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Guild Improvements Master List

  • fryguy822005
    Honestly We need it all and I even say have a app the members can look at when their not in game. And it will let Leaders change things even communication
  • rootimus
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    Honestly We need it all and I even say have a app the members can look at when their not in game. And it will let Leaders change things even communication

    If I'm translating that word salad into English correctly, the easiest way for us to have apps is for Zenimax to hook us up with a proper API system and then let the players do the rest. That way the apps are more likely to work. :smiley:
    Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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  • Medieval_Miss81
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    I like all of these suggestions, Elf. I would also like to see the ability for more than one person to have guild leader rank and permissions. In my guild, for instance, we have co-guild leaders, but only one can actually access everything a guild leader should have the ability to do.
    Co-GM of Cor Leonis
  • TheMachineKiller
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    rootimus wrote: »
    Honestly We need it all and I even say have a app the members can look at when their not in game. And it will let Leaders change things even communication

    If I'm translating that word salad into English correctly, the easiest way for us to have apps is for Zenimax to hook us up with a proper API system and then let the players do the rest. That way the apps are more likely to work. :smiley:

    Well, your comment lives up to your forum signiture.
    Vehemence
    Solo Extraordinaire
      Miss Machine - AD Wolfskull - DC Ok Cool - DC Wheremigoin - DC
  • ElfFromSpace
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    ZOS...

    Please stop messing with the maintenance and trader bid times. I understand that you said you changed it to 4 am based on player feedback. With the servers not coming back up before the bids were due, this has made the situation *even worse* than before. All we are asking is that maintenance and trader bids be any time other than the same time.

    Also, I am very concerned about the bid situation. We are have an entire country of new players from Japan who are now leveling up and starting guilds, and yet the next update has no new trader spots to bid on. The current stressful situation with bids is likely to get worse and harder on the newer/smaller guilds. Furthermore the situation with bid spying is just as much a problem as a year ago. The fix of hiding the bid history has not stopped players from doing simple math. Has any consideration gone into the suggestions of not taking the gold out of the bank til the bids are complete or hiding guild's gold balance?
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • AzraelAcid
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    Okay... I see that you are trying ZOS.. I see it. However, this is much like teaching a toddler how to count. Repetition. Saying the same things over and over again hoping that the light bulb goes on.

    So 4 a.m bidding. This puts me in an even worse spot than I was in previously. Have you considered the Pacific Coast time zone at all? Well I'm in it, and that puts bidding at 1 a.m. my time. So much for getting any sleep for work.

    I recently came to be a GM. I was going to make my guild a trader guild, but with how things are turning out, I might as well sprout wings and fly over to the east coast. So, I'll be giving up my new guild.

    You say "quality of life" in your feedback and patch note threads. I give you the solution that we've all been screaming for:

    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE change the bid time to Sunday Evenings. For the sake of our sanity and QUALITY OF LIFE. This is getting to be ridiculous.
    You can not earn Respect by tolerating Disrespect.
    Death is the graduation of the soul
    .- Sylvia Browne

    Aleawyn - CP810 - Sorcorer - AD - North American Megasever
  • Anslay
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    ZOS...

    Please stop messing with the maintenance and trader bid times. I understand that you said you changed it to 4 am based on player feedback. With the servers not coming back up before the bids were due, this has made the situation *even worse* than before. All we are asking is that maintenance and trader bids be any time other than the same time.

    Also, I am very concerned about the bid situation. We are have an entire country of new players from Japan who are now leveling up and starting guilds, and yet the next update has no new trader spots to bid on. The current stressful situation with bids is likely to get worse and harder on the newer/smaller guilds. Furthermore the situation with bid spying is just as much a problem as a year ago. The fix of hiding the bid history has not stopped players from doing simple math. Has any consideration gone into the suggestions of not taking the gold out of the bank til the bids are complete or hiding guild's gold balance?

    This ^

    Moving the maintenance time to 4am and then the servers not coming back up at the normal time is even worse. Now we're to a point that Trading Guild leaders have to potentially fend off bid spying / sniping not once, but twice, and have to additionally consider the unknown of whether or not the servers will make it back up. Can we please just move the bid times to a different day yet?

    Also, I echo the request to PLEASE stop pitting guilds against each other where guild leaders look under rocks in paranoia because there exists a blind bidding system that isn't really blind! I believe every trading guild leader that has communicated with ZOS has asked for this at EVERY opportunity and conversation. It's created so many issues and bad blood in a game where there should be friendly competition, not some of the stuff I witnessed last night and sadly at many previous points. Hiding the bank balance would be the easiest implementation and would save us so much misery.

    If you would've told me that after so much time has passed, that we would still have to deal with this 'blind' bidding system that's not really blind, still only a few cities that are well setup for guild traders creating ridiculously cutthroat competition, still dealing with inconsiderate maintenance times that recently got far worse (now truly destroying our Sunday nights), I wouldn't have believed it. We have lives, jobs, families, and running a guild in a video game should not include the type of stress that has been forced on us.

    Please be mindful of the impact this is having and address these concerns.
    GM Ethereal Traders Union | Ethereal Traders Union II
  • KimberlyannKitsuragi
    I love the idea of guild housing and all the other tweaks you suggested :D very well thought out. I couldn't decide what I wanted to vote for since there wasn't an everything option :D
    Feel free to add me. I'm part of the Gummy Guars PC/Mac NA server. Master crafter and working on getting 9 traits on everything
  • sirinsidiator
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    I am playing on the EU server and having the trader change happen at an ungodly time like 4am is an insult. Not getting up at that time means potentially not having a trader thanks to the bidding system. Please consider moving it to a more reasonable time rather soon.
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  • ElfFromSpace
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    I like all of these suggestions, Elf. I would also like to see the ability for more than one person to have guild leader rank and permissions. In my guild, for instance, we have co-guild leaders, but only one can actually access everything a guild leader should have the ability to do.

    I believe the reason for not having 2 GMs is that could lead to murky situations if the 2 GMs later have a difference of opinion. Having one GM with the ability to give ALL permissions to a certain rank, like Admin, or Co-GM accomplishes the goal of spreading out the leadership while still maintaining a clear sense of who has final say. Right now the main things not able to be turned on in permissions are editing the tabard and editing the guild rank structure. The guild rank structure seems like it might get confusing if a player can edit their own rank, however this should be ok since a GM will not give this permission to anyone who is not being trusted to fully control the guild. This is really important for times that a guild needs to lock down invites, or guild bank access suddenly when there is a glitch or other situation and sometimes the GM might be on an extended absence. A GM should not have to give up their guild just to go on vacation for a week or two, but it's less than ideal to be unable to deal with ranks during that time.
    A permission to edit the tabard is something we've asked for for a long time.
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • ElfFromSpace
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    So here we are again. Working on 4 hours of sleep due to the time we had to get bids in, and now it's looking like a 12 hour wait to even know if we got our spots :( There are literally dozens of guild officers sitting by their computers keeping an eye on the launcher waiting so we don't miss the short window of time to hire if needed. They don't dare go too far from the computer because we just don't know if maintenance might wrap up early.
    I do hope the update goes well and I sympathize with the technical difficulties. We got a response one of the last times we asked about the situation that Maintenance must be done sometime.
    If Monday mornings are the best time for maintenance (honestly if it weren't for bids then I'd have no problems with this maintenance time.) then why not go back to asking that we move the bid times? We've been asking for 2 years now if bid times could be moved to Sunday night. It seems like this should require a small change in the code, hardly any effort, and if we are told ahead then nobody will begrudge the slightly short week. Can we please move the bid time for kiosks to sometime between 6 pm and midnight on Sundays?
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • TheMachineKiller
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    ^ Please make it easier on the trade GM's zos
    Vehemence
    Solo Extraordinaire
      Miss Machine - AD Wolfskull - DC Ok Cool - DC Wheremigoin - DC
  • Preyfar
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    The various GMs in game who have to wake up, monitor and watch the vendors like a hawk is really unfair -- especially to those GMs who have jobs. If the maintenance were set in stone, scheduled and always ended at the same time that would be one thing, but the system is putting a LOT of stress on the guildmasters of these guilds.
  • ElfFromSpace
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    Can't sleep. Maintenance clowns will eat me...
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • AzraelAcid
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    And here we are again stuck with a stupidly long maintenance. 7 hours and counting. While EU and other things get completed, we wait. I've been up since 1am Pacific time, and here I am at 8:02 am.

    Why does this server keep getting the shaft?

    Move bid times to Sunday night already, so we can get some sleep!!
    You can not earn Respect by tolerating Disrespect.
    Death is the graduation of the soul
    .- Sylvia Browne

    Aleawyn - CP810 - Sorcorer - AD - North American Megasever
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    Integrated Guild Mail and calendar would be nice, would reduce add-on load by 1 and make my MOTDs cleaner.

    Tiered bank permissions beyond "gold/not gold" would be great--I've love to be able to open up the consumables section for a rank, for instance, but not the gear section. Or armor+weapons but not jewelry.

    I'd like an "/announce" for guild chat that allows officers to use an alt text in guild chat. Could be useful.

    Trading-related stuff just kind of points to how the trading system needs a retune (not a AH or any nonsense like that, just a reevaluation of how the system fits together and a tweak to how many traders there are, what locations, etc--especially with 1Tamriel coming out).


    Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub
  • ElfFromSpace
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    Integrated Guild Mail and calendar would be nice, would reduce add-on load by 1 and make my MOTDs cleaner.

    Tiered bank permissions beyond "gold/not gold" would be great--I've love to be able to open up the consumables section for a rank, for instance, but not the gear section. Or armor+weapons but not jewelry.

    I'd like an "/announce" for guild chat that allows officers to use an alt text in guild chat. Could be useful.

    Trading-related stuff just kind of points to how the trading system needs a retune (not a AH or any nonsense like that, just a reevaluation of how the system fits together and a tweak to how many traders there are, what locations, etc--especially with 1Tamriel coming out).

    The guild bank tabs is something that we believe ZOS is at least working on. It would be a huge blessing. For instance, I have an entire storage guild used simply for storing my guild donations so that I can leave the main guild bank open as a reward once members reach a certain rank. I still have issues with members who put valuable donations in the guild bank or accidentally deposit their personal items there and usually but not always these are caught before random members grab and use them.
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • ElfFromSpace
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    AzraelAcid wrote: »
    And here we are again stuck with a stupidly long maintenance. 7 hours and counting. While EU and other things get completed, we wait. I've been up since 1am Pacific time, and here I am at 8:02 am.

    Why does this server keep getting the shaft?

    Move bid times to Sunday night already, so we can get some sleep!!

    Try to at least take a nap for 2 hours. I couldn't sleep half the night, but got 4 hours which is more than I often get Sundays with ZOS's new torture schedule. ESE made over 90 mil sales last week and I HAVE to sit here and watch my computer all day again to babysit the bid process and make sure we get a backup stall if needed again, so the members can keep selling their goods.
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • AzraelAcid
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    Any idea why it's taking so long this time? I can't believe the server isn't up yet.
    You can not earn Respect by tolerating Disrespect.
    Death is the graduation of the soul
    .- Sylvia Browne

    Aleawyn - CP810 - Sorcorer - AD - North American Megasever
  • ElfFromSpace
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    Interesting Podcast about the trading:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOqMY9gIKfc

    Definitely agree! OMG
    Edited by ElfFromSpace on August 8, 2016 6:53PM
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    Integrated Guild Mail and calendar would be nice, would reduce add-on load by 1 and make my MOTDs cleaner.

    Tiered bank permissions beyond "gold/not gold" would be great--I've love to be able to open up the consumables section for a rank, for instance, but not the gear section. Or armor+weapons but not jewelry.

    I'd like an "/announce" for guild chat that allows officers to use an alt text in guild chat. Could be useful.

    Trading-related stuff just kind of points to how the trading system needs a retune (not a AH or any nonsense like that, just a reevaluation of how the system fits together and a tweak to how many traders there are, what locations, etc--especially with 1Tamriel coming out).

    The guild bank tabs is something that we believe ZOS is at least working on. It would be a huge blessing. For instance, I have an entire storage guild used simply for storing my guild donations so that I can leave the main guild bank open as a reward once members reach a certain rank. I still have issues with members who put valuable donations in the guild bank or accidentally deposit their personal items there and usually but not always these are caught before random members grab and use them.

    Good to know! Thanks for the info.
    Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub
  • TheMachineKiller
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    Change bidding times. Change bidding structure (allow the top 5 bids on a city claim the stalls of their choice based on highest bid first, down to the lowest picking last).
    Vehemence
    Solo Extraordinaire
      Miss Machine - AD Wolfskull - DC Ok Cool - DC Wheremigoin - DC
  • Agalloch
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    ZOS must add more guild features .


    They can inspire from other games and adapt to ESO .

    I really enjoyed the guild system in Guild Wars 2 with guild upgrades , influence , guild missions, guild wars .

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Influence

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_upgrade

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_mission
  • Asata
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    My #1 vote would be adjustable tax rates. 3.5% isn't nearly enough, and there's no reason that 3.5% needs to just vanish into aetherius. There's already a listing fee, no need to take half of the house cut. The house cut needs to be adjustable by guild leaders, completely adjustable. Let them set it to 99% if they want to. Nobody will sell in their guild because that's f***ed, but give guilds the tools for it to at least be an option. A lot of trade guilds struggle with getting their members to sell enough or buy enough raffle tickets (e.g. donate gold). If guild leaders could adjust their tax rates this would be a non-issue.

    Alas, that was not an option. I voted for more kiosks for guilds to hire however as it would significantly reduce competition which would mean guilds wouldn't have to raise such insane sums every week out of fear of losing their traders. Double the amount of traders that are conveniently in cities, I say.

    My next choice would be moving the bid closing time. This is merely a symptom of a greater issue however, which is why I rate it below my previously mentioned two.
    Edited by Asata on August 16, 2016 9:50AM
  • ElfFromSpace
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    Asata wrote: »
    My #1 vote would be adjustable tax rates. 3.5% isn't nearly enough, and there's no reason that 3.5% needs to just vanish into aetherius. There's already a listing fee, no need to take half of the house cut. The house cut needs to be adjustable by guild leaders, completely adjustable. Let them set it to 99% if they want to. Nobody will sell in their guild because that's f***ed, but give guilds the tools for it to at least be an option. A lot of trade guilds struggle with getting their members to sell enough or buy enough raffle tickets (e.g. donate gold). If guild leaders could adjust their tax rates this would be a non-issue.

    Alas, that was not an option. I voted for more kiosks for guilds to hire however as it would significantly reduce competition which would mean guilds wouldn't have to raise such insane sums every week out of fear of losing their traders. Double the amount of traders that are conveniently in cities, I say.

    My next choice would be moving the bid closing time. This is merely a symptom of a greater issue however, which is why I rate it below my previously mentioned two.

    I would love to get enough gold in taxes to pay my bid. My guild made 99million in sales last week and having only 3.5 mil come in for taxes and then losing a bid on a stall at 6 million is kind of harsh. However I have been unsure about the long term impacts of adjustable tax rates. It would make chosing and running guilds involve more hard decisions. Do you up the taxes to make bids, and won't the other guilds just do the same? What about GMs who start with a low low tax and then suddenly change it. Would there be an announcement to the members about it changing or could the GM make it 99% on the sly over night every night and set it back to 2% in the morning? What about items already listed? You post a ring worth 500K in the store and the GM then announces they're doubling the taxes, would that new or old tax rate apply to that ring when it sells?
    End of the day, I think that no matter how much the taxes are, there will always be GMs supplementing the bids with raffles and auctions and personal gold so higher taxes would simply lead to even higher bids. The 3.5% that vanishes is also part of the intended mechanic in having the stores be a gold sink to remove gold from the economy. A higher tax and lower sink would help my guild since I have exceptional sales compared to many guilds that are mainly funded by the donations, but I believe that having a steady guaranteed gold sink on top of the fluctuating bids is probably important to remain balance in the economy.

    What did you think of my suggestion for City Bidding to make the bidding process more balanced and fair?
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • silvereyes
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    Bidding System Problems
    We appreciate that the developers listened to our previous pleas and made the pending bid amounts viewable to only those able to bid. But the system is still far from ideal.
    That's a bit of an understatement. Bid spying is still rampant because bank balance can be monitored. This needs to be locked down more. If bank balance were completely hidden, GMs could submit bids early.
    Bid Times
    Move bid closing time to Sunday evenings 8 pm or 10 pm est, and avoid having it right before maintenance.
    yup
    Potential New Bid Systems
    City bidding- Each guild bids on a city and the top 5 guilds are placed in that city.... Allow each guild to rank the traders 1-X with their top choice, second choice, etc. The top bidder gets their first pick. Second bidder gets their top choice of what is left. This would allow guilds to settle into a favorite spot most times, but a guild that made a good bit but got bumped from their preferred spot would end up elsewhere in the city rather than with no trader.
    I love this idea!
    Kiosk Location
    More Kiosks... There is a huge disparity between a well located city like Rawlkha and Mournhold, and a poorly located hub like Shornhelm and Evemore.
    This would have to be my top pick. Bid prices are astronomical in Rawl, Mournhold, Elden, and Wayrest right now. Demand has way outstripped supply for well-located kiosks. Shornhelm and Riften are top candidates to become go-to trading hubs if they could have 8-10 kiosks located near their wayshrines *in* the city. Elden Root could easily fit another 5 traders inside the tree. Davon's Watch, Skywatch, and Daggerfall all have plenty of room for a lot more traders around their wayshrines.
  • ElfFromSpace
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    Kiosk Location
    More Kiosks... There is a huge disparity between a well located city like Rawlkha and Mournhold, and a poorly located hub like Shornhelm and Evemore.
    This would have to be my top pick. Bid prices are astronomical in Rawl, Mournhold, Elden, and Wayrest right now. Demand has way outstripped supply for well-located kiosks. Shornhelm and Riften are top candidates to become go-to trading hubs if they could have 8-10 kiosks located near their wayshrines *in* the city. Elden Root could easily fit another 5 traders inside the tree. Davon's Watch, Skywatch, and Daggerfall all have plenty of room for a lot more traders around their wayshrines.[/quote]

    I'm not sure I want to see more kiosks in any of the mid-large hubs. ER already has 7 traders, compared to Rawl's 5. Another kiosk in Rawl might be a good idea.

    Rather than adding significantly more traders to the upside of the city, I think I'd rather see them add 1-2 more to every refuge. 2 stalls per refuge would add a lot more overflow spots and make the existing spots in refuges more appealing since players would be twice as likely to actually visit them.
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • ElfFromSpace
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    The only plausible explanation I've heard for ZOS's increasingly poor treatment of their trading community with these crazy maintenance scheduled during the one and ONLY time in the week that players have to be online at the exact right time to achieve a basic function in the game, is that they're deliberately driving up bids to drain gold from the economy. This would explain the silence, the unresponsiveness and the strange statement that the 4 am maintenance is based on player feedback when there are pages upon pages of players begging for it to change. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/75114/regular-maintenance-days-times-for-pc-mac#latest
    If the maintenance was changed based on player feedback, please change it again based on more feedback.ANY morning except a time that overlaps with bids

    If you want ways to drain gold from the economy.. give us gold sinks! We've been asking for some additional gold sinks for almost 2 years! Let us buy more store slots for gold. Give us some more mounts and costumes with gold. It was promised long ago that there would be some mounts available with gold. Perhaps roll out some ones that have been taken out of the crown store for very high gold prices like 100-300K.
    Edited by ElfFromSpace on August 23, 2016 4:03AM
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
  • silvereyes
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    I saw another neat idea over at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3277439/#Comment_3277439

    Enacting some sort of anti-trust mechanism server side to prevent purchases of commodities by those with over x% of that commodity (compared to the entire amount currently in the economy, or perhaps just compared to the entire amount owned by members of guilds with kiosks) in their bank, inventory, or guild bank they have withdrawal access to.

    By commodity, I'd define it as any item that has more than like 500-1000 instances in the current economy. That way, the rules wouldn't prevent someone from buying rare items for all their toons.

    There would also need to be some sort of regular automated audit of purchases/transfers for each player to check for those trying to game the system by shifting items around between accounts, guild banks, etc. It wouldn't be hard to spot, since anyone trying to corner a commodity market is going to be shifting around a lot more instances than is typical.
  • ElfFromSpace
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    silvereyes wrote: »

    It's a neat idea, but I feel that the current trader system actually makes the practice of market manipulation hard enough that it's probably not needed. Someone trying to really manipulate prices on a large scale has to go zone to zone to zone and visit each trader to buy an item up and unlike an auction house where they can check an hour later and simply buy up any new listings, they'd have to repeat the whole circuit at least multiple times a day to really control any market. That's one of the things I like best about the current system and which makes it so interesting/fun.
    Former GM Elder Scrolls Exchange
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