I'm a PVE Care Bear and I Hate Dueling in PVE Zones

newtinmpls · August 2016

Typhoios wrote: »

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think duelers want to duel with lag. They are likely to find more out of the way places to duel. At least I know I will. I'm not going to duel by the Stormhaven wayshrine or in a bank for instance.

I would bet lots of ... something... that there will be lag-worthy dueling in Rawl'kla as soon as it can happen.

JKorr · August 2016

BurritoESO wrote: »

PvPers have to deal with pve in cyrodil and imperial city... Shhhhhhh

Yeah, they do. And boy those pve'rs sure do ruin things by running over and attacking the pvp players who were minding their own business and doing pvp stuff.

Oh, wait.....

I went to an IC crafting station to make a set of gear for someone. I made it to the IC, made it to the crafting station only fighting npc enemies. Made the gear and left. On my way back, with my weapon sheathed, I got attacked by a super high cp player. I didn't pull my weapon. I didn't stop to attack. I didn't want to pvp. I ran. And the totally awesome super pvper ran behind me, shooting me in the back until they finally killed me.

I never attacked any player. I never drew my weapon. I never turned to attack or even try to do so.

Pray tell, how was I interfering with the pvp player? Besides not dying in one shot. If he had ignored me, I'd have continued on my way back to the base and out. One type of player "has to deal", but I don't think its the pvpers. I knew going there was more than likely going to get me killed. If it wasn't for the gear the guildie wanted, I'd have not set foot in Cyrodiil for anything.

olsborg · August 2016

Dueling is only fun on azuras anyway

waterfairy · August 2016

So they're adding One Tamriel and PvP in PvE? Yeah that will work smoothly.

Shadesofkin · August 2016

Tandor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I like it, for the gameplay it brings and even the theme it provides. Haven't you ever seen a Musketeer movie or read the books? Think of it like that if you feel like its breaking your immersion.

Nice idea, but I'll stick with how I remember it in WoW thanks - a slightly closer analogy!

I have no ingame problem with dueling as long as it is restricted to arenas or other special areas, and there's an effective auto-decline option. Forum-wise it's another matter as I'd hate to see this forum dominated by a mass of individual threads all calling for balancing changes as a result of losing duels.

The final point that you mention is one of my biggest fears concerning the entire ordeal.

rotaugen454 · August 2016

I'm mostly a PvE player, but I look forward to this. I'll just opt out during times I'm not interested. Sounds good overall to me.

smacx250 · August 2016

They should just make it like killing an NPC - if you do it where those immortal guards see you...

Yolokin_Swagonborn · August 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Don't quest in Cyro or IC or that makes you a hyppcrite

Rekt this entire thread. Entitlement Exposed.

I'm sorry that some PvE'ers cry and whine every time PvP gets a cookie. PvP has had no good true PvP content since launch while PvE'ers have gotten DLC after DLC while PvP had 10FPS for months after craglorn dropped. There are what, FIVE PvE Arenas in the game now?

I'm sorry that the concept of people fighting eachother bothers you. Good thing you don't have to participate. If even being around someone dueling is giving your emotional distress then you need to dial down your sensitivity levels.

Thevampirenight · August 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

They should just make it like killing an NPC - if you do it where those immortal guards see you...

That is not a bad idea, they could make it if an npc sees you both get a bounty for disturbing the peace. Then they will either attack you or come to claim the bounty. Forcing players to do it out in the wilderness. They could also add the guards to banks, to prevent the dueling from taking place there. Which would ease worries of some players.

rotaugen454 · August 2016

I suspect trolling to start a PvP vs PvE flame war...

EZgoin76 · August 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I suspect trolling to start a PvP vs PvE flame war...

Seems it worked too.

Carcante · August 2016

Tandor wrote: »

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

And the moment I see a player killed by another player in a PVE zone I will run away crying.

Good luck getting out of the bank before the duel-induced lag hits you !

Runescape reference?

Jaronking · August 2016

JKorr wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

PvPers have to deal with pve in cyrodil and imperial city... Shhhhhhh

Yeah, they do. And boy those pve'rs sure do ruin things by running over and attacking the pvp players who were minding their own business and doing pvp stuff.

Oh, wait.....

I went to an IC crafting station to make a set of gear for someone. I made it to the IC, made it to the crafting station only fighting npc enemies. Made the gear and left. On my way back, with my weapon sheathed, I got attacked by a super high cp player. I didn't pull my weapon. I didn't stop to attack. I didn't want to pvp. I ran. And the totally awesome super pvper ran behind me, shooting me in the back until they finally killed me.

I never attacked any player. I never drew my weapon. I never turned to attack or even try to do so.

Pray tell, how was I interfering with the pvp player? Besides not dying in one shot. If he had ignored me, I'd have continued on my way back to the base and out. One type of player "has to deal", but I don't think its the pvpers. I knew going there was more than likely going to get me killed. If it wasn't for the gear the guildie wanted, I'd have not set foot in Cyrodiil for anything.

Well I know I been burned to many times by letting players go.So I dont do it anymore.I let you go and next time I see you your with 15 other players and t bagging me.I don't care if you hold up block that doesn't mean anything your in a PVP zone.Like I said before they need to remove every quest beside from bounty quest in PVP.We won't have to hear these stories anymore.

smacx250 · August 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I suspect trolling to start a PvP vs PvE flame war...

Not by me, as I like both. In PvP land, PvP'ers can kill the PvE'rs, so in PvE land the PvP'ers should be able to get nabbed by the guards. Don't like it, stay out of sight for your fight! So yes, no dueling in the middle of Rawl if you don't want to face the consequences!

WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

In PvP land, PvP'ers can kill the PvE'rs, so in PvE land the PvP'ers should be able to get nabbed by the guards. Don't like it, stay out of sight for your fight! So yes, no dueling in the middle of Rawl if you don't want to face the consequences!

Anyone uses an AoE heal during a duel and tags someone nearby with a bounty...I suspect this is going to happen out in the wilderness regardless of anything ZOS does.

Although I'm not looking forward to the resultant bugs. I expect I'm going to be AoEing people on accident while trying to hit mobs, or something else horribly inconvenient.

Please ZOS, prove me wrong!

Reif · August 2016

It's so satisfying to see how these pve-only players who tore away from us justice system pvp are now crying and complaining. Just stop already, if you can't enjoy every aspect of the game maybe you should try out something that will not hurt your vulnerable carebear immersion.

[edited for profanity]

Kelces · August 2016

Maybe I'm missing something here, but who says, that dueling will be a fight to the death outside of Cyrodiil anyway?

It could also be some simple sparring session instead, initiated through the character interaction and ending when one character has 1 HP. And then maybe you could chose one, or the other.

Further it shouldn't be that hard to implement a mechanism, which prevents some healer to affect any of the participants during the fight, similar to the restrictions to abilities like "charging maneuver" outside of a group.

RoamingRiverElk · August 2016

We are a step closer to the Flower Wars, my lifelong dream of being able to challenge a plant stealer in Coldharbour to a duel.

NoMoreChillies · August 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

PvPers have to deal with pve in cyrodil and imperial city... Shhhhhhh

Yeah, they do. And boy those pve'rs sure do ruin things by running over and attacking the pvp players who were minding their own business and doing pvp stuff.

Oh, wait.....

I went to an IC crafting station to make a set of gear for someone. I made it to the IC, made it to the crafting station only fighting npc enemies. Made the gear and left. On my way back, with my weapon sheathed, I got attacked by a super high cp player. I didn't pull my weapon. I didn't stop to attack. I didn't want to pvp. I ran. And the totally awesome super pvper ran behind me, shooting me in the back until they finally killed me.

I never attacked any player. I never drew my weapon. I never turned to attack or even try to do so.

Pray tell, how was I interfering with the pvp player? Besides not dying in one shot. If he had ignored me, I'd have continued on my way back to the base and out. One type of player "has to deal", but I don't think its the pvpers. I knew going there was more than likely going to get me killed. If it wasn't for the gear the guildie wanted, I'd have not set foot in Cyrodiil for anything.

Well I know I been burned to many times by letting players go.So I dont do it anymore.I let you go and next time I see you your with 15 other players and t bagging me.I don't care if you hold up block that doesn't mean anything your in a PVP zone.Like I said before they need to remove every quest beside from bounty quest in PVP.We won't have to hear these stories anymore.

looks like someone failed to read

Jaronking · August 2016

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

PvPers have to deal with pve in cyrodil and imperial city... Shhhhhhh

Yeah, they do. And boy those pve'rs sure do ruin things by running over and attacking the pvp players who were minding their own business and doing pvp stuff.

Oh, wait.....

I went to an IC crafting station to make a set of gear for someone. I made it to the IC, made it to the crafting station only fighting npc enemies. Made the gear and left. On my way back, with my weapon sheathed, I got attacked by a super high cp player. I didn't pull my weapon. I didn't stop to attack. I didn't want to pvp. I ran. And the totally awesome super pvper ran behind me, shooting me in the back until they finally killed me.

I never attacked any player. I never drew my weapon. I never turned to attack or even try to do so.

Pray tell, how was I interfering with the pvp player? Besides not dying in one shot. If he had ignored me, I'd have continued on my way back to the base and out. One type of player "has to deal", but I don't think its the pvpers. I knew going there was more than likely going to get me killed. If it wasn't for the gear the guildie wanted, I'd have not set foot in Cyrodiil for anything.

Well I know I been burned to many times by letting players go.So I dont do it anymore.I let you go and next time I see you your with 15 other players and t bagging me.I don't care if you hold up block that doesn't mean anything your in a PVP zone.Like I said before they need to remove every quest beside from bounty quest in PVP.We won't have to hear these stories anymore.

looks like someone failed to read

Am just saying I know why some PVPers don't leave people alone no matter who they are or what they do.How some players feel who PVP.

Lore_lai · August 2016

JKorr wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

PvPers have to deal with pve in cyrodil and imperial city... Shhhhhhh

Yeah, they do. And boy those pve'rs sure do ruin things by running over and attacking the pvp players who were minding their own business and doing pvp stuff.

Oh, wait.....

I went to an IC crafting station to make a set of gear for someone. I made it to the IC, made it to the crafting station only fighting npc enemies. Made the gear and left. On my way back, with my weapon sheathed, I got attacked by a super high cp player. I didn't pull my weapon. I didn't stop to attack. I didn't want to pvp. I ran. And the totally awesome super pvper ran behind me, shooting me in the back until they finally killed me.

I never attacked any player. I never drew my weapon. I never turned to attack or even try to do so.

Pray tell, how was I interfering with the pvp player? Besides not dying in one shot. If he had ignored me, I'd have continued on my way back to the base and out. One type of player "has to deal", but I don't think its the pvpers. I knew going there was more than likely going to get me killed. If it wasn't for the gear the guildie wanted, I'd have not set foot in Cyrodiil for anything.

Actually - a lot of us leave PvErs be if we see them questing etc. Especially if they are lowbies/low CP and show no interest in PvP.
However - you cannot blame that person for wanting a PvP engagement while in PvP zone. You went there knowingly.

Jaronking wrote: »

Well I know I been burned to many times by letting players go.So I dont do it anymore.I let you go and next time I see you your with 15 other players and t bagging me.

^^ Also this. :'(

Osteos · August 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I suspect trolling to start a PvP vs PvE flame war...

Not by me, as I like both. In PvP land, PvP'ers can kill the PvE'rs, so in PvE land the PvP'ers should be able to get nabbed by the guards. Don't like it, stay out of sight for your fight! So yes, no dueling in the middle of Rawl if you don't want to face the consequences!

Ok but only if the pvp portion of the justice system is also implemented. Stay out of sight while committing a crime if you don't want to face the consequences!

Tonnopesce · August 2016

KILL em' all i want a Carebear ragout with a handmade pve'rs pasta!!!!

Egonieser · August 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I like it, for the gameplay it brings and even the theme it provides. Haven't you ever seen a Musketeer movie or read the books? Think of it like that if you feel like its breaking your immersion.

Nice idea, but I'll stick with how I remember it in WoW thanks - a slightly closer analogy!

I have no ingame problem with dueling as long as it is restricted to arenas or other special areas, and there's an effective auto-decline option. Forum-wise it's another matter as I'd hate to see this forum dominated by a mass of individual threads all calling for balancing changes as a result of losing duels.

The final point that you mention is one of my biggest fears concerning the entire ordeal.

Good, maybe if PvP is introduced to the masses - some balancing and fixes will finally happen.

Ackwalan · August 2016

Just as long as the 'do you want to duel' window doesn't break what you are doing, I see no problems. But, I can see how if you are lock picking a chest, and the 'do you want to duel' window pops up and pulls you out of the lock pick, allowing someone else to ninja your chest, that would cause problems.

Integral1900 · August 2016

yay

because mixed pvp and pve worked so well in imperial city...... its going to be a total exploit fest/disaster

Those devs will use the same accept function as joining a group, so what is to stop a new player who came just to pve, who does not know about auto decline, from accidentally ending up being slaughtered by some nasty little high level toad! If they are going ahead with the cluster cockup at least make the dam thing toggled to decline as standard that way the psyco crew can slaughter each other in back alleys and leave this particularly grumpy care bear in peace.

Oh yes, said the devs, pvp will only be in pvp zones, marvellous, just marvellous :'(

Mojmir · August 2016

This should help everyone's "immersion". Lol

Tandor · August 2016

Carcante wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

oxxalejandroxxo wrote: »

And the moment I see a player killed by another player in a PVE zone I will run away crying.

Good luck getting out of the bank before the duel-induced lag hits you !

Runescape reference?

Sorry to disappoint you but I have no idea what you're talking about. It reminds me of John Cleese being asked by a fan to confirm that the Dead Parrot sketch was really about the Vietnam War. So no, nothing to do with Runescape, just a comment about ESO born out of playing ESO

!

K4RMA · August 2016

sounds like a l2pvp issue to me

Torbschka · August 2016

I hate those pve criers. Srsly, I like pve and i'm happy they increase the difficulty of the vet dungeons (as far as I understood, vet means now "very hard" for all the new stuff), but how can u pve guys immediately start crying if we pvp guys get something?

I mean, lets be honest, they focused mainly about pve and all we get (still missing arenas / battlegrounds) is dueling and u immediately start crying? PvE is the "good" part about that game, because cyro just sucks with lags and fps drops, so plz.. we all play the same game and if u want it for story / lore, man, in reality people would duel and fight where they are if they want to, it totally fits the whole world...

So plz, stay together as a community and stop whining all the time, u PvE#rs dont get hurt by anything with that function. It seems to me u just bother more about "oh my god, the did somehting for pvp'ers, plz keep focusing on pve" thing...