Your Opinion: Is Sportsmanship a Relevant Concept in Videogames?

frozywozy · August 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

The only time I teabag is when 10 plus of us chase down one enemy cause I know that'll get their goat the most.

Manoekin · August 2016

I think some people take this game too seriously on both fronts. Threatening someone outside of the game is uncalled for. Getting upset because someone called you bad or teabagged you is laughable. Some people really do need thicker skin. This was touched on earlier, but it really is just a game. Allowing yourself to get so worked up over anything other than personal threats is equally "childish" imo.

Sandman929 · August 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

I think some people take this game too seriously on both fronts. Threatening someone outside of the game is uncalled for. Getting upset because someone called you bad or teabagged you is laughable. Some people really do need thicker skin. This was touched on earlier, but it really is just a game. Allowing yourself to get so worked up over anything other than personal threats is equally "childish" imo.

I don't get upset with teabags or juvenile insults any more than I get upset with a child sticking his tongue out at me. I just think it's strange behavior for anyone over age 13.

Manoekin · August 2016

Sandman929 wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I think some people take this game too seriously on both fronts. Threatening someone outside of the game is uncalled for. Getting upset because someone called you bad or teabagged you is laughable. Some people really do need thicker skin. This was touched on earlier, but it really is just a game. Allowing yourself to get so worked up over anything other than personal threats is equally "childish" imo.

I don't get upset with teabags or juvenile insults any more than I get upset with a child sticking his tongue out at me. I just think it's strange behavior for anyone over age 13.

Lots of people would say the same thing about playing video games.

Some people may like a more heated contest anyway.

JDar · August 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Keep in mind that if a college athlete screamed, "KILL YOURSELF" at an opposing team when they lost a game, he'd likely lose his scholarship. If a professional did it, he'd be cut from the team. There's nothing like that in ESO, nobody here is getting a paycheck apart from a few streamers and gold sellers, and you're not even at risk of losing your account for huge violations of the TOS like Cheat Engine. So there's really no incentive for people here to show sportsmanship apart from their own morals telling them to do so.

Actually one of my old guildmates was permabanned for that. It was Sarenvog. He never cheated -- he was a true warrior in that regard. This game meant everything to him when he played. Unfortunately he said stuff like that all the time and while I don't think any of it was really beyond the pale (sticks and stones. He said the same crap to everybody), he was such a recidivist that they had to do it.

Everyone pays a price for what they do in game. I have said some pretty nasty stuff to people and I can't PvP with certain groups because I told them what I thought about them.

The difference is that cheaters pay very little. Some people get a very nice break playing Overwatch. This is the "safe zone" mentality that a lot of modern intellectuals have, where hurting someone's feelings is the highest priority for policing, and clearly it has pervaded the mindset of East Coast establishment companies like Zenimax

Elong · August 2016

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

JDar · August 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

I think some people take this game too seriously on both fronts. Threatening someone outside of the game is uncalled for. Getting upset because someone called you bad or teabagged you is laughable. Some people really do need thicker skin. This was touched on earlier, but it really is just a game. Allowing yourself to get so worked up over anything other than personal threats is equally "childish" imo.

I believe the opposite of what you say.

Personal threats over the internet are more likely the manifestation of impotent rage, and therefore should be disregarded. But telling somebody they suck when they truly are is a true insult. Ish hurts lol I know this to be true because I kind of suck. But I play anyway though

This is a good litmus test in general. If you can't get to the point in this game where people respect your game and competence, even on a very basic level (I mean like Jdar basic level) then I don't understand how can you live your life like that? In that sense I do agree with you that thicker skin is necessary.

LBJ used to give orders to his subordinates while he was on the White House shitter, and people couldn't handle it. Come on people step up.

Edited like a drunk english teacher

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Elong wrote: »

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

I have to strongly disagree here. No one likes to lose, but high competition != poor sportsmanship. Some sports may exhibit more displays of poor sportsmanship from competitors than others, but I do think it just comes down to whether or not the competitor is a raging jerk or not. Add in the anonymity of online gaming, and I would say it is easily more toxic in mmos as few are worried about any sort of issues arising from their actions.

JDar · August 2016

My big beef is with cheaters. People are always telling me that Tom Brady is the avatar of All That Is Good and Holy in The Holy Game of Football but the man knew his team was messing with the game balls for his team's advantage. And he didn't gquit. You can say whatever you want to me. But people who defend this "man" who probably shaves his body parts disgust me and are probably Cheat Engine users too.

Manoekin · August 2016

JDar wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I think some people take this game too seriously on both fronts. Threatening someone outside of the game is uncalled for. Getting upset because someone called you bad or teabagged you is laughable. Some people really do need thicker skin. This was touched on earlier, but it really is just a game. Allowing yourself to get so worked up over anything other than personal threats is equally "childish" imo.

I believe the opposite of what you say.

Personal threats over the internet are more likely the manifestation of impotent rage, and therefore should be disregarded. But telling somebody they suck when they truly are is a true insult. Ish hurts lol I know this to be true because I kind of suck. But I play anyway though

This is a good litmus test in general. If you can't get to the point in this game where people respect your game and competence, even on a very basic level (I mean like Jdar basic level) then I don't understand how can you live your life like that? In that sense I do agree with you that thicker skin is necessary.

LBJ used to give orders to his subordinates while he was on the White House shitter, and people couldn't handle it. Come on people step up.

Edited like a drunk english teacher

Someone may call you bad and maybe you are but honestly who cares? If that's what you play the game for you're playing for the wrong reasons imo.

Lynnessa · August 2016

heystreethawk wrote: »

A man got to have a code.

What is our code?

Our code is to have no code.

What is our way?

Every way.

What is our goal?

To thrive in the shadows while our enemies perish in the light.

On topic.... A video game is not a sport, in my opinion, and therefore I can't say that sportsmanship is relevant (though another word for sportsmanship is gamesmanship). I think people who practice sportsmanship in other things will also do so in video games, but as already mentioned the anonymity afforded by the internet and the lack of measurable consequences for actions makes it easier for people to act like jerkfaces.

jhharvest · August 2016

Imo people should be nice to one another IRL and online, even if the other person is on the opposing team. If you can't communicate in a civil manner, you've been brought up poorly or you have anger management issues - I would suggest seeking professional help.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

I have a personal code of conduct based around sportsmanship that I can't stick to as rigidly as I'd like, and I don't expect anyone else to stick to it, but it's nice when I come across like-minded players, on any faction.

Pchela · August 2016

I generally won't send hate tells but I have slipped up maybe a few times when I've gotten really angry. If I get them I'll ignore them, move on. Not bothering to feed it.

I had a really great fight once with what turned out to be a GM of a guild I was in. A good fifteen minutes long and he got me, we had a pleasant exchange of gf. These are fellow people behind the screens who are playing the same game we are. We're all here for the fun of it. But a lot of poor reactions come from how a person is and it's not something that can be policed. It's up to them to change.

Elong · August 2016

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

I have to strongly disagree here. No one likes to lose, but high competition != poor sportsmanship. Some sports may exhibit more displays of poor sportsmanship from competitors than others, but I do think it just comes down to whether or not the competitor is a raging jerk or not. Add in the anonymity of online gaming, and I would say it is easily more toxic in mmos as few are worried about any sort of issues arising from their actions.

I played sport at a semi professional level for a few years. Trust me, this is a cake walk in comparison.

IxSTALKERxI · August 2016

Showing atleast some sportsmanship is important in games, makes the game more enjoyable for all. I personally don't teabag, and it's actually always been a venatus guild rule not to teabag, which turns out to be quite a challenge for some people. Sometimes I don't attack enemies and show some mercy.

The 'night capping' topic is quite a sensitive one. The ESO community is actually lucky to have people from all over the world, including Japan, EU, and Australia. There actually quite a number of them that play. Most 'nights' in trueflame, populations are 2bar DC, 3bar EP, 3bar AD, these fluctuate depending on who is 'winning' or having the most enjoyment on the map at the time which is why sometimes one will drop lower than the other. Despite popular belief, the majority of this population is actually made up of players from Japan, EU, and Australia. For the most part, oceanic time has been very competitive this campaign with a lot of fun lag free fights.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Elong wrote: »

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

I have to strongly disagree here. No one likes to lose, but high competition != poor sportsmanship. Some sports may exhibit more displays of poor sportsmanship from competitors than others, but I do think it just comes down to whether or not the competitor is a raging jerk or not. Add in the anonymity of online gaming, and I would say it is easily more toxic in mmos as few are worried about any sort of issues arising from their actions.

I played sport at a semi professional level for a few years. Trust me, this is a cake walk in comparison.

I am currently in that world...Except it's at the professional level-world championships, Olympic trials, etc. Perhaps you're talking about a more "showy" sport (awful word choice here probably) like American football or baseball? I suppose I could see those having a bit more drama as some players get such insane salaries.

Regardless, I stand by what I said-people being jerks/insecure/ragers, that's where unsportsmanlike behaviour comes from. In professional sports, you can lose sponsorships by acting inappropriately. In eso, what happens? Nothing. So the toxicity runs rampant.

scorpiodog · August 2016

In a game or in real life you are either a turd or you arent.

In life You can be a rich turd but you are still a turd. But it isn't necessary to be a turd to be successful - that's a personal choice.

Eso is the same just that you can be an anonymous turd with an edge. But you don't have to be a turd in eso - that would be a personal choice.

Elong · August 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

If you think there's sportsmanship in competitive sport, then I can only assume most of you haven't been good enough to be competitive. The atmosphere is more toxic than ESO, trust me.

I have to strongly disagree here. No one likes to lose, but high competition != poor sportsmanship. Some sports may exhibit more displays of poor sportsmanship from competitors than others, but I do think it just comes down to whether or not the competitor is a raging jerk or not. Add in the anonymity of online gaming, and I would say it is easily more toxic in mmos as few are worried about any sort of issues arising from their actions.

I played sport at a semi professional level for a few years. Trust me, this is a cake walk in comparison.

I am currently in that world...Except it's at the professional level-world championships, Olympic trials, etc. Perhaps you're talking about a more "showy" sport (awful word choice here probably) like American football or baseball? I suppose I could see those having a bit more drama as some players get such insane salaries.

Regardless, I stand by what I said-people being jerks/insecure/ragers, that's where unsportsmanlike behaviour comes from. In professional sports, you can lose sponsorships by acting inappropriately. In eso, what happens? Nothing. So the toxicity runs rampant.

Nah, Cricket, if Americans have heard of that haha. I can see where you're coming from too.

cbaudersub17_ESO · August 2016

@Chuga_Rei: Heike deserves some credit to snuffing out undeserved ‘they cheat’ talk with the players jumping into our groups.

Think of my pew pew arrows as from cupid.

Chuga_Rei · August 2016

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

@Chuga_Rei: Heike deserves some credit to snuffing out undeserved ‘they cheat’ talk with the players jumping into our groups.

Think of my pew pew arrows as from cupid.

I told him how much i appreciate it in both tells and i believe in this thread or another. thank you again.

Lokey0024 · August 2016

No accountability combined with anonymity makes it irrelevant. Why do you think CE was a thing.

Hopefully structured pvp makes avoiding known cheats easier.

KisoValley · August 2016

Don't think people on ESO realise how lucky they are this community isn't very toxic lol.

Certain games, you do something similar to tbagging someone, you get ddos'd for the next month, doxed, have pizza sent to your home as well as work and possibly lose your career if you pissed off the wrong guy.

arkansas_ESO · August 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

The only time I will t-bag someone is when I get chased down 5v1 for more than 2 minutes straight, using LoS (pvtree / pvrock) to try to survive as much as I can because this is my favorite playstyle to give an important meaning to death in this game, and then by some miracle I manage to turn the fight around and to kill those guys who decided to give up on their precious AP farming to turn their mission into a "Must kill this guy at all cost no matter what".

On the other end, I see people t-bagging for the total opposite reason. As people mention in this thread, several times they will get t-bagged after getting zerged down. Some people even declare that a t-bag is like a handshake for them. *facepalm*

T-bagging is a very childish and disrespectful move and should only be used (if used at all) against people who show poor sportsmanship, who are known to send rage whispers on a daily basis, and such.

Oh and on a different note, what I find also disgusting is people who have the sole purpose to spread false rumors about you to try to get as much people as possible hate on you. That is also very innapropriated and can hurt alot in the long run.

Can you really complain about being ounumbered when all you do is zerg surf?

smacx250 · August 2016

I've never hate whispered anyone, never tbagged anyone. But I don't have close friends in the game that I'm competing with, either. I mean, my RL buddy and I may punch each other in the arm for a good hurt and a laugh, 'cause we know it's all in fun. But I don't do that to strangers...

ForsakenSin · August 2016

well i can tell you what i hate ... when i play as mage and get ganged by 4 NB killed within few sec and then Tbag and laughing and im like.. really ? 4 vs 1 ganged what did you expect me to do ? welldone you got a easy kill slow clap be proud of your achievements....

i know i posted this before but its something i will not forget and it was best moment in pvp

" in pvp where we were versing blue and getting wrecked like unstoppable force and i went to other side of the fight in other words "I'm not retreating,i'm just advancing in a different direction" lol as i was " advancing in a different direction " i ran into the yellow player and we both stopped and i think we startled each other a bit and behind me there were 4 blues coming towards us i done " group up" ( im not sure if he was able to see it) but i done few shoots with the staff in blue direction and once when they got close we killed them ive done the thank you and few other emoticons showing my gratitude and he done the same and both with laughter one in front of blue bodies LOL waived our goodbyes and we went our separate way that reminded me " enemy of my enemy is my friend" lol"

Chuga_Rei · August 2016

How arre people not laughing when people send hate tells. I purposely try and see how long I can keep them going lol.

raviour · August 2016

most people in pvp are cool, i found a lot more stress and rage in the pve community. i would say 2% of pvp players are toxic and as someone said humans are wired to remember bad stuff for survival reasons. got many happy memories from pvp zone comedy, against the odds fort captures where everyone feels great after, funny trials teamspeaks and glenumbra zone chat. everyone bought the game to have fun, some have fun being a *** but i think eso has a nice community. most are aware enough to respect that most are here for fun and people are mostly nice and happy to play with each other, thats sportmanship and it is relevant.

and pvp is definitely a sport.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

How arre people not laughing when people send hate tells. I purposely try and see how long I can keep them going lol.

This

...as a ganker I won't be caught tbagging (except in the rare cases where they really really deserved it lol). But it's even more of a sport for me to see how worked up they get with what I reply back to their hate tells.

Odditorium · August 2016

Here's a classic example of poor sportsmanship. I made this post two years ago. The point was someone wiping a low level dolmen (where generals do not spawn) and not allowing me to get the kill exp. I've gotten the General Executioner achievement on four different toons. My code does not allow me deny lower levels of their exp. It would make me feel sucky. Check out the responses.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/129958/hardcore-gaming-is-gone-with-the-wind-at-least-in-eso/p1