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[SUGGESTION] Make the Time Trial achievements applicable to normal mode

AJTC5000
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As of Update 11, the majority of groups running the veteran modes of each of the Craglorn trials usually take at least an hour. With the current achievements being around 30 minutes, the rescaling has made these achievements basically unachievable. Making the normal modes eligible for this achievement would not only make the achievements attainable but may also add some incentive for players to get familiar with the trials in order to prepare for substantial attempts at the veteran modes.

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    PvE Achievements
    Trials
    • vHRC HM
    • vAA HM
    • vSO HM
    • vMoL HM (Dro-m'Athra Destroyer)
    • vHoF HM (Tick-Tock Tormentor/The Dynamo)
    • vAS HM (Saintly Saviour/Immortal Redeemer)
    • vCR HM
    • vSS HM
    • vRG (Oax HM)
    • vDSR (Reef Guardian HM)


    Arenas
    • vMA Flawless
    • vBRP
    • vVA Flawless (Spirit Slayer)


    Dungeons
    • vFL HM (Leave No Bone Unbroken)
    • vSCP HM (Mountain God)
    • vMHK HM (Pure Lunacy)
    • vMoS HM (Apex Predator)
    • vFV HM (Relentless Raider)
    • vDoM HM (Depths Defier)
    • vLoM HM (Nature's Wrath)
    • vMGF HM (Defanged the Devourer)
    • vIcereach HM (No Rest for the Wicked/Storm Foe)
    • vUG HM (In Defiance of Death/Bonecaller's Bane)
    • vSG HM
    • vCT HM (Bane of Thorns)
    • vBDV HM (Ardent Bibliophile)
    • vCauldron HM (Subterranean Smasher)
    • vRPB HM (Bastion Breaker/of the Silver Rose)
    • vDC HM (Battlespire's Best/The Dreaded)
    • vCA HM
    • vSR HM
    • vERE HM (Invaders' Bane)
    • vGD HM (Fist of Tava)
    • vSH HM (Magnastylus in the Making/Curator's Champion)
    • vBS HM (Temporal Tempest)
  • code65536
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    Getting vAA and vHRC within 33 minutes shouldn't be too much of a problem. But 33 minutes for vSO?

    Also, the scoring system's target completion time (the point at which time changes from a score bonus to a score penalty) is still 10 minutes for vAA/vHRC and 25 minutes for vSO despite the rescaling. It's not a huge issue since every group is subject to the same scoring metric, but it does mean that nobody is ever going to see a final completion time in the score recap display that isn't marked in red and time will always be a score penalty off of the nominal score when calculating the final score. It doesn't make sense changing that now, since there are already scores on the board and since everyone is in the same boat. But perhaps the final score recap could stop showing the time as red if you exceed 10/25 minutes. :p
    Edited by code65536 on August 29, 2016 2:32PM
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    AJTC5000 wrote: »
    add some incentive for players to get familiar with the trials in order to prepare for substantial attempts at the veteran modes
    Sadly this won't work. Being able to speedrun normal trials doesn't help you to complete vet trials as you will just learn to ignore mechanics that can't be ignored in vet modes. If you want to use normal trials as preperation for vet ones, you need to do very low dps so you actually have a chance to experience all mechanics.
  • baratron
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    At the very least, the tooltips of these Achievements need to be changed to make it clear that they must be completed on Veteran mode.
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  • Woeler
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    code65536 wrote: »
    Getting vAA and vHRC within 33 minutes shouldn't be too much of a problem. But 33 minutes for vSO?

    You were probably not there when speedrun SO was the biggest achievement people had. 33min SO the 1.4 way, ha, that was nearly impossible because for every death 5min were added to the time!

    Nah, 33min is doable.
  • Walties99
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    Woeler wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    Getting vAA and vHRC within 33 minutes shouldn't be too much of a problem. But 33 minutes for vSO?

    You were probably not there when speedrun SO was the biggest achievement people had. 33min SO the 1.4 way, ha, that was nearly impossible because for every death 5min were added to the time!

    Nah, 33min is doable.
    Have to agree here. Achievements are "Achievements" for a reason. Everything on this forum consists of PvP players crying that some skills/builds are too strong, and they usually get their way with nerfs that end up impacting pve badly. The other half of the threads in this category are "This dungeon is too hard". 33 minutes was attainable before, and it's attainable now with a good trials guild that runs a lot and has players dedicated to being the best at their role. They're already decreasing the value of VMoL skin by bringing out other skins much easier to get and you can exploit with scaling. If you can't get an achievement, try harder or accept that you just won't have it.

  • Troneon
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    Achievements still do not say they need to be done on vet mode.
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