VMA Chest Weapons Atrocious?

Triipzzz · August 2016

So now that farming VMA gives 100% chance of a weapon, everyone is farming it. My guild mates and myself have farmed a heap of runs but only received duplicate bows and resto's in the 10's. Only 2 2h Battleaxes as far as 2h melee weapons go between some 40-50 runs. Not just that, we have noticed first completionists receiving a sword and board or mace and board every single time as if it is the default weapon. It makes me think the "random" aspect is non-existant and that the whole thing is rigged, making it harder to receive sharpened 2h melee weapons.

Can anyone share their drop rates or prove me wrong at least.

Triipzzz · August 2016

With 12 or so weapons with 7 or so traits. How can I keep receiving resto after resto when the chance should be below 10%. You can't expect me to believe I keep hitting that small percentage over and over again.

Nidro · August 2016

As i never had the Motivation to go into vMA i gave it a try the last 2 days.

I made 5 runs in total and got: 2h sword infused
2h sword precise
resto staff defending
resto staff powered? (make more healing - whats actually really nice)
Flame staff infused

Atm ist very fun for me doing vMA runs, never did before and i got some new challening content right there ;-)
with chance on BoS gear

Saint_Bud · August 2016

A friend believes, that for weekly it depends how good are the people in the leaderboard. Better place better weapons and traits, also for trial weekly. Good place moastly jewerlly, bad place moastly crab. For me i got healingstaff and bow nearly always from weekly. Normaly i am 60-80 place in weekly. And get also normaly the same in the chest.

Docmandu · August 2016

I'd give my 3 charged 2H mauls away, if this crap wasn't BoP.

Anyway got the item I want, so finally never have to set foot in that atrocity again... WTB more ways / options to get all items instead of restricting drops to 1 type of content (and that includes trials drops, pvp drops, vmsa drops, vdsa drops, ...)

Clearly Rich Lambert and me are on a very different page about that one, ie:

With the trade BoP system, players are incentivized to have fun in the dungeons/trials and can help their friends gear up a little easier.

-- http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html/page/1

I'm sorry, but I don't find dungeons/trials "fun", I find PvP fun but many OP items now come solely from PvE farming.

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2016

I also happen to get Bows as Restos staves very frequently. Good thing is I have alot of magicka characters so no total loss there for the back bar.

This week I also noticed alot of 1H/shield drops. Got like 3 out of the 4 runs I have done so far with different characters.

notimetocare · August 2016

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I also happen to get Bows as Restos staves very frequently. Good thing is I have alot of magicka characters so no total loss there for the back bar.

This week I also noticed alot of 1H/shield drops. Got like 3 out of the 4 runs I have done so far with different characters.

I want a resto staff

id even take training

Jsmalls · August 2016

Saint_Bud wrote: »

A friend believes, that for weekly it depends how good are the people in the leaderboard. Better place better weapons and traits, also for trial weekly. Good place moastly jewerlly, bad place moastly crab. For me i got healingstaff and bow nearly always from weekly. Normaly i am 60-80 place in weekly. And get also normaly the same in the chest.

I can attest to this being false as I'm usually top 10 and I always get a big FU at the end of the week.

Clyde_Arrowny · August 2016

I've only managed to start clearing vMA recently and so far these are my drops:

Nirnhoned Resto staff
Infused Greatsword
Decisice Ice staff
Charged Battleaxe
Decisive sword/sturdy shield
Sharpened Inferno staff

Jimmy · August 2016

In about 15 completes, my best drops have been: 2 Sharpened Bows, 1 Precise Bow, Precise Resto staff, Powered Resto Staff, Precise dagger, and Nirnhoned 2H Sword.

Voxicity · August 2016

I've completed it 0 times and got a ___ with ___ trait because I'm not insane.

SunBro · August 2016

Minus the resto collection mines been fairly random. Only item I haven't seen is 1h axe
2h greatsword defending
4 resto staves charged
2 resto staves sharpened
Dagger precise
2h greatsword sharpened
S&B sharpened/nirnhoned
2h greatsword powered
2h maul powered
Bow infused
Bow powered
Destro flame staff precise
Destro Lightning staff nirnhoned
2h battleaxe sharpened
2h battleaxe charged

OdinForge · August 2016

I have so many resto staves from farming VMA.

The only change they made, was that you're guaranteed to get a resto staff.

Saturn · August 2016

The drops aren't "rigged", just because you see a pattern in the RNG, it doesn't mean it isn't random.

I've gotten quite a few good pieces, and of course also a lot of trash ones. My biggest problem with the arena is still the fact that it's only for one player, and that really stops me from spending a lot of time farming it since I prefer to play MMOs with other people, lol.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2016

You have a 1.2% chance to get what you want (1/84). Let that sink in for a second. To further complicate matters, you are able to repeat drops. Any statistician will tell you that changes that math a lot in terms of the average number of runs required to get a desired piece. It also means that there is still no guarantee to get anything you are after, because statistically, you could get 100 resto staffs in a row and it would be "working as intended."

Everyone hailed the 100% drop as this great thing, but the reality is that it was much easier to get what you wanted at launch. There was a much smaller lootable and every drop (except sword and shield) was at least useful in some context. Now, about 80% of the loot table is complete trash. For me personally, there are three items I still need and one more I wouldnt mind having, so 95.2% of drops are trash or duplicates.

We are back to where we were a few months ago. Where the F is the token system. The other wonderful solution would be trait change. This needs to find its way into the game somehow. Make it difficult, make it expensive, but make it possible. With Update 12, there is going to be so much F'ing gear that getting a set together the way you want it is going to be near impossible.

Edit: There are 96 possible drops, so it's actually 1.04% chance to get what you want. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up...

PurifedBladez · August 2016

I've gotten a heap of lighting and resto stalves.

It just feels wrong as a pvp player to have to spend my eso life in vma and vdsa to get bis weapons for pvp. Especially when the *** I need doesn't drop. I'm giving up on maelstrom atleast till there is a token system because this is absolutely ridiculous.

leepalmer95 · August 2016

VMA was just a bad addition to the game.

A badly made dungeon with so many bugs, stupid mechanics and broken things in.

With rng at the end with items that are pretty much needed in pve and pvp.

Honestly whose idea was it to make normal mobs hit so hard. A light attack of a ranged mob + a hit off something and your dead.

Ignoring the bugs and the 1 shot mechanics.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

VMA was just a bad addition to the game.

A badly made dungeon with so many bugs, stupid mechanics and broken things in.

With rng at the end with items that are pretty much needed in pve and pvp.

Honestly whose idea was it to make normal mobs hit so hard. A light attack of a ranged mob + a hit off something and your dead.

Ignoring the bugs and the 1 shot mechanics.

VMA in it of itself is a cool place. Yes there are too many bugs and I probably wouldn't cry if they nerfed incoming damage by 10%, but nothing teaches you more about your class than working through this arena. It has made me a far better player.

On the other hand, gating mandatory BIS weapons buried behind a ridiculously oversized RNG loot table in a solo instance in an MMO was beyond stupid.

#VMATOKENSYSTEM #TRAITCHANGE

FortheloveofKrist · August 2016

At first I thought the thread title was saying a new trait was introduced called Atrocious.

So now I want to dual wield with two 1H weapons, each with Atrocious. Gives 0.5 sec of Major Brutality. Cooldown is 85 sec.

Niiiiice!

Sargentwilko51 · August 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

At first I thought the thread title was saying a new trait was introduced called Atrocious.

So now I want to dual wield with two 1H weapons, each with Atrocious. Gives 0.5 sec of Major Brutality. Cooldown is 85 sec.

Niiiiice!

That would be better than powered on those same weapons....

or charged... Why do charged VMA weapons even exist? What status effect do they apply?

SunBro · August 2016

I like VMA and don't mind the RNG too much but yea there is a point where you've "proven" yourself and should get a decent reward. I'm all for hard to obtain BiS equipment like other MMOs have but other MMOs also give you nice rewards for actually completing the content. "Hard" content should equal a nice reward.

I honestly hope they add more solo/low man content that's difficult and gives you great stuff. Mainly weapons that are unique in appearance and what they offer

Soleya · August 2016

Saturn wrote: »

The drops aren't "rigged", just because you see a pattern in the RNG, it doesn't mean it isn't random.

Technically it's not random. It's Pseudo Random because computers can't actually do random numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator

Bad drops really just mean a bad seed value.

Preyfar · August 2016

All I get are resto staves.

Smasherx74 · August 2016

The same thing happens to every RNG in game. Set drops, Dungeon ques, etc..

KingYogi415 · August 2016

Smart loot needed!!!

code65536 · August 2016

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

The drops aren't "rigged", just because you see a pattern in the RNG, it doesn't mean it isn't random.

Technically it's not random. It's Pseudo Random because computers can't actually do random numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator

Bad drops really just mean a bad seed value.

Erm, for all practical intents and purposes, it is random. The only time anyone would (or should) care about the difference between PRNG and RNG is if you're in a situation where the seeding is improperly implemented and/or in a cryptographic context where guessing at the seeding can effectively narrow the entropy of a key. Neither of these are applicable or relevant when it comes to game loot rolls.

Saturn · August 2016

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

The drops aren't "rigged", just because you see a pattern in the RNG, it doesn't mean it isn't random.

Technically it's not random. It's Pseudo Random because computers can't actually do random numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator

Bad drops really just mean a bad seed value.

I know, but it's still pretty close to random and one should not look for patterns where there are none.

Everyone can make the argument that the drops they are getting aren't good enough for their needs, but I know some people who only get sharpened weapons and want powered or precise instead, whereas I only get powered and so on. "Randomness" is frustrating, but in my experience there is nothing wrong with the drops in the Maelstrom Arena.

dereck_phantom · August 2016

I get more nirhoned traits than anything in vma too bad that nirhoned isn't that well compared to sharpened. In pvp I do big numbers with my sharpened lekis greatsword than my 2h nirhoned maul all gold.

redspecter23 · August 2016

If traits other than sharpened were useful on dps weapons, I don't think this would be a conversation at all. I find that to be the root of the problem. I sense another trait rebalance coming at some point and I hope the guys they have in the back room doing the math are better than the ones that buffed sharpened, nerfed nirnhoned and reimagined the other traits like training, prosperous, decisive, etc which are all still useless. Even something like infused isn't really a bad trait on its own. It's the opportunity cost of giving up sharpened and having to find the penetration elsewhere that makes infused so trashy.

Stiltz · August 2016

I got what I was looking for on just my 2nd clear (precise resto), so I don't feel the need to go back unless it's just for fun or for stormproof title on an alt.

chimneyswift_ESO · August 2016

I definitely can say it feels rigged. I'm drowning in Restos, Sword and Boards and slightly Bows. 2H weapons are extremely few and far between (only 4 in about 30 or so runs), daggers are rare, as are flame staves. But yes, Restos and SnB are dropping like candy in there...candy that nobody wants.