. At least wrecking blow is a cast.

Rage_Killin · September 2016

It wouldn't be a buff. Who uses the other morph of whip anyway?

Firerock2 · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

It wouldn't be a buff. Who uses the other morph of whip anyway?

It would totally be a buff, your asking for a skill that stam dk's would be able to block cast. Besides I've seen both whip morphs utilized by many people.

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

It wouldn't be a buff. Who uses the other morph of whip anyway?

Umm PvE mDKs use Molten Whip for the added fire damage and PvP mDKs use Flame Lash because proccing Power Lash is the only way to make whip actually hit hard. Which morph do you want to take away from mDKs?

Rage_Killin · September 2016

Pve morph scrap that crap

Mustard · September 2016

Stamina templars are actually the FoTM not DK's atm.

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Pve morph scrap that crap

Except that it is the main spammable dps ability for most mDKs. As a mDK, I would really prefer that it doesn't get scrapped.

Asmael · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Pve morph scrap that crap

Hope you have a better excuse than "it's PvE so screw this".

Rage_Killin · September 2016

Added fire damage? It's barely noticeable have you seen the tooltip?

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Added fire damage? It's barely noticeable have you seen the tooltip?

It increases the fire damage of all of your other ablities, which for a mDK is all of them. It isn't just about the whip tooltip.

Rage_Killin · September 2016

Have you seen any of the tool tips? I have. I've been a MDK main for 2 years. It's about an extra 100-400 damage on the tooltip which for Pve is nothing.

iRogue32 · September 2016

A stamina morph of whip is not needed...Stamina DKs are competitive in both pvp and pve content. Giving them access to an instant cast spammable skill would be overkill.

Asardes · September 2016

At first glance Stamina DK seems disadvantaged because it has only 2 stamina morphs for class skills, but also taking ultimate abilities into consideration, the situation is pretty balanced, because all the other class ultimate abilities cause only elemental/magical damage, regardless of morph.

Stamina morphs by class:

Nightblade (4)
Assassination: Ambush, Killer's Blade
Shadow: Surprise Attack
Siphoning: Power Extraction
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

Sorcerer (3)
Dark Magic: Dark Exchange/Conversion
Daedric Summoning: Bound Armaments
Storm Calling: Hurricane
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

Templar (4)
Aedric Spear: Biting Jabs, Blinding Javelin
Dawn's Wrath: Power of the Light
Restoring light: Repentance (it's free and fills stamina too so stamina builds will always take it)
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

Dragonknight (2)
Ardent Flame: Venomous Claws, Noxious Breath
*one ultimate that causes physical damage Draconic Power: Dragon Leap (and morphs)
*one ultimate morph that causes poison damage and physical damage debuff: Corrosive Armor

And from the molten whip tool tip: "While the ability is slotted, you deal more damage with Ardent Flame abilities." - that includes stamina abilities. So you can slot it and get more damage from Venomous claws.

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Have you seen any of the tool tips? I have. I've been a MDK main for 2 years. It's about an extra 100-400 damage on the tooltip which for Pve is nothing.

Yeah, I've seen the tooltips. You are still talking about taking damage away from mDKs in PvE to make stam DKs even better in PvP. And in PvE, this lowers the mDKs damage (no matter how small you think it is) which widens the gap already between mDKs and stam DKs which are already the kings of dps. Add the extra fire damage to Flame Lash and make Molten a stam morph, but don't nerf mDKs even further.

Brrrofski · September 2016

Asardes wrote: »

At first glance Stamina DK seems disadvantaged because it has only 2 stamina morphs for class skills, but also taking ultimate abilities into consideration, the situation is pretty balanced, because all the other class ultimate abilities cause only elemental/magical damage, regardless of morph.

Stamina morphs by class:

Nightblade (4)
Assassination: Ambush, Killer's Blade
Shadow: Surprise Attack
Siphoning: Power Extraction
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

Sorcerer (3)
Dark Magic: Dark Exchange/Conversion
Daedric Summoning: Bound Armaments
Storm Calling: Hurricane
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

Templar (4)
Aedric Spear: Biting Jabs, Blinding Javelin
Dawn's Wrath: Power of the Light
Restoring light: Repentance (it's free and fills stamina too so stamina builds will always take it)
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

Dragonknight (2)
Ardent Flame: Venomous Claws, Noxious Breath
*one ultimate that causes physical damage Draconic Power: Dragon Leap (and morphs)
*one ultimate morph that causes poison damage and physical damage debuff: Corrosive Armor

Nightblades have a diseases ultimate in Incap strike and also Relentless Focus, pushing them to 6 by the way.

KenCleanAirSystem · September 2016

Nightblade (4)
Assassination: Ambush, Killer's Blade
Shadow: Surprise Attack
Siphoning: Power Extraction
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

True, but the assassination ultimate morph Incapacitating Strike deals disease damage.

juhasman · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Could we PLEASE discuss a Poison whip? Stamina morph of whip would put stam dk on par with other classes and we wouldn't be forced to run s/b tank builds. Nightblades have surprise attack, Templars have jabs, sorcs, well sorcs have great utilities. DKS use 4 out of 5 abilities from weapon skill trees. Would be nice to have a stam morph! (PLEASE DONT MENTION MAGIC DKS WE ALL KNOW THEY NEED HELP!)

Well here is the thing. You argue that stamina dk with poison whip would not be forced to run with s&b but what with those who would run with s&b and whip ? OP build would become even more OP. Also that arguing for sorcs is silly dk also have good utility. If dk really needs poison whip then sorc needs physical dmg crystal frag... Also whip for now is good skill for magicka dk 1 dedicated for PvP 2nd for PvE. Take off 1 of them and You'l nerf mag dk which is considered one of the weakest build and You'll buff stamina dk which is one of the strongest. That doesnt sound ballanced.

Rage_Killin · September 2016

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

Nightblade (4)
Assassination: Ambush, Killer's Blade
Shadow: Surprise Attack
Siphoning: Power Extraction
*no ultimate abilities that cause physical/disease/poison damage, all are magicka/elemental

True, but the assassination ultimate morph Incapacitating Strike deals disease damage.

Disease is increased by max stam and weapon damage not magic.

Apherius · September 2016

with zenimax , classe are useless , or cheat . please , stam are enough cheat ... if they add somethink , this will be use for PVE , and make this cheat class ... very very cheat , and i not kidding , if they add this skill ... Dk stam would destroy PVE ... did you imagine this ? the impact on PVE ? 6 dk stam dps or much ...per raid group and poor magicka or other stam dps with . . on pvp , stam stay good , magicka are behind again , maybe you don't have the Best PVP class , but you have the Best PVEstam class and maybe the 2/3 th PVP stam class ... sorry but i don't see the problem , if stam dk need something , it's just a nerf .

and sorc have " good ultimate " is not a excuse . because they don't . ( we speak about stamina , not magicka , overload for magicka )

Rage_Killin · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

Rage_Killin wrote: »

Could we PLEASE discuss a Poison whip? Stamina morph of whip would put stam dk on par with other classes and we wouldn't be forced to run s/b tank builds. Nightblades have surprise attack, Templars have jabs, sorcs, well sorcs have great utilities. DKS use 4 out of 5 abilities from weapon skill trees. Would be nice to have a stam morph! (PLEASE DONT MENTION MAGIC DKS WE ALL KNOW THEY NEED HELP!)

Well here is the thing. You argue that stamina dk with poison whip would not be forced to run with s&b but what with those who would run with s&b and whip ? OP build would become even more OP. Also that arguing for sorcs is silly dk also have good utility. If dk really needs poison whip then sorc needs physical dmg crystal frag...

Stamblade s/b use surprise attack and it's not op. Why is this any different?
I wouldn't be against a stam crystal frag as long as both are instant cast.

Asardes · September 2016

Yep, didn't see that. Was looking at older tooltips. Thanks for the additions.

juhasman · September 2016

Rage_Killin wrote: »

S/b stam DKS are Tanky but strong? That's black rose that makes them strong not class abilities.

Totally disagree. You can make a lot of sets that will be effective and good. BR is one of te strongest but dont fool Yourself to belive that 1 set makes certain class OP and without it class isnt strong.