itscompton wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

it took 2 fu...cking seconds to down him does that seem fair ????

Guy, and again, stop wasting our time and get a PC with a combat log/chat addon! If you like to talk about numbers..
Can you stop opening new threads on the same topic over and over again??

Your video shows:

A) a low HP spec'd build with 21k HP (every good stamina build can do 15-25k dmg to you in 4-5 sec). This is why people go with 25k-35k HP into PvP. But if you want to play a DD with 12-22k HP that's your choice and, yes, then you can get killed in a few seconds, one reason is: lags in PvP = the dmg comes a few seconds later

B ) PvP Lag - you can't see neither the Blazing Spear, nor the damage it does (as well as other skills which follow)

C) You, getting hit by:
1. Blazing spear + 1 tick = 3k dmg (lag pvp bug)
2. 1 or 2 burning light passive proc = 2,5k dmg, that makes 5,5k damage
3. Structured Entropy 1k dmg BEFORE RD, 6,5k dmg
4. Opponent had 2 BUFFs from Structured Entropy: (20% more spell dmg) + (20% more damage next attack/or/first dot tick)
5. Your HP 21,5 k - 6,5k = 15K -
6. First Radiant Destruction tick = 3923 dmg (20% more spell dmg/+20% first tick dmg/+CP magic damage 25%/+CP DoT dmg 25%) - 3923 - 20% dmg = 3200 - 25% dot dmg CP = 2700 - up to 25% CP magic dmg + other factors = ~1500 First Radiant Destruction tick (no accurate numbers)
7. Your HP= 15k - 4k = 11k, now finisher starts on tier 1 (of 3)
8. 2nd RD tick = 2743 dmg
9. Your HP -2743 dmg (some effects / CP heal you slightly)
10. Third Radiant Destruction Tick = 4151 (2 tick: this is "normal" damage for 1st execute phase for radiant destruction without empower buff)
11. 5k HP left
12. 4th RD tick = 7052 (tier 2 execute phase)

Radiant Destruction dmg= 3923 (+ 20% more dmg [first tick], etc. etc. etc.) + 2743 + 4151 + 7052 = 17869 total RD dmg

The time was more then 2 seconds but because of lags you couldn't see the blazing spear. After break free, you did not block/purge/heal yourself. So you were standing in an "invisible/laggy" blazing spear, so you had several DoTs on you, Blazing Spear, Burning Light, Structured Entropy + Radiant Destruction, from s.o. attacking from behind and your client had lags..

I can't say which ticks are crits and because of the lags the whole video is absolutely no evidence! Or it's just evidence for laggy ESO PvP! Second, I bet you have low CP-resistances for DoT damage and maybe 10-20% for magic damage.. ! Third, anyone would have died because of lags in that situation...

Just to clear something up, you break down the damage the poster of this video takes very well but what you are missing and what really burned him down is the fact that all the attacks listed 1-6 hit him all at the same time and would have regardless of lag.
I went through seconds 8 and 9 frame by frame. The attacker actually opens with entropy which applies the dot and buffs, he then throws a blazing spear which is actually shown landing just behind the video poster as he moving forward and is thus lost off screen after only appearing for a couple of frames.
Because of the high arc and long flight time for the spear it is possible to throw it then initiate a Radiant destruction that will land at the same exact moment. Basically he got hit with a burst over the course of ONE second that consisted of 5 different damage abilities/procs which totaled more than more than 10k damage and then one second later as the 2nd of 4 radiant ticks hit he tried to dodge roll which allowed the Radiant to run it's full course over the next two seconds . If the video poster had instead healed while blocking he likely would have lived through the radiant destruction even if barely.

Hempyre wrote: »

@genjutsu_kami

People like a show sport, even when it's a train wreck.

lol hope your still saying that when they finally nerf RD

I watched my deathrecap carefully yesterday in pvp. I rarely died from RD and when i did, the highest tick was ~7.5k. Considering my 28k HP Radiant executes me at ~25% HP...maybe a little bit more. Sounds ok for me as an execute.

I dunno why people complain that templars can kill you in ~2 seconds....all classes can but templars are not allowed to? really?

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

If Radiant was Nerfed, is there ANY Magicka spell in PVP that would be feared by Stamina toons at all? Seriously.

It's powerful when used "As Designed by Zos", and obviously broken from the LOS standpoint especially for a DOT, but compared to the many Stamina Burst attacks ranged and Melee, Radiant is like the last nail in the Magicka offensive coffin.

Sure Zos should nerf it, and Magicka toons should just stay out of competitive PVP period...

now this is the type of comment i can work with..... there is no delusion in this comment unlike some TEMPS on this thread, you actually acknowledge its powerful and keeps magic builds competitive.

magic builds that struggle, shows that the developers have faltered to bring balance to a particular class, but its does not justify giving one particular class a win button when the rest are not doing so good so thats on the developers.

the ability itself is like saying "well all magic builds are weak now but hey make a magic templar and spam radiant its all good"
thats basically whats going on, so on that note other magic classes need to be redressed it seems. one thing is clear though RD is over performing.

This confirms what I feared. Your sarcasm radar is utterly broken. Please go back and REREAD THE comment you replied to.
You think he's on your team...no. Just no.

Idinuse wrote: »

samytheslayer wrote: »

If you can't kill anyone with RD outside of 25% health then I am not talking about you because u have a terrible build. Are you trying to use RD on a stam build? To let you know someone I play with hits for over 40k with RD. What build are u running that can't kill outside of 25%

[SNIP]

I have 39k on bosses with less than 5% health left, and that is outside of Cyro anf it's 50% dmg reduction.

What ticks are you talking about that deals 40K? Full health ticks? Ticks between 50-25%? All ticks under 25%? The last tick? Or the sum of all ticks in the Death Cap screen?

What level is your friend? It sounds very much like your friend is heavilly batltle leveld, or has managed to stack so much Max Mag and SD that the build must a be a papertissue glass cannon with a very small magicka pool.

I have 32k max mag, 2.500 SD, over 3k buffed which I constantly am thanks to Spell Power pots or the SD buff from Purifying Light and just south of 2K mag regen. This is with Drink. With food I have almost 3K SD, 38K max mag but only 1.080 mag regen (after the last patch). I have the Medicinal Alchemy passive at full.

This is a normal encounter, I beleive it was a NB since it was a gank attempt, but I might be wrong on that account.

Now 6K is not the normal dmg my execute ticks do, even if 6k health left at under 25% health is not uncommon and any damage obove what health is left is just wasted and something of a joy meter rather than damage actually dealt. My execute ticks are between ~6-15k depending on what level of dmg mitigation the target has and crit or no crit. The execute tick in the ss is non crit.

I'm also fully specced for group play and not 1v1. This is possibly the most common way to build mag Templar for PvP group play DPS and utillity. I also assume that my target had a good ammount of mag mitigation since all of my skills hit for less than I normally do, but it is a real encounter in the TF campaign and not some useless DPS test.



Now do post your 40K RD ticks friend's build.

[Edited for baiting]

I know a templar who had 80k ticks in Maw of Lorkhaj Video and everything if you need it

sluice wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

As soon as the beam is applied on to you just bash the air. It bashes the beam off of you. This really is a L2P issue. If your upset because 4 templars hit you with radiant while you were retreating from a fight and you died, that is not an example of it overperforming.

Lol thats exactly how to counter it bash the air at the templar 40m away behind his zerg while you get incaped by NBs

And this is different to being smashed in the face by a giant sword whilst being stunned and unable to bash/block/roll how, exactly?

I bet 99% of the people who want to ruin RD are stamina, and probably only switched to stamina from magikca sorcerer after the stamina update, and are now upset because they realise that they may not be completely indestructible. If you actually stop for a moment, and think objectively whilst looking at RD in comparison to many stamina users skills, this would not even be an issue.

So what, its undodgable, all the better to use on those irritating shuffle spammers who seem to manage to dodge every other attack, even though it leaves me open and vulnerable to all of those gap closers and uppercuts Stop being crybabies because you cannot win every single time, this does not mean that one class needs breaking, it just means that you need to learn to lose more graciously and not try to get anything that might be a danger to you eradicated as a possible counter to your OP stamina sheep builds.

I bet 99% of the people who are defending RD are RD spammers.

Or PvEers. Game ain't all about PvP ya know?

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

If Radiant was Nerfed, is there ANY Magicka spell in PVP that would be feared by Stamina toons at all? Seriously.

It's powerful when used "As Designed by Zos", and obviously broken from the LOS standpoint especially for a DOT, but compared to the many Stamina Burst attacks ranged and Melee, Radiant is like the last nail in the Magicka offensive coffin.

Sure Zos should nerf it, and Magicka toons should just stay out of competitive PVP period...

now this is the type of comment i can work with..... there is no delusion in this comment unlike some TEMPS on this thread, you actually acknowledge its powerful and keeps magic builds competitive.

magic builds that struggle, shows that the developers have faltered to bring balance to a particular class, but its does not justify giving one particular class a win button when the rest are not doing so good so thats on the developers.

the ability itself is like saying "well all magic builds are weak now but hey make a magic templar and spam radiant its all good"
thats basically whats going on, so on that note other magic classes need to be redressed it seems. one thing is clear though RD is over performing.

This confirms what I feared. Your sarcasm radar is utterly broken. Please go back and REREAD THE comment you replied to.
You think he's on your team...no. Just no.

oh sarcasm..... how disappointing i actually thought RD defenders found some sense... its a shame

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

@genjutsu_kami

Lets be clear sport, you personally attack Every. Single. Person. that disagrees with your nonsense. And make no mistake, everything you've ever posted on this subject has been nonsense. You are clueless about how this skill works, and you purposefully have posted incorrect and misleading information.

It's not a surprise that your threads have been repeatedly closed by the mods.

+1

just to correct you..... closed because i have already made threads on the same subject (which is reasonable) and there is over 3k views on this thread so... success i would say.

clearly showing theres an issue.

back to your other ridiculous statement.

i don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me but i do have a problem with clear delusion when video evidence shows an over performing skill and certain community members are not honest enough to admit to the problem.

so spout your nonsense claims else where please. many thanks

Only nonsense is you, mate. But please continue to be delusional.

thats rich, you RD spammer fan boys band together when you realise if your RD gets balanced you will become more terrible at playing the game then you are now. i don't blame you if i was a one bar one ability spamming delusional player i would get sweaty when people post threads about the skill also lol. carry on... the RD will get the change soon *wink

No what is rich is people like you on threads in this forum. People who get proved wrong based on stats, videos and objective interpretation who then turn around and use the only pitiful argument that they have left. O you must all be Rd spamming mag templars because you are against my position. It is a pathetic attempt to salvage any semblance of an argument that you have left.

You fail to see the objective facts in front of you because of your own subjective beliefs. What is funny is when I go to a nb thread where people whineven and they get proven wrong in much the same way I am a nb who is defending broken skills. Or when I go to a dk thread I am a dk defending skills. Blah blah blah. So which is it I wonder? Which class do I play and defend? I obviously can not be playing all classes and styles according to people like you. According to people like you I only play one class and use one skill. Hmmm something is wrong here.

But it is find why don't you step back into your delusional bubble and back into the world where your position is right despite the facts, evidence, and objective conclusions being against you and back to the world where anyone who uses facts, evidence and objective conclusions are all simply people who spam Rd and are defending that.

Just in case you are wondering. I have 2 templars. One healer and one stam tank/dps. Obviously my stam one doesn't use and my healer is well a healer and has all points into healing so don't really use rd. I also have a dk I switch between stam and mag. I have a sorc and I also have mag nb and stam nb. Overally main has been a stam nb since beta.

Cinbri wrote: »

@Wrobel There is tons of rage-threads about Radiant Destruction and there was never such threads about Blinding Light. It perfectly indicate that it is time to reverse this horrible change and grant us even revamped Blinding Light.
For example adds in Mazzatun use this animation to shoot rocks, so new BL can knockdown 3 enemies through block round templar, so class will get AoE CC that goes thorugh block like other classes have coz Luminous Shards were seriously nerfed and can't play this role anymore.

A stamplar in the current meta with blinding light would break the game.

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

@genjutsu_kami

Lets be clear sport, you personally attack Every. Single. Person. that disagrees with your nonsense. And make no mistake, everything you've ever posted on this subject has been nonsense. You are clueless about how this skill works, and you purposefully have posted incorrect and misleading information.

It's not a surprise that your threads have been repeatedly closed by the mods.

+1

just to correct you..... closed because i have already made threads on the same subject (which is reasonable) and there is over 3k views on this thread so... success i would say.

clearly showing theres an issue.

back to your other ridiculous statement.

i don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me but i do have a problem with clear delusion when video evidence shows an over performing skill and certain community members are not honest enough to admit to the problem.

so spout your nonsense claims else where please. many thanks

Only nonsense is you, mate. But please continue to be delusional.

thats rich, you RD spammer fan boys band together when you realise if your RD gets balanced you will become more terrible at playing the game then you are now. i don't blame you if i was a one bar one ability spamming delusional player i would get sweaty when people post threads about the skill also lol. carry on... the RD will get the change soon *wink

No what is rich is people like you on threads in this forum. People who get proved wrong based on stats, videos and objective interpretation who then turn around and use the only pitiful argument that they have left. O you must all be Rd spamming mag templars because you are against my position. It is a pathetic attempt to salvage any semblance of an argument that you have left.

You fail to see the objective facts in front of you because of your own subjective beliefs. What is funny is when I go to a nb thread where people whineven and they get proven wrong in much the same way I am a nb who is defending broken skills. Or when I go to a dk thread I am a dk defending skills. Blah blah blah. So which is it I wonder? Which class do I play and defend? I obviously can not be playing all classes and styles according to people like you. According to people like you I only play one class and use one skill. Hmmm something is wrong here.

But it is find why don't you step back into your delusional bubble and back into the world where your position is right despite the facts, evidence, and objective conclusions being against you and back to the world where anyone who uses facts, evidence and objective conclusions are all simply people who spam Rd and are defending that.

Just in case you are wondering. I have 2 templars. One healer and one stam tank/dps. Obviously my stam one doesn't use and my healer is well a healer and has all points into healing so don't really use rd. I also have a dk I switch between stam and mag. I have a sorc and I also have mag nb and stam nb. Overally main has been a stam nb since beta.

Proved wrong... absolutely not what has happened on this thread are videos of individuals being subjected to an ability that is clearly over performing and defenders spouting their calculations and combat simulations on what a person should do when in fact its a long shot from the reality of the situation in a PVP environment.

you say evidence and facts... well this is quite humorous because I've seen threads of night blade abilities being over powered and over performing and countless people do exactly what you say..... give evidence, facts etc but never the less the abilities ultimately are "CHANGED!" example - incap strike ...... another example - breath of life ..... oh theres many more.

and i can assure you them threads also had people defending and providing logic (or lack of logic) to defend these abilities but ultimately they have been changed

so i would 100% say that my attempts to shed light on RD is not waisted at all because regardless of you spouting, evidence, facts etc ..... eventually these subjects will be addressed like all the other class have been, from night blades to sorcerers and DKs that my friend is FACT.

Loll BUT THE THINGS WE ARE SPOUTING OFF ARE BASED ON VIDEOS POSTED BY PEOPLE TO SHOW IT IS OVER PERFORMING AND WE SIMPLY SHOW HOW IT IS NOT OVER PERFORMING IN THOSE VIDEOS!!! THIS IS DIRECT EVIDENCE BACK UP WITH LOGIC AND NUMBERS OF OUR POSITION. WE ARE NOT USING SOME SORT OF ILLUSORY COMBAT SIMULATION TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION. IN FACY, WE TOOK DIRECT VIDEO PROOF TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION!

The simple fact that you can't see this and your consistency to not give an actual rebuttal to those facts outside of you are all just defending it IS an illusory and subjective argument that has no weight in a conversation that has used videos, numbers and stats along with practical advice in combat situations on how to help people against RD.

It is funny how you talk about how other threads get repeated to show a problem with something and then it gets done. Sometimes it is warranted for one thing because this game is not perfect and you would be blind to say changes shouldn't happen. But your understanding of how and why things got changed is skewed.

Just because there were many threads about something does not mean it was actually changed or was changed because of the threads. Incap strike for instance was a change on the PTS. You know where testing and feedback is supposed to go. So that is understandable. What about cloak. People whined and complained about that forever and it never got changed. Why? Because people who know how to play knew the counters to cloak and used them and these facts were explained and elloborated on in nerf forums all over. And what do you know cloak is still cloak.

So it is not that there are many threads about something so there must be an issue and it must be changed. It depends on the context of those threads along with other sources of information outside these forums. Wrobel likes numbers and so far the numbers are not in your favor based on what I have seen and experienced in game and in threads. Not to mention Wrobel did testing as said it is working fine.

So go ahead and keep yelling about it cause it won't change the objective facts about the ability. Luke fighting people with cloak, it is a l2p issue. And that sir is a fact!

Anyone could tell me why the class that outclasses the rest in terms of healing has a 28mts undodgeable execute?

Xvorg wrote: »

Anyone could tell me why the class that outclasses the rest in terms of healing has a 28mts undodgeable execute?

Because of the classes that outclass the rest in mobility, crowd control, escape, damage avoidance, and burst damage.

timidobserver wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Anyone could tell me why the class that outclasses the rest in terms of healing has a 28mts undodgeable execute?

Because of the classes that outclass the rest in mobility, crowd control, escape, damage avoidance, and burst damage.

I'm not against a execute for temps, but having a gap closer, it shouldn't be a ranged skill. Imagine what would happen if impale was a 28mts execute.

maxjapank wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Anyone could tell me why the class that outclasses the rest in terms of healing has a 28mts undodgeable execute?

Because of the classes that outclass the rest in mobility, crowd control, escape, damage avoidance, and burst damage.

I'm not against a execute for temps, but having a gap closer, it shouldn't be a ranged skill. Imagine what would happen if impale was a 28mts execute.

Impale belongs to a class that is highly mobile and also has a gap closer. The class can also cloak and reset fights at will. It also has increased speed while cloaked. It doesn't need a 28m ranged execute with those abilities.

Any class with a magicka gap closer doesn't need a 28 mts execute. Less a class with a gap closer that stuns.

Compare templar mobiliy with DK mobility and templar beats DK any time, any day of the week. Want moar mobilty? Go 2H/DW/S&B and get a 6% wpn dmg increase for free.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

@genjutsu_kami

Lets be clear sport, you personally attack Every. Single. Person. that disagrees with your nonsense. And make no mistake, everything you've ever posted on this subject has been nonsense. You are clueless about how this skill works, and you purposefully have posted incorrect and misleading information.

It's not a surprise that your threads have been repeatedly closed by the mods.

+1

just to correct you..... closed because i have already made threads on the same subject (which is reasonable) and there is over 3k views on this thread so... success i would say.

clearly showing theres an issue.

back to your other ridiculous statement.

i don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me but i do have a problem with clear delusion when video evidence shows an over performing skill and certain community members are not honest enough to admit to the problem.

so spout your nonsense claims else where please. many thanks

Only nonsense is you, mate. But please continue to be delusional.

thats rich, you RD spammer fan boys band together when you realise if your RD gets balanced you will become more terrible at playing the game then you are now. i don't blame you if i was a one bar one ability spamming delusional player i would get sweaty when people post threads about the skill also lol. carry on... the RD will get the change soon *wink

No what is rich is people like you on threads in this forum. People who get proved wrong based on stats, videos and objective interpretation who then turn around and use the only pitiful argument that they have left. O you must all be Rd spamming mag templars because you are against my position. It is a pathetic attempt to salvage any semblance of an argument that you have left.

You fail to see the objective facts in front of you because of your own subjective beliefs. What is funny is when I go to a nb thread where people whineven and they get proven wrong in much the same way I am a nb who is defending broken skills. Or when I go to a dk thread I am a dk defending skills. Blah blah blah. So which is it I wonder? Which class do I play and defend? I obviously can not be playing all classes and styles according to people like you. According to people like you I only play one class and use one skill. Hmmm something is wrong here.

But it is find why don't you step back into your delusional bubble and back into the world where your position is right despite the facts, evidence, and objective conclusions being against you and back to the world where anyone who uses facts, evidence and objective conclusions are all simply people who spam Rd and are defending that.

Just in case you are wondering. I have 2 templars. One healer and one stam tank/dps. Obviously my stam one doesn't use and my healer is well a healer and has all points into healing so don't really use rd. I also have a dk I switch between stam and mag. I have a sorc and I also have mag nb and stam nb. Overally main has been a stam nb since beta.

Proved wrong... absolutely not what has happened on this thread are videos of individuals being subjected to an ability that is clearly over performing and defenders spouting their calculations and combat simulations on what a person should do when in fact its a long shot from the reality of the situation in a PVP environment.

you say evidence and facts... well this is quite humorous because I've seen threads of night blade abilities being over powered and over performing and countless people do exactly what you say..... give evidence, facts etc but never the less the abilities ultimately are "CHANGED!" example - incap strike ...... another example - breath of life ..... oh theres many more.

and i can assure you them threads also had people defending and providing logic (or lack of logic) to defend these abilities but ultimately they have been changed

so i would 100% say that my attempts to shed light on RD is not waisted at all because regardless of you spouting, evidence, facts etc ..... eventually these subjects will be addressed like all the other class have been, from night blades to sorcerers and DKs that my friend is FACT.

Loll BUT THE THINGS WE ARE SPOUTING OFF ARE BASED ON VIDEOS POSTED BY PEOPLE TO SHOW IT IS OVER PERFORMING AND WE SIMPLY SHOW HOW IT IS NOT OVER PERFORMING IN THOSE VIDEOS!!! THIS IS DIRECT EVIDENCE BACK UP WITH LOGIC AND NUMBERS OF OUR POSITION. WE ARE NOT USING SOME SORT OF ILLUSORY COMBAT SIMULATION TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION. IN FACY, WE TOOK DIRECT VIDEO PROOF TO SUPPORT OUR POSITION!

The simple fact that you can't see this and your consistency to not give an actual rebuttal to those facts outside of you are all just defending it IS an illusory and subjective argument that has no weight in a conversation that has used videos, numbers and stats along with practical advice in combat situations on how to help people against RD.

It is funny how you talk about how other threads get repeated to show a problem with something and then it gets done. Sometimes it is warranted for one thing because this game is not perfect and you would be blind to say changes shouldn't happen. But your understanding of how and why things got changed is skewed.

Just because there were many threads about something does not mean it was actually changed or was changed because of the threads. Incap strike for instance was a change on the PTS. You know where testing and feedback is supposed to go. So that is understandable. What about cloak. People whined and complained about that forever and it never got changed. Why? Because people who know how to play knew the counters to cloak and used them and these facts were explained and elloborated on in nerf forums all over. And what do you know cloak is still cloak.

So it is not that there are many threads about something so there must be an issue and it must be changed. It depends on the context of those threads along with other sources of information outside these forums. Wrobel likes numbers and so far the numbers are not in your favor based on what I have seen and experienced in game and in threads. Not to mention Wrobel did testing as said it is working fine.

So go ahead and keep yelling about it cause it won't change the objective facts about the ability. Luke fighting people with cloak, it is a l2p issue. And that sir is a fact!

great use of capitals..... capital letters will not accentuate your statement... just to let you know of course.

i could very easily redirect your rebuttal claim to your self and other defenders of RD, your analysis on how RD performs is considered biased to a point of view of the spammer. and of course other RD users will join in on that basis. although it does not necessarily make it correct.

my understanding is not skewed my good sir it is accurate because i too have been on the forums and i have seen other people that play other classes complain about a particular skill, now the argument varies depending on the situation, meaning its value in terms of damage or its accessibility or utility.... either way there are still people coming on those threads and expressing their issue with these abilities and they have been changed. again ill repeat just so you can see it clear (INCAP STRIKE) (BREATH OF LIFE) (HARDEN WARD)...etc.

your specification of the ability and why they where changed does not concern the fundamental changes that where made. meaning, the abilities still...got....changed. obviously because there was an issue with the ability in the first place.

now using the brain power you have use that same logic to understand that RD threads are working in the same manner. their is a concern that RD is over performing. now it is very likely that it will be changed.... or not. but the underling issue is people in the community feel there is a problem to the performance of the ability. no matter how hard you RD defenders try you can not deny that obvious fact.

and just to clarify ... their are many abilities previous to these patches that were deemed "working as intended" although they still came under the scope and have been changed recently, example - healing while in stealth (Vigor now takes you out of stealth when activated) of course lets not digress, this is just and example. but are you now going to deny that people in the community have not spout the issues with play styles that let you recover more efficiently in stealth? of course you wouldn't.

no ones yelling, this is quite a calm response.... can not say the same for your full capital letter paragraph...

in all case these discussions are refreshing it really does underline a genuine concern on the performance of this ability

i welcome more calm collective response, and I am looking forward to the communities continual feedback on the matter.