4 out of 7 veteran pledges are DLC exclusive?

xilfxlegion · August 2016

L2Pissue wrote: »

I was ok with 2 DLC exclusive dungeons, IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs so it makes sense to include it in the daily pledges
Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC and has the least sales.. and you include it in the daily pledges,, as gold pledge? its a failed dungeon DLC played by the absolute least number of players, throw its dungeons as silver pledges

it has been out for a couple of days. how in the world is it failed ?

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

[snip]IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs[snip]

[snip]Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC [snip]

Cite your sources.

go play the game daily like i do
when its IC DLC pledges, most players do them
when its SotH DLC pledges, most players are doing random veteran/normal
dont forget to water your flowers

So your "source" is a first-person, biased anecdote? Seems legit. Wait...no it doesn't.

I play, and pledge, every day. I agree that introducing so many daily pledges that are behind a paywall is a lousy thing to do, but presenting your imagination as fact is not a good way to make your case.

deny my claim that Imperial City DLC is the most sold and shadow of the hist is least sold then

this has to be trolling.

one came out a year ago and one came out on tuesday.

L2Pissue · August 2016

i am complaining why in every single week we have 4 DLC exclusive pledges.

cjthibs · August 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

[snip]IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs[snip]

[snip]Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC [snip]

Cite your sources.

go play the game daily like i do
when its IC DLC pledges, most players do them
when its SotH DLC pledges, most players are doing random veteran/normal
dont forget to water your flowers

You have some sort of monitoring tool that allows you to see what content is being played by ALL players?

Please, do share.

its called common sense

The only reason this game is still going along and releasing stuff is because people buy dlc's.

I have no problem with people not buying dlc's, but stop complaining about them? You don't buy them and then complain that you can't access them? What is with that logic.

I can't believe this is actually a thread.

All this boils down to is this:
"I didn't buy the DLC (for whatever reason), and since I can't enjoy it, you shouldn't be able to either."

DeadlyRecluse · August 2016

At some point they should disconnect the IC dungeons from the DLC (and drop the price of the DLC significantly). Maybe on the IC anniversary or something. Otherwise the will *eventually* get into the situation OP is alleging, where a very high portion of the pledges are DLC.

Transairion · August 2016

I didn't buy the DLC (for whatever reason), and since I can't enjoy it, you shouldn't be able to either

Well what they're arguing is that since Shadow of the Hist launched on PC every week has had every DLC dungeon within the Gold Pledge rotation, leaving only 3 gold keys per week for non DLC holders.

If true, very unfair and they have a point. But I don't think it's true and it should be incredibly easy to disprove, no?

s7732425ub17_ESO · August 2016

If I were an animal, I would lick you all day!

(because OP is just so salty)

cjthibs · August 2016

Transairion wrote: »

I didn't buy the DLC (for whatever reason), and since I can't enjoy it, you shouldn't be able to either

Well what they're arguing is that since Shadow of the Hist launched on PC every week has had every DLC dungeon within the Gold Pledge rotation, leaving only 3 gold keys per week for non DLC holders.

If true, very unfair and they have a point. But I don't think it's true and it should be incredibly easy to disprove, no?

Why is it unfair to reward the folks that actually PAID for it?
Or should we penalize the people who paid for it by excluding the new content that they PAID for?

You don't get better treatment for free.
Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the game-making business...

Funkopotamus · August 2016

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

[snip]IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs[snip]

[snip]Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC [snip]

Cite your sources.

go play the game daily like i do
when its IC DLC pledges, most players do them
when its SotH DLC pledges, most players are doing random veteran/normal
dont forget to water your flowers

So your "source" is a first-person, biased anecdote? Seems legit. Wait...no it doesn't.

I play, and pledge, every day. I agree that introducing so many daily pledges that are behind a paywall is a lousy thing to do, but presenting your imagination as fact is not a good way to make your case.

deny my claim that Imperial City DLC is the most sold and shadow of the hist is least sold then

Well of course IC sold more copies...

Most of ESO's end game is PVP so of course IC sales would be the largest......

Using IC numbers against Soth is not very fair...

Also why does it bother you so much? Just do something else or you know ACTUALY SUPPORT THE GAME and buy something for the love of Jode.

Talyena · August 2016

I disagreed with those who complained that crafting bags to subscribers somehow took something away from their game. I disagreed with those who complained that costume dying for subscribers somehow took something away from their game. But in this case, DLC dungeons in the rotation DOES take something away from the base, non subscriber/purchaser game. My proposed fix is a third undaunted mission giver who ONLY gives out DLC dungeon pledges. That would give back dailies to those who don't subscribe or purchase certain DLCs and at the same time give bonus content in the form of an extra daily for those who do subscribe or purchase those DLCs. It's an easy fix that is a win for everyone.

Komma · August 2016

When they went BTP they said it wouldnt take away from the regular game. The regular game allows you to do one gold and one silver a day. By adding the dlc's to the cycle it isnt that way any more. They should have a gold key pledge for regular dungeons and as a bonus for buying the dlc or being a sub we should get a second pledge for the dlc content. Just my opinion though.

Komma · August 2016

Talyena wrote: »

I disagreed with those who complained that crafting bags to subscribers somehow took something away from their game. I disagreed with those who complained that costume dying for subscribers somehow took something away from their game. But in this case, DLC dungeons in the rotation DOES take something away from the base, non subscriber/purchaser game. My proposed fix is a third undaunted mission giver who ONLY gives out DLC dungeon pledges. That would give back dailies to those who don't subscribe or purchase certain DLCs and at the same time give bonus content in the form of an extra daily for those who do subscribe or purchase those DLCs. It's an easy fix that is a win for everyone.

O.O

Transairion · August 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

Why is it unfair to reward the folks that actually PAID for it?
Or should we penalize the people who paid for it by excluding the new content that they PAID for?

You don't get better treatment for free.
Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the game-making business...

We all paid to play ESO, period. Undaunted Pledges were added to the base game, not as part of some DLC. Nobodies asking for DLC to not have pledges (Pledges, mind you, which already reward either a Silver/Gold/Goldx2 so are much better than the base game's Pledges), but yeah if we do reach a point where the majority of Pledges per week are DLC then what's the point? Blocking your base game players from completing what was added as base-game content is a bit of a silly move.

There's a lot of kneejerk reactions here and not a lot of facts from anyone.

L2Pissue · August 2016

Talyena wrote: »

I disagreed with those who complained that crafting bags to subscribers somehow took something away from their game. I disagreed with those who complained that costume dying for subscribers somehow took something away from their game. But in this case, DLC dungeons in the rotation DOES take something away from the base, non subscriber/purchaser game. My proposed fix is a third undaunted mission giver who ONLY gives out DLC dungeon pledges. That would give back dailies to those who don't subscribe or purchase certain DLCs and at the same time give bonus content in the form of an extra daily for those who do subscribe or purchase those DLCs. It's an easy fix that is a win for everyone.

best reply in this thread
i agree on this suggestion. that there is no alternative for non-DLC owners in base game content sucks. enough with MA and MOL already

Callous2208 · August 2016

I look at this post in a different light. Game must be doing pretty good if this is the type of nonsense people have to complain about. Talk about a stretch. Seems more like a @L2Pissue to me.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2016

The expectation and alignment is set to result in crown purchases and or a sub
I'm O K with this but the other stuff is where I'm bothered (regarding real money)

Divinius · August 2016

L2Pissue wrote: »

i am complaining why in every single week we have 4 DLC exclusive pledges.

You keep saying this. It's incorrect. You do understand that the pledges are NOT on a weekly cycle right? They are on a 12-day cycle.

Every 12 days you will get the 8 Non-DLC vet pledges, and the 4 DLC vet pledges.

I don't know what you are basing your "4 DLC pledges per week" claim on, but it's wrong.

Komma · August 2016

Would like to also add that the people playing for free help the game by adding more players to do pledges with. Dont bash the extra content of the ftp crowd.

Transairion · August 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

I look at this post in a different light. Game must be doing pretty good if this is the type of nonsense people have to complain about. Talk about a stretch. Seems more like a @L2Pissue to me.

Yet more baffling than anything, nobody has bothered to disprove the OP because they haven't understood what they're saying.

They're saying since Hist DLC landed on PC, 4/7 Veteran Pledges (7 per week, 1 per day) are DLC Pledges. Nobody has yet to disprove that isn't the case, even though I think that's wrong and the pledges have a set 12 Pledge order that was shuffled when the new ones are added.

You keep saying this. It's incorrect. You do understand that the pledges are NOT on a weekly cycle right? They are on a 12-day cycle.

Every 12 days you will get the 8 Non-DLC vet pledges, and the 4 DLC vet pledges.

I don't know what you are basing your "4 DLC pledges per week" claim on, but it's wrong.

This is an actually constructive post: do we have the new 12 day cycle for Undaunted Pledges yet somewhere? I know in the old cycle it was Spindle -> Imp City DLC dungeons. That's really all the proof we need to know OP is wrong.

Even I don't think ZOS would push DLC so hard by having 4/7 Pledges per week being DLC pledges: you don't make $ by alienating half or more of your playerbase.

cjthibs · August 2016

Komma wrote: »

Would like to also add that the people playing for free help the game by adding more players to do pledges with. Dont bash the extra content of the ftp crowd.

What is this nonsense?
Struggling to feel as though you contribute?

People playing for free do not help the game. They help other players.
If you want to help the game, you support it.

Transairion · August 2016

What is this nonsense? Struggling to feel as though you contribute?

People playing for free do not help the game. They help other players.
If you want to help the game, you support it.

There is no such thing as a free to play ESO, same as there's no such thing as playing The Witcher 3 for free.

Unless you, you know, stole it.

Callous2208 · August 2016

Transairion wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I look at this post in a different light. Game must be doing pretty good if this is the type of nonsense people have to complain about. Talk about a stretch. Seems more like a @L2Pissue to me.

Yet more baffling than anything, nobody has bothered to disprove the OP because they haven't understood what they're saying.

They're saying since Hist DLC landed on PC, 4/7 Veteran Pledges (7 per week, 1 per day) are DLC Pledges. Nobody has yet to disprove that isn't the case, even though I think that's wrong and the pledges have a set 12 Pledge order that was shuffled when the new ones are added.

Yea but at least in my case, I feel no need to disprove him, because it's a non issue. They could rotate through only dlc pledges for a month to get people used to them for all I care. Harsh, I know, but I'm not overly concerned about a tiny minority of people who enjoy end game group content but refuse to buy dlc's.

Divinius · August 2016

Transairion wrote: »

You keep saying this. It's incorrect. You do understand that the pledges are NOT on a weekly cycle right? They are on a 12-day cycle.

Every 12 days you will get the 8 Non-DLC vet pledges, and the 4 DLC vet pledges.

I don't know what you are basing your "4 DLC pledges per week" claim on, but it's wrong.

This is an actually constructive post: do we have the new 12 day cycle for Undaunted Pledges yet somewhere? I know in the old cycle it was Spindle -> Imp City DLC dungeons. That's really all the proof we need to know OP is wrong.

I haven't personally been online every single day to confirm, but the UESP wiki (which is generally super-accurate, as the maintainers tend to be very meticulous) lists the order for the Vet Pledges as such:

Veteran Crypt of Hearts Pledge Veteran Banished Cells Pledge Ruins of Mazzatun Pledge Cradle of Shadows Pledge Veteran City of Ash Pledge Veteran Elden Hollow Pledge Veteran Spindleclutch Pledge Imperial City Prison Pledge White-Gold Tower Pledge Veteran Darkshade Pledge Veteran Wayrest Sewers Pledge Veteran Fungal Grotto Pledge

Komma · August 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

Komma wrote: »

Would like to also add that the people playing for free help the game by adding more players to do pledges with. Dont bash the extra content of the ftp crowd.

What is this nonsense?
Struggling to feel as though you contribute?

People playing for free do not help the game. They help other players.
If you want to help the game, you support it.

LTR. That is what I said. The ftp folks help the dlc buying and sub crowd which helps the game. Bash someone else please thanks.

code65536 · August 2016

Transairion wrote: »

They're saying since Hist DLC landed on PC, 4/7 Veteran Pledges (7 per week, 1 per day) are DLC Pledges.

And they are incorrect. It's a 12-day cycle, in the following order:

Ruins of Mazzatun
Cradle of Shadows
City of Ash
Elden Hollow
Spindleclutch
Imperial City Prison
White-Gold Tower
Darkshade Caverns
Wayrest Sewers
Fungal Grotto
Crypt of Hearts
Banished Cells

The order is not random. Now, it is possible to have a 7-day period where 4 of the pledges are DLC pledges; this happened during the first week, as RoM was the Monday pledge and WGT was the Sunday pledge. But then that means the next two 7-day periods would have just 2 DLC pledges each--this past week only had RoM and CoS on Saturday and Sunday, and this week, ICP and WGT on Thursday and Friday will be the only two DLC pledges.

Personofsecrets · August 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

I was ok with 2 DLC exclusive dungeons, IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs so it makes sense to include it in the daily pledges
Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC and has the least sales.. and you include it in the daily pledges,, as gold pledge? its a failed dungeon DLC played by the absolute least number of players, throw its dungeons as silver pledges

You are genuinely mad/upset that you can't do a gold pledge for a couple of days? I'd recommend taking a step outside, or if that's not possible, find something else to do in the game. Or buy the DLC.

Can you believe they are mad about p2w! how funny

Callous2208 · August 2016

Personofsecrets wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

I was ok with 2 DLC exclusive dungeons, IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs so it makes sense to include it in the daily pledges
Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC and has the least sales.. and you include it in the daily pledges,, as gold pledge? its a failed dungeon DLC played by the absolute least number of players, throw its dungeons as silver pledges

You are genuinely mad/upset that you can't do a gold pledge for a couple of days? I'd recommend taking a step outside, or if that's not possible, find something else to do in the game. Or buy the DLC.

Can you believe they are mad about p2w! how funny

I hope you're joking here, equating dlc content with p2w in a b2p game. You've got to be. No one is this ignorant.

cjthibs · August 2016

Transairion wrote: »

What is this nonsense? Struggling to feel as though you contribute?

People playing for free do not help the game. They help other players.
If you want to help the game, you support it.

There is no such thing as a free to play ESO, same as there's no such thing as playing The Witcher 3 for free.

Unless you, you know, stole it.

MMO's don't survive on a one-time fee. This is just reality.
You paid an entry fee. That doesn't count as supporting the game long-term.

leepalmer95 · August 2016

Personofsecrets wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

I was ok with 2 DLC exclusive dungeons, IC DLC was the most sold DLC since the start of releasing DLCs so it makes sense to include it in the daily pledges
Shadow of the Hist, however, is the least sold (or actually failed ) DLC and has the least sales.. and you include it in the daily pledges,, as gold pledge? its a failed dungeon DLC played by the absolute least number of players, throw its dungeons as silver pledges

You are genuinely mad/upset that you can't do a gold pledge for a couple of days? I'd recommend taking a step outside, or if that's not possible, find something else to do in the game. Or buy the DLC.

Can you believe they are mad about p2w! how funny

And how exactly is it p2w, how is not doing a few pledged going to be game breaking to the point where you can't compete

code65536 · August 2016

Talyena wrote: »

I disagreed with those who complained that crafting bags to subscribers somehow took something away from their game. I disagreed with those who complained that costume dying for subscribers somehow took something away from their game. But in this case, DLC dungeons in the rotation DOES take something away from the base, non subscriber/purchaser game. My proposed fix is a third undaunted mission giver who ONLY gives out DLC dungeon pledges. That would give back dailies to those who don't subscribe or purchase certain DLCs and at the same time give bonus content in the form of an extra daily for those who do subscribe or purchase those DLCs. It's an easy fix that is a win for everyone.

What about non-Orsinium players having not access to tier-10 writs? What about non-DLC players having no harvestable tier-10 mat nodes (Cyrodiil doesn't count as the nodes are very sparse and it's the risk of being killed means nobody would farm nodes there).

The base game dungeons are still there, and you can still run them. You just won't get a key out of it. Big deal. If you care enough about group content to do pledges religiously every day, why would you not get this DLC in the first place?

waterfairy · August 2016

Can you abandon the quest and activate it again for a different dungeon?