@lucky_Sage i like the idea of the scaling with missing health. thats a unique perspective that i could get behind

Sharee wrote: »

Eric Wrobel said on one of the ESO lives that they did not want to give DK an execute so that fighting him would feel different, so that, loose quote, "you do not have to be afraid you'll be executed when fighting a DK". That's fine, but what are people supposed to be afraid of when fighting a DK then?

When I hear this, I can't help but get the impression that he is more concerned with the people fighting a DK then the people actually playing the dk.

I think that was the same ESO live that he said he is okay with dragon blood not being good in pvp because it's good in PvE. But he doesn't realize it's not even good in PvE.

juhasman wrote: »

Make dragon blood healing magicka version of Rally healing.

It will have to be a lot better than vigor. Vigor works because of it's combination with steerable dodge rolls, and dodge misses. We don't have the mobility for that. Same reason healing ward won't really work for us.

Armitas wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Eric Wrobel said on one of the ESO lives that they did not want to give DK an execute so that fighting him would feel different, so that, loose quote, "you do not have to be afraid you'll be executed when fighting a DK". That's fine, but what are people supposed to be afraid of when fighting a DK then?

When I hear this, I can't help but get the impression that he is more concerned with the people fighting a DK then the people actually playing the dk.

I think that was the same ESO live that he said he is okay with dragon blood not being good in pvp because it's good in PvE. But he doesn't realize it's not even good in PvE.

I don't know what we can do. Many have sent in data with reccomend changes. Forum posters with EXTENSIVE mDK knowledge have given multiple solutions to the problems that plague the mDK. What do we need to do to get it tweaked to be on par with the other classes? Or really I think the question is what should we as a community do to force them to implement the final changes we need? Should we just spam the forums? Anyone have a phone number for them we can leave message after message? I'm surprised we are still where we are with this class. ZOS..I think the Magic DK community has suffered enough from being godlike in pre 1.5.

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Eric Wrobel said on one of the ESO lives that they did not want to give DK an execute so that fighting him would feel different, so that, loose quote, "you do not have to be afraid you'll be executed when fighting a DK". That's fine, but what are people supposed to be afraid of when fighting a DK then?

When I hear this, I can't help but get the impression that he is more concerned with the people fighting a DK then the people actually playing the dk.

I think that was the same ESO live that he said he is okay with dragon blood not being good in pvp because it's good in PvE. But he doesn't realize it's not even good in PvE.

I don't know what we can do. Many have sent in data with reccomend changes. Forum posters with EXTENSIVE mDK knowledge have given multiple solutions to the problems that plague the mDK. What do we need to do to get it tweaked to be on par with the other classes? Or really I think the question is what should we as a community do to force them to implement the final changes we need? Should we just spam the forums? Anyone have a phone number for them we can leave message after message? I'm surprised we are still where we are with this class. ZOS..I think the Magic DK community has suffered enough from being godlike in pre 1.5.

Just stand in line and wait. Zenimax ballance is making certain build OP for some period of time and mDK was 1st in line so now other build need to get their 5 minutes and then mDK will be again 1st in line

juhasman wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Make dragon blood healing magicka version of Rally healing.

It will have to be a lot better than vigor. Vigor works because of it's combination with steerable dodge rolls, and dodge misses. We don't have the mobility for that. Same reason healing ward won't really work for us.

Rally healing not vigor healing. It provides HoT plus longer it last larger heal You'll get when recast it. And it would be magicka scaled heal. So when You use it at the beggining of the fight and then Your hp goes low You can recast it and get burst instant heal which not scales of Your missing hp but of Your max stats and time You waited between recasts. And block combined with all passives and buffs is enough substitute for lack of dodge roll spam.

I don't stam, how much would the immediate heal tick for in a realistic Dk build? I think it would have to be descending rather than ascending at the least though.

juhasman wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Make dragon blood healing magicka version of Rally healing.

It will have to be a lot better than vigor. Vigor works because of it's combination with steerable dodge rolls, and dodge misses. We don't have the mobility for that. Same reason healing ward won't really work for us.

Rally healing not vigor healing. It provides HoT plus longer it last larger heal You'll get when recast it. And it would be magicka scaled heal. So when You use it at the beggining of the fight and then Your hp goes low You can recast it and get burst instant heal which not scales of Your missing hp but of Your max stats and time You waited between recasts. And block combined with all passives and buffs is enough substitute for lack of dodge roll spam.

I don't stam, how much would the immediate heal tick for in a realistic Dk build? I think it would have to be descending rather than ascending at the least though.

Depends from time You'll wait and buffs You'll have up to 15k+. Numbers of cousre dont need to be the same like on Rally i am just talking about idea of how skill could work.

To work it would need to be able to take you from 30% health to over 50% health instantly, so probably 5-6k on the first cast. Would be nice to have it give a hot if cast while over 50% health and a single burst heal if you are under 50% health. Kind of like mutagen but any current hot from it would not disappear if you dropped to 50% and cast it.

DKsUnite wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y7g3egZd5z0Sstn0XKKy7cznavWqoezpfQypLOz7kbY/edit?usp=sharing

So this is going to be a document i want to make with all of the magicka DKs to give to the DEVs at the next meeting
Please send me a private message with a email so i can invite you to edit and contribute your ideas if you so wish
I will only be giving out edit access to people I trust so sorry to the people i dont know (and hence dont trust) you HOWEVER, please leave a comment with a suggestion and i/someone will glady put it in

If you are making contributions, please try to think about pve mDK DPS being top tier already and stam DK already being top tier in pvp. Make sure your buffs only effect pvp mDK!!

Im not saying that all these buffs should be implemented but rather giving as many suggestions as possible. Explain why you think a change should happen aswell so they have a reason to implement it

Thanks

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P.S - Someone tag Jules for me, i cant find her lol?
P.S.S. - please tag more people that you think will contribute or like to

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD A FINISHER PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE

The awkward moment when you have a dream that you meet @Wrobel and he says he wants you to help him balance mDK and you explain to him everything that's wrong and he says he will do those fixes and then you wake up and your soul is crushed

Ardent Flame

Dragonknight Standard:
Unmorphed Version is fine as is.

Standard of Might:
250 Ultimate is fine with all circumstances considered ~PvE wise~
I would grant CC immunity for the whole duration inside Standard of Might, this ability costs 250 ultimate and it should feel like an ultimate. This way opponents still have the option to dodge roll, run, or shield up the damage while the Dragonknight has the feeling of "Stand Your Ground" inside the Standard.
20% Increased Damage Done, 20% Reduced Damage Taken, Major Defile, and CC Immunity for the duration only while inside the Standard radius.

Shifting Standard:
I would create this skill into a toggle, give it a flaming circle around your feet, and call it Flames of Oblivion.
Basically, I would intend to bring back the unique Flames of Oblivion move (toggle, moved around you, cool animation) and make it into a viable ultimate. The duration would be infinite but when the player reaches 0 ultimate the skill shuts off (like how Flames of Oblivion would reach 0 Magicka and shut off).
This Ultimate should provide 8% increased damage done and 8% reduced damage taken along with the Major Defile debuff, but also be the same size/radius as Standard. 1000 Ultimate = 23 Ultimate/s ~ 43.47 seconds, 250 Ultimate = 23 Ultimate/s ~ 10.87 seconds up time.
Each second would also provide Battle Roar... 23 Ultimate per tick would be a steady amount of resources when the toggle is on.

Fiery Grip
The first thing I would do with this ability is fix the Y-axis (like how it was at launch). Being able to chain players (and yell COME OVER HERE) off keep walls was a staple to Dragon Knights back at launch. CC immunity I don't think will be fixed with this skill ever.

Empowering Chains
Change this name to "Unrelenting Chains"
I would first fix the ability to actually work like a charge (Shield Charge, Crit Charge, etc.) to a player if they decide to dodge roll (just like how a channel would land). I would change Major Empower buff into a 3 Second Stun.

Unrelenting Grip
Change this abilities name to "Empowered Grip"
Fix the Y-Axis, I would add Major Empower to this ability and add a set-off balance.

Searing Strike/Burning Embers
I believe the skill is fine as is.

Engulfing Flames
I would add another buff to Engulfing Flames along with the 10% Fire Damage done: Makes Fire Damage over Time skills unpurgable (Searing Strikes, Burning, Talons, Volatile Armor, Fire Clench, and Impulse). ~ Would not affect PvE.

Flame Lash
Flame Lash is fine as is ~ but Flame Lash Exploit is not.
Flame Lash Exploit should start to scale with enemy health at 50% health for upto 100% damage increase (similar to Steel Tornado).

Inferno
This skill is a disaster.
It was a DoT in 1.6 which was fine (actually very good) in PvE. Needs a total revamp. The unmorphed version is fine, but morphed versions should be neet and build upon Inferno.

Flames of Oblivion
I would change this name to Hellfire (because Shifting Standard got its named changed). This morph should provide a DoT for PvE like how it was intended in 1.6 and be able to shoot at mutliple targets.

Cauterize
Cauterize only launches 1 Fireball at an ally for 5 seconds and the heal is very minimal. I would lessen the heal by a 1/4 (it is that weak), and make it shoot (up to 6) Fireballs to different targets that would be blasted with an AoE heal. The AoE heal could be thought of as a mini Healing Springs (max 6 per AoE heal). - 1 Ball hits 1 person near a group of 6 then all the people around that 1 person would be healed.

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Draconic Power

Ferocious Leap
Make this morph Fire Damage, absorbs 200% health for 6 seconds. (Nobody would dare use Leap in PvE, but may see some use in VMA. 30k HP in Cyrodiil = 30k HP Shield for 6 seconds @ 100 Ultimate.)

Spiked Armor
First things first, make Spiked Armor deal Fire Damage.

Hardened Armor
10% Max Health shield is incredibly weak. I would do my calculations like how Igneous Shield is, or I would double the damage of Hardened Armor so it actually deals a decent amount of damage on hit on melee attackers.

Volatile Armor
The morph knocks players out of stealth, does a weak DoT, but also grants fire damage to melee attacks.

Dark Talons
Make the skill and synergy deal Fire Damage.

Burning Talons
Fine as is. Synergy should deal Fire Damage.

Choking Talons
Make the skill and synergy deal Fire Damage.

Dragon Blood
We've seen that ZoS can change abilities in Cyrodiil (Dragon Leap is unaffected by the range increase given by Battle Spirit, and inside certain areas in the Imperial City).
Fix Dragon Blood... Or atleast make it heal a flat, crittable - nonadjustable amount like 10k total ~ 5k in Cyrodiil.

Green Dragon Blood
This skill should provide a flat stamina regeneration such as ~ 2000 stamina over 20 seconds. Give or take.

Coagulating Blood
Fix Dragon Blood... This skill could also provide a small HoT instead of health recovery (as much as the duration and heal as Mutagen (no low health heal of course).

Reflective Scales
The hit to Dynamic Ult Gen and Perma Blocking made this skill very lackluster. I would increase the number of projectiles to at the very least 8 ~considering all the above buffs/fixes.

Reflective Plate
Rename to Absorbing Plate
I really do like the idea of it absorbing projectiles, maybe it can grant 2.5% Max Magicka/Stamina. (A flat amount may be too powerful or too weak considering stamina/magicka balances).

Dragon Fire Scales
The skill is fine, the number of projectiles just needs to be upped to atleast 8.

Inhale
I would change the initial damage from Magic to Fire.

Deep Breath
This skill should Interrupt on both hits. A Deep Inhale, A Deep Exhale.

Draw Essence
Second Hit restores 5% of the abilities cost for each enemy hit as Magicka and Stamina.

Elder Dragon
Health Recovery is bad especially when magicka Dragonknights are exclusively Vampires which makes this skill counterproductive.
Reducing the cost of block by 2.5/5% (5/10% if it needs to be upped some) makes a ton more sense for this skill tree.

Scaled Armor
Already mention but it should also increase Armor along with Spell Resistance.

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Earthen Heart

Magma Shell
Spell Penetration and the Shielding Radius buff was agreed upon. And I do agree.

Stonefist
I would increase the range to the full 28 meters instead of Nightblade Impale distance.

Obsidian Shard
This skill only heals 1 ally, but does a decent heal. The heal should be an AoE similar to how I described Cauterize to be making it a (definently not as powerful) DK Breath of Life.

Stone Giant
Make this skill deal Fire Damage, call it Magma Fist, give it a small radius AoE that deal half the initial damage ~ now it is a spammable mini-Valkyn Skoria proc. Neet, but not OP and provides new builds to play a Magicka DK.

Molten Weapons
Definently PvE and Group Play, Keep it the same.

Obsidian Shield
Another staple for DKs, unmorphed is fine.

Igneous Shield
This skill is fine as is.

Fragmented Shield
First, make this skill deal Fire Damage. If we made it into a Blazing Shield equivalent, there goes Templar Class Identity... This skill should deal the damage twice ~ once when the DK casts this spell and another when the shield is broken.

Petrify
Unmorphed is fine.

Fossilize
This morph is fine.

Shattering Rocks
Only a 50% chance to set off balance makes this skill unreliable, therefore Fossilize is clearly the better choice. This skill should provide the 100% chance to set off balance.

Ash Cloud
All the morphs are fine, I agree, Templars should be the one with the "In My House" playstyle... while Dragonknights should be "I'm Going Invade Your House" playstyle.

Helping Hands
Should definently be a flat Stamina rate. Percentages would buff Stamina DK, while it also cripples Magicka DKs.
Stamina Builds are reaching 40k Stamina, so 5% = 2000 Stamina. 30k Stamina = 1500 Stamina. I would be in favor of a flat 1500 Stamina, or a flat 1250 Stamina. The average Magicka DK probably has around 16k Stamina which equates to 800 Stamina, so a flat 1250-1500 Stamina is a buff to Magicka DKs and a negligible nerf to Stamina DKs.

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Just giving my spill on how I would make Magicka Dragonknights Reborn.

Samuel_Bantien wrote: »

Searing Strike/Burning Embers
I believe the skill is fine as is.

It'll be perfect if gives minor/major defile for 6 secs. A strong dot that reduces healing received.

The problem is, evry know what you want for buffs. You want the mdk are like in there great times. You chouse the class because vidios like this https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QsTdBxxa-sU&ved=0ahUKEwifsN3Ah93OAhXMfRoKHaO1C58QwqsBCDQwBA&usg=AFQjCNG9odDFxr5AcdjJ72wHf7DZpb6j6A

But you are right, they need some buffs like magika gabcloser and old dragonblood( with nerfing burnig embers, same would op) and fire damage dragonjump morph

Btw for those of you saying make our gap closer like shield charge....you would hit sorc mines in front of you if used. If you use chains you won't set the mines off. If you meant the stun when hit, yeah that would be sweet. But regardless it does need to be made more reliable and not be so buggy.