The Hype Train Reached Necropotence... Sigh.

Ch4mpTW · August 2016

So with the SotH launch, a lot of the old sets were scaled to CP160/VR16 finally. Meaning sets like: Silks of the Sun, Necropotence, etc. all finally got their well-deserves increase in level/rank. But, why is it that people are scrambling all over for Necropotence? Lol. I don't get it. I overheard a conversation with 2 of my buddies, and heard that he bought an arcane ring of Necropotence for 500k. And everyone in my group said that was a steal, as they're selling for 750k and higher.

Do people not realize that Necropotence is a set that is primarily built for pet builds, although it can be used for 4pcs. for max magicka? Lol. I'm hearing conversations all over of how Necropotence is the new meta for magicka builds, and how it replaces: Julianos, Scathing Mage, TBS, etc. And as a person who's mained pet builds for a long time — this disturbs me.

I was ridiculed for using pet builds for as long as I can remember, and when people saw videos and streams of me doing content like Vet Maelstrom with it — I was mocked heavily. I was laughed at, and told it was impossible. And how I was getting my clears through luck. When in fact, pet builds have always been quite strong and heavily underestimated. Every since Day 1. But now, Necropotence is all the rage? What? Why? ._.

FrostFallFox · August 2016

Probably because some big name streamer / community member used it

NoRagret · August 2016

not so hard to understand, theres many overpowered combinations like x5 necro, x5 elegance + overload

Stratforge · August 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So with the SotH launch, a lot of the old sets were scaled to CP160/VR16 finally. Meaning sets like: Silks of the Sun, Necropotence, etc. all finally got their well-deserves increase in level/rank. But, why is it that people are scrambling all over for Necropotence? Lol. I don't get it. I overheard a conversation with 2 of my buddies, and heard that he bought an arcane ring of Necropotence for 500k. And everyone in my group said that was a steal, as they're selling for 750k and higher.

Do people not realize that Necropotence is a set that is primarily built for pet builds, although it can be used for 4pcs. for max magicka? Lol. I'm hearing conversations all over of how Necropotence is the new meta for magicka builds, and how it replaces: Julianos, Scathing Mage, TBS, etc. And as a person who's mained pet builds for a long time — this disturbs me.

I was ridiculed for using pet builds for as long as I can remember, and when people saw videos and streams of me doing content like Vet Maelstrom with it — I was mocked heavily. I was laughed at, and told it was impossible. And how I was getting my clears through luck. When in fact, pet builds have always been quite strong and heavily underestimated. Every since Day 1. But now, Necropotence is all the rage? What? Why? ._.

First you question why people want the set noting that it's 'primarily' for pet builds. Then you say pet builds have always been strong. Now that the set is scaled up, people want it, and yet you're confused.

Really though, people have been excited about Necropotence getting scaled up ever since the news came out.

WuffyCerulei · August 2016

People do hate pet builds... And a lot of sorcs don't use Daedric Prey very much, but today I was using it while my Twilight Matriarch was out, and I was getting some major damage. Once I have a whole Necropotence set with Julianos or Kagrenac's, I'll be golden.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

NoRagret wrote: »

not so hard to understand, theres many overpowered combinations like x5 necro, x5 elegance + overload

This ^

5x necropotence + 5x alchemist is pretty nasty too. And NBs can use the set also, and arguably get more out of it as their pet is more useful to them. My opinion of course, I haven't actually tested the usefulness of sorc pets vs NB pets.

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

To summarize what Champ said:

He is saying everyone that hated on pet builds but now scramble for Necropotence are hypocrits.

Dracane · August 2016

It's because they believe, that this set finally makes pet builds viable.
But then they realize, that it only offers ~1500 more magicka than the V12 version and that is mainly due to the possibility to add max level enchants and infused and divine.

The 5 piece set bonus is actually even weaker in some situations.
Anyway, this set does not make any noticeable difference to what it was before. Pet builds aren't any better now.

But.... I saw the Update 12 monster sets. There is something for summoners.

Mojmir · August 2016

shades count as pets

Brrrofski · August 2016

Yeh, it's for shades. Magica NB can get to like 53k magica

Alcast · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

It's because they believe, that this set finally makes pet builds viable.
But then they realize, that it only offers ~1500 more magicka than the V12 version and that is mainly due to the possibility to add max level enchants and infused and divine.

The 5 piece set bonus is actually even weaker in some situations.
Anyway, this set does not make any noticeable difference to what it was before. Pet builds aren't any better now.

But.... I saw the Update 12 monster sets. There is something for summoners.

PVE Wise Petbuild are viable, one or even 2 ppl in my guild are running a pet build actually(Not that the pet makes a ton of difference tho). There is improvement possible ofc, ZOS is aware of some issues and they are working on it, no ETA tho.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2016

It's just because it's a jewelry set. Only way to get TWO 5x bonus item sets PLUS a Maelstroem weapon.

So Necropotence, Infaillible Aether, Elegance, etc.. all these are FOTM.

I didn't know NB shades counted as pets, so I learned something useful.

leepalmer95 · August 2016

You can get like 53k magicka on a mag nb.

With high spell damage as well.

Though swallow soul still hits like a noodle even with that set up.

hrothbern · August 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It's just because it's a jewelry set. Only way to get TWO 5x bonus item sets PLUS a Maelstroem weapon.

So Necropotence, Infaillible Aether, Elegance, etc.. all these are FOTM.

I didn't know NB shades counted as pets, so I learned something useful.

Assassin's Will can reach insane values: Molag Kena, Alchemist, Necropotence.

The 4k 5 piece bonus is already equivalent to approx 380 Spell Damage.
But compared to for example Julianos, Necropotence does not waste the 2 and 4 piece bonus on Spell Critical, which is not needed because you can use Shadowy Disguise to get your 100% crit chance.
That means 1934 more Magicka, good for an equivalent effect of 180 Spell Damage.
The total buff on Magicka stats is better than Major and Minor Sorcery together on SD. NB's get 8% from the passive Magicka Flood, 10% from the right Racial, and 20% from 177 CP's in the Mage.

leepalmer95 · August 2016

hrothbern wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It's just because it's a jewelry set. Only way to get TWO 5x bonus item sets PLUS a Maelstroem weapon.

So Necropotence, Infaillible Aether, Elegance, etc.. all these are FOTM.

I didn't know NB shades counted as pets, so I learned something useful.

Assassin's Will can reach insane values: Molag Kena, Alchemist, Necropotence.

The 4k 5 piece bonus is already equivalent to approx 380 Spell Damage.
But compared to for example Julianos, Necropotence does not waste the 2 and 4 piece bonus on Spell Critical, which is not needed because you can use Shadowy Disguise to get your 100% crit chance.
That means 1934 more Magicka, good for an equivalent effect of 180 Spell Damage.
The total buff on Magicka stats is better than Major and Minor Sorcery together on SD. NB's get 8% from the passive Magicka Flood, 10% from the right Racial, and 20% from 177 CP's in the Mage.

Plus with 53k~ magicka you get a nice dampen so your squishy character can survive when cloaks fails like it does 99% of the time.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · August 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It's just because it's a jewelry set. Only way to get TWO 5x bonus item sets PLUS a Maelstroem weapon.

So Necropotence, Infaillible Aether, Elegance, etc.. all these are FOTM.

I didn't know NB shades counted as pets, so I learned something useful.

also...if you have Engine Guardian set that "pop-up" Dwemer Sphere also counts as a pet
and even Maw of Infernal "pop-up" Daedroth counts as a pet

so you might even see these sets being used more because of it

BruhItsOver9000 · August 2016

Does this set drop in dungeons? I wanna make money!

leepalmer95 · August 2016

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Does this set drop in dungeons? I wanna make money!

drops in aa

Bdawwg · August 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Does this set drop in dungeons? I wanna make money!

drops in aa

Normal and veteran or just one?

Mojmir · August 2016

Bdawwg wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Does this set drop in dungeons? I wanna make money!

drops in aa

Normal and veteran or just one?

both

DRXHarbinger · August 2016

More normal than vet. Vet drops eternal Yokeda trash.

Destyran · August 2016

Because every one is nb and you just need to summon shade

BigBragg · August 2016

Shady business....

Waseem · August 2016

ok so lets say i have 53k magicka on my NB for 6 seconds.. will i one shot people?
then why the hassle

Transairion · August 2016

It is pretty sad as an actual pet Sorc I can't afford any Necropotence jewelry, since I don't have 300k+ to drop on purples (and over a million gold to drop on gold jewelry). I can only assume that most people are using/abusing Necro for up to the 4-peice magicka, with some Nightblade Shade users going for the 5-peice. DK's and Templars have no pets to use outside unreliable RNG armor sets so I can't see them bothering.

Wish it was cheaper...

Dracane wrote: »

It's because they believe, that this set finally makes pet builds viable.
But then they realize, that it only offers ~1500 more magicka than the V12 version and that is mainly due to the possibility to add max level enchants and infused and divine.

The 5 piece set bonus is actually even weaker in some situations.
Anyway, this set does not make any noticeable difference to what it was before. Pet builds aren't any better now.

But.... I saw the Update 12 monster sets. There is something for summoners.

My real question about this would be is it just more summon-based monster helms, since then it'd just a thematic choice since Maw of Infernal already exists... and I can imagine them diluting the 17 new helms with half of them being "Summon X for Y seconds" helms.

Which is fine, I guess. Something like "Your pets do 200% more damage" or "Your pets apply Major/Minor debuff of some kind" would be a lot more welcome though.

I hope future updates include more summon-based non-monster sets though: a 4 piece or lower especially! I've got up to 4 slots "spare" let me at them with more summons!

psychotic13 · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

It's because they believe, that this set finally makes pet builds viable.
But then they realize, that it only offers ~1500 more magicka than the V12 version and that is mainly due to the possibility to add max level enchants and infused and divine.

The 5 piece set bonus is actually even weaker in some situations.
Anyway, this set does not make any noticeable difference to what it was before. Pet builds aren't any better now.

But.... I saw the Update 12 monster sets. There is something for summoners.

Can you link me to where you can see the new monster sets?

Asata · August 2016

Still seems like garbage to me. Necromancer set is much better. It could use some love though. Like replacing stam recovery with max magicka and removing the cooldown.

Asmael · August 2016

I'm gonna blame @Blobsky for his one shot wonder magblade.

Ya breaking the market! Daaaamn!

Ashamray · August 2016

Asmael wrote: »

I'm gonna blame @Blobsky for his one shot wonder magblade.

Ya breaking the market! Daaaamn!

One shot mageblade existed earlier too, when Proxi was viable in solotarget.

leepalmer95 · August 2016

Ashamray wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I'm gonna blame @Blobsky for his one shot wonder magblade.

Ya breaking the market! Daaaamn!

One shot mageblade existed earlier too, when Proxi was viable in solotarget.

The necro build isn't really a 'one shot' type of build.

It's more for a very big dampen and high burst potential and high damage.

ParaNostram · August 2016

I know them pet build woes yo. People act like it just has no viability, when personally on my main I have never done more damage nor wrecked more face in PvP with anything other than a pet build.