IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

@Xeven The comparison you're making doesn't work at all. They are completely different sets with completely different purposes.

Okay let me explain. This set is the only one that has a 10 second cooldown, making it almost garbage for PvE. I'll get into PvP later.

Nerien'eth: Crystal has 10% proc chance but can be procc'ed every 3 seconds off direct damage attacks because of the fact that the Crystal takes 3 seconds to explode. Therefore its higher DPS than Velidreth. The Crystals are AoE hence the lower damage while Velidreth is single target only hence the higher tooltip.

Valkyn Skoria: this too has a cooldown of 5 seconds, but if you have enough DoTs (usually 4 is plenty) you'll have Meteors flying every 5 seconds. More DPS than Velidreth again. Again Skoria has splash damage so its AoE, it locks onto the target, whereas Velidreth can miss completely and its not AoE.

Velidreth has more burst sure, but in PvE that burst is useless so the 10 second cooldown kills the set. You can still use it, but better to just run a 5 piece Vicious Ophidian/Roar of Alkosh.

In PvP it does have burst, but its currently bugged: works only on flat surfaces. Maybe its intended, maybe not.
But the 20% proc rate in PvP is a lot. I'm wondering whether DoTs proc it or not. The set is very powerful already with the 1 piece bonus, which is way too strong in my opinion.
Then again this set is made for burst and burst only. It is dodgeable (even if its near impossible at close range). If you take it in your face once you won't get a second one straight away. Plus that burst is useless in an outbumbered situation, because it can only occur every 10 seconds. The cooldown is more than you might think, if you dodge roll a Dizzy Swing and Velidreth procs, you get AT LEAST 10 seconds where it won't proc.
In some situations this set is OP, like a few other sets. In others there are better options.

Couldn't be more wrong...the set averages 2.4k dps single target and can be over 3k with adds...it's BiS for PvE

@hedna123b14_ESO Yep while Nerien'eth and Skoria are a 3k DPS increase to your current DPS level. Check out Asayre's thread on these two sets. Both of them are AoE too.
Velidreth has a cooldown of 10 seconds right? So thats ~12k every 10 seconds (non-crit only). Skoria deals 8k every 5 seconds. Nerien'eth deals 9k every 3 seconds (5.77 sec). Then if you take crits into consideration, Nerien'eth and Skoria have more chances to crit, because they proc more often. There's just no way Velidreth can out-DPS these two monster sets. And thats without even talking about Molag Kena.
Also Velidreth is single target only, only one spore is supposed to deal damage not all three, unless its bugged.

Thus Velidreth is utter s*** in PvE.

And to correct you, it never will be BiS for PvE. Its 4 Roar of Alkosh + 1 Kena OR 5 Vicious Serpent + TBS + MSA Dagger/Axe + MSA Bow. Why? Alkosh for more damage, Vicious for sustain. If you are the one wearing Nightmother's Gaze in your trial group, well then Velidreth might be a good option (a stam DK or a stam Sorc who know what they are doing will chose Skoria without hesitation).

I'm not sure where you are getting information from, but it's clearly wrong. Asayre is a good friend and no where in his analysis will you see skoria hit for 3k dps, neither will Nerieneth.

Skoria ranges between 1 to 1.5k dps and maybe if you are lucky can get close to (but not quiet) 2k on a DK. Nerieneth can average 1.5-2k dps. These numbers are of course speaking for single target damage. In AoE Skoria's can hit for significantly more, 2.5-3.5k. Nerieneth is capable of hitting for 4-5k dps in AoE. Saying that skoria or Nerieneth can hit 3k dps single target is out right lying. I play all classes with the exception of stam sorc. I have all the BiS sets and I have tested them all. Please stop making up silly numbers.

Velidreth averages 2.2-2.6k in single Target and up to 7k+ in AoE...

To correct you on Velidreth. Velidreth can have all 3 spores hit, bit they will only hit a target once, meaning in single Target only 1 spore will hit. In AoE all 3 have a chance to hit. I know since I have the set and have TESTED it.

Skoria cooldown is 5 seconds, but even on a DoT DK it does not proc every 5 seconds. Averages between 6.5 to 8 seconds in single target. Nerieneth with FP procs an average of once every 6.5-7.5 seconds on single target. This is the reality and not the fiction you are coming up with.

As for BiS sets you are clueless yet again. Alkosh is worn by tanks, in order to free up dps to run dps sets. Running 5 VO is a good alternative, but the only gain besides sustain is a 3.14% crit, which nowhere near is as good as Velidreth damage. I run a khajit stamblade WITH Velidreth. In my group repentance and shards are plentiful, but I can tell you that in a 5-7 minute fight I end up needing a shard only 2-3 times max, so the sustain is fine. The BiS for a stam user (if someone is already running NM) is 3 VO 2 Velidreth 5 TBS and vMA weapons dagger/axe /bow. Only the templars do not run vMA weapons. This is the meta for sorcs NB and DK. Alkosh is not for the DPS to run.

I can provide parses with each of my stam toons hitting 40k+ dps in trials....some of them have velidreth critting for 32k+...can you provide the same evidence?

Okay... On the gear sets I never said running 5 piece Alkosh on a DPS. I said 4 Alkosh and 1 Molag Kena... Which is something that people have been using as an alternative to the 5 piece VO.

I did not know that about Velidreth, I only have a few crappy shoulder pieces so far (prosperous and training obviously). So yes that does make Velidreth more appealing in AoE.

If I recall correctly, Neri increases the DPS as opposed to no-monster set from ~25k to ~27.5k, this is from the thread I mentionned earlier. Skoria went from the ~25k to ~27k or something like that. Which is why I said 3k increase because obviously there are builds that can pull out more damage. I'm on xbox so I can't accurately test things and I have to use what I can use, meaning other people's parses and analysis. Hence the fiction I'm coming up with. So yes if you do not mind, I'd like to see a comparison between the usual 5 VO + 5 TBS set up and the set-up you said was the new meta.

OGLezard wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

I've seen several people get gibbed today from this set, obviously in conjunction with other ingame sets.

Stamina Nightblades are back baby! oh wait...

I'm a 12 Step respeccing MagSorc junkie who has basically given up on competitive play in PVP so I really don't care at this point. Make it all OP Zos go for it..

100% this, i love my sorc, been playing him exclusively since beta. Now he is just there for when i want to run a dungeon with him (very rare).

If you dont play meta builds or clone derpaderp streamers, then being competitive in pvp is not gonna happen.

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

@Xeven The comparison you're making doesn't work at all. They are completely different sets with completely different purposes.

Okay let me explain. This set is the only one that has a 10 second cooldown, making it almost garbage for PvE. I'll get into PvP later.

Nerien'eth: Crystal has 10% proc chance but can be procc'ed every 3 seconds off direct damage attacks because of the fact that the Crystal takes 3 seconds to explode. Therefore its higher DPS than Velidreth. The Crystals are AoE hence the lower damage while Velidreth is single target only hence the higher tooltip.

Valkyn Skoria: this too has a cooldown of 5 seconds, but if you have enough DoTs (usually 4 is plenty) you'll have Meteors flying every 5 seconds. More DPS than Velidreth again. Again Skoria has splash damage so its AoE, it locks onto the target, whereas Velidreth can miss completely and its not AoE.

Velidreth has more burst sure, but in PvE that burst is useless so the 10 second cooldown kills the set. You can still use it, but better to just run a 5 piece Vicious Ophidian/Roar of Alkosh.

In PvP it does have burst, but its currently bugged: works only on flat surfaces. Maybe its intended, maybe not.
But the 20% proc rate in PvP is a lot. I'm wondering whether DoTs proc it or not. The set is very powerful already with the 1 piece bonus, which is way too strong in my opinion.
Then again this set is made for burst and burst only. It is dodgeable (even if its near impossible at close range). If you take it in your face once you won't get a second one straight away. Plus that burst is useless in an outbumbered situation, because it can only occur every 10 seconds. The cooldown is more than you might think, if you dodge roll a Dizzy Swing and Velidreth procs, you get AT LEAST 10 seconds where it won't proc.
In some situations this set is OP, like a few other sets. In others there are better options.

Couldn't be more wrong...the set averages 2.4k dps single target and can be over 3k with adds...it's BiS for PvE

@hedna123b14_ESO Yep while Nerien'eth and Skoria are a 3k DPS increase to your current DPS level. Check out Asayre's thread on these two sets. Both of them are AoE too.
Velidreth has a cooldown of 10 seconds right? So thats ~12k every 10 seconds (non-crit only). Skoria deals 8k every 5 seconds. Nerien'eth deals 9k every 3 seconds (5.77 sec). Then if you take crits into consideration, Nerien'eth and Skoria have more chances to crit, because they proc more often. There's just no way Velidreth can out-DPS these two monster sets. And thats without even talking about Molag Kena.
Also Velidreth is single target only, only one spore is supposed to deal damage not all three, unless its bugged.

Thus Velidreth is utter s*** in PvE.

And to correct you, it never will be BiS for PvE. Its 4 Roar of Alkosh + 1 Kena OR 5 Vicious Serpent + TBS + MSA Dagger/Axe + MSA Bow. Why? Alkosh for more damage, Vicious for sustain. If you are the one wearing Nightmother's Gaze in your trial group, well then Velidreth might be a good option (a stam DK or a stam Sorc who know what they are doing will chose Skoria without hesitation).

I'm not sure where you are getting information from, but it's clearly wrong. Asayre is a good friend and no where in his analysis will you see skoria hit for 3k dps, neither will Nerieneth.

Skoria ranges between 1 to 1.5k dps and maybe if you are lucky can get close to (but not quiet) 2k on a DK. Nerieneth can average 1.5-2k dps. These numbers are of course speaking for single target damage. In AoE Skoria's can hit for significantly more, 2.5-3.5k. Nerieneth is capable of hitting for 4-5k dps in AoE. Saying that skoria or Nerieneth can hit 3k dps single target is out right lying. I play all classes with the exception of stam sorc. I have all the BiS sets and I have tested them all. Please stop making up silly numbers.

Velidreth averages 2.2-2.6k in single Target and up to 7k+ in AoE...

To correct you on Velidreth. Velidreth can have all 3 spores hit, bit they will only hit a target once, meaning in single Target only 1 spore will hit. In AoE all 3 have a chance to hit. I know since I have the set and have TESTED it.

Skoria cooldown is 5 seconds, but even on a DoT DK it does not proc every 5 seconds. Averages between 6.5 to 8 seconds in single target. Nerieneth with FP procs an average of once every 6.5-7.5 seconds on single target. This is the reality and not the fiction you are coming up with.

As for BiS sets you are clueless yet again. Alkosh is worn by tanks, in order to free up dps to run dps sets. Running 5 VO is a good alternative, but the only gain besides sustain is a 3.14% crit, which nowhere near is as good as Velidreth damage. I run a khajit stamblade WITH Velidreth. In my group repentance and shards are plentiful, but I can tell you that in a 5-7 minute fight I end up needing a shard only 2-3 times max, so the sustain is fine. The BiS for a stam user (if someone is already running NM) is 3 VO 2 Velidreth 5 TBS and vMA weapons dagger/axe /bow. Only the templars do not run vMA weapons. This is the meta for sorcs NB and DK. Alkosh is not for the DPS to run.

I can provide parses with each of my stam toons hitting 40k+ dps in trials....some of them have velidreth critting for 32k+...can you provide the same evidence?

Okay... On the gear sets I never said running 5 piece Alkosh on a DPS. I said 4 Alkosh and 1 Molag Kena... Which is something that people have been using as an alternative to the 5 piece VO.

I did not know that about Velidreth, I only have a few crappy shoulder pieces so far (prosperous and training obviously). So yes that does make Velidreth more appealing in AoE.

If I recall correctly, Neri increases the DPS as opposed to no-monster set from ~25k to ~27.5k, this is from the thread I mentionned earlier. Skoria went from the ~25k to ~27k or something like that. Which is why I said 3k increase because obviously there are builds that can pull out more damage. I'm on xbox so I can't accurately test things and I have to use what I can use, meaning other people's parses and analysis. Hence the fiction I'm coming up with. So yes if you do not mind, I'd like to see a comparison between the usual 5 VO + 5 TBS set up and the set-up you said was the new meta.