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Is Animation Cancelling Considered Cheating or Exploiting? Are the consequences the same? If At All?
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.2 -
blabafat✭✭✭✭✭
✭God_flakes wrote: »If animation canceling was *meant* to be part of the game.....why did they implement animations at all then? Gee why not just make all animations diminished or invisible? Why have animations at all?
It wasn't meant to be a part of the game. ZoS did not intentionally add it, but once it was discovered and used, they decided to keep it.Fire Cloak - VR12 DK - Nord - EP
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »It has always amused me that AC is considered skillful play and macros to be shite play. To me they're essentially the same thing just one is clever fingering and one is lazily letting the mouse do the work for you. How can the person on the receiving end tell the difference? They can't.
It's not about the person on the receiving end. It's about the dexterity and capabilities on the player.
But now we all suspect you use macros, so...
Only thing close to J running a macro:
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »If animation canceling was *meant* to be part of the game.....why did they implement animations at all then? Gee why not just make all animations diminished or invisible? Why have animations at all?
It wasn't meant to be a part of the game. ZoS did not intentionally add it, but once it was discovered and used, they decided to keep it.
Yea mostly because they probably couldn't fully remove it without harming their game. The system was supposed to be changed to force animations to be visible and right now is say it's as fair as we will get.
There's other fish to fry in the grand scheme of balance.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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krim✭✭✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.
Spam-fest? The game is a spam fest regardless. Chances are you are not dieing because of animation canceling.. its bad bad bad play in every aspect. build/skill/positioning etc.4 -
God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭God_flakes wrote: »It has always amused me that AC is considered skillful play and macros to be shite play. To me they're essentially the same thing just one is clever fingering and one is lazily letting the mouse do the work for you. How can the person on the receiving end tell the difference? They can't.
It's not about the person on the receiving end. It's about the dexterity and capabilities on the player.
But now we all suspect you use macros, so...
Only thing close to J running a macro:
ROFLMAO! Can you order me one please for my Tincup whiskey?
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭God_flakes wrote: »@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.
Spam-fest? The game is a spam fest regardless. Chances are you are not dieing because of animation canceling.. its bad bad bad play in every aspect. build/skill/positioning etc.
Yeah this game is a spamfest! lol. Probably why every now and then I switch to FO....V.A.T.S is a nice submersive combat mode and one I really enjoy.
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krim✭✭✭✭✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.
Spam-fest? The game is a spam fest regardless. Chances are you are not dieing because of animation canceling.. its bad bad bad play in every aspect. build/skill/positioning etc.
Yeah this game is a spamfest! lol. Probably why every now and then I switch to FO....V.A.T.S is a nice submersive combat mode and one I really enjoy.
I dont think you have to be hyper competitive to be able to weave in a light/heavy attack or bash. Its a really simple mechanic. But my suspicions are correct. I know a single player gamer when i see one.
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »My question is, why is animation canceling a problem for any of you? It's the only thing in the game that even resembles a "combo."
Because the idea of a combo system was also beyond ZOS technical expertise. So many possible combos come to mind, but there's no coding for it here. It's a shame, it might also foster better group play.Edited by QuebraRegra on August 16, 2016 4:29PM0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.PS4 EU DC
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.
Spam-fest? The game is a spam fest regardless. Chances are you are not dieing because of animation canceling.. its bad bad bad play in every aspect. build/skill/positioning etc.
Yeah this game is a spamfest! lol. Probably why every now and then I switch to FO....V.A.T.S is a nice submersive combat mode and one I really enjoy.
I dont think you have to be hyper competitive to be able to weave in a light/heavy attack or bash. Its a really simple mechanic. But my suspicions are correct. I know a single player gamer when i see one.
Proud single player gamer here.
however, the large group play promise is what attracted me to ESO. I love the whole teamwork aspect, even if it's only a small team of 2 or 3 having fun together. And I think I'm not unique in that I find it highly annoying when I die instantly without seeing any combat or being afforded a decent opportunity to block. 0 -
Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.
Spam-fest? The game is a spam fest regardless. Chances are you are not dieing because of animation canceling.. its bad bad bad play in every aspect. build/skill/positioning etc.
Yeah this game is a spamfest! lol. Probably why every now and then I switch to FO....V.A.T.S is a nice submersive combat mode and one I really enjoy.
I dont think you have to be hyper competitive to be able to weave in a light/heavy attack or bash. Its a really simple mechanic. But my suspicions are correct. I know a single player gamer when i see one.
Proud single player gamer here. however, the large group play promise is what attracted me to ESO. I love the whole teamwork aspect, even if it's only a small team of 2 or 3 having fun together. And I think I'm not unique in that I find it highly annoying when I die instantly without seeing any combat or being afforded a decent opportunity to block.
But neither of those have anything to do with AC. Do you play without sound? You can literally tell the difference between every attack just by listening. Combat music plays before you even get hit by any ability allowing you to block an incoming attack from a ganker. If you're up against a certain class you can be blind and deaf and still know what skills they're going to use because this game only has 5 skill slots.8 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.0 -
Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
It's an exploit because he's either bad at it, or never bothered to learn it.
Or he can't handle people doing more than mashing a skill that easily to predict. Can't handle the bursts or such it seems.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
Here we go again.... Because AC was NOT intended to be exploited in the original game design. Later, when they determined that they could not address the exploit, they called it a feature. The whole discussion was well documented and can be searched for.
So AC became known as the "feature" called "weaving". Once a documented exploit, always an exploit, regardless of how it got spun.
FACT.2 -
caeliusstarbreaker✭✭✭✭✭
✭QuebraRegra wrote: »caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »My question is, why is animation canceling a problem for any of you? It's the only thing in the game that even resembles a "combo."
Because the idea of a combo system was also beyond ZOS technical expertise. So many possible combos come to mind, but there's no coding for it here. It's a shame, it might also foster better group play.
I hear ya, but I think there would be so many skills rendered useless. Can you imagine a light destro, crushing shock weave where a whole animation that couldn't be clipped, and how mundane that would be? Or a light attack puncture(h-slash) bash? People would run 2h dizzying swing way more than they do already. I understand the animation prioritization so the whole second half of the then wrecking blow animation was cancelled doesn't happen (as much, or at all that I can tell, however I haven't touched the skill in so long).
Added: I just don't understand who's day is really being ruined that much by it, because I am not having these issues.Edited by caeliusstarbreaker on August 16, 2016 4:58PMRhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
Here we go again.... Because AC was NOT intended to be exploited in the original game design. Later, when they determined that they could not address the exploit, they called it a feature. The whole discussion was well documented and can be searched for.
So AC became known as the "feature" called "weaving". Once a documented exploit, always an exploit, regardless of how it got spun.
FACT.
But why is it an exploit, it was a bug, zos decided to keep the bug. So it's no longer a bug or an exploit and is now intended game design.
Just stop crying and either learn or don't either way no one really cares if you consider it an exploit or not. People will do it, you will die to it and you will continue to throw salty tears all over the forums it seems.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
It's an exploit because he's either bad at it, or never bothered to learn it.
Or he can't handle people doing more than mashing a skill that easily to predict. Can't handle the bursts or such it seems.
Just because someone doesn't like it or thinks it's exploiting a bug does not mean they can't do it . I can do it and faster them most of the people out there . Still don't like it . I got so tired of doing it I swapped builds . After 2 years of killing people in one round of attacks , it got boring for me . I went back and played other games for awhile where you have to time the animation and hit your next attack as fast as possible . It was harder after being here so long . The people that stayed there became very skilled at cast time selection , a whole different skill set on top of builds for elite 1vsX play .1 -
Eirella✭✭✭✭✭Animation cancelling is not cheating and does not need to be fixed. Zos needs to get rid of that animation prioritization crap that they changed.1 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
Here we go again.... Because AC was NOT intended to be exploited in the original game design. Later, when they determined that they could not address the exploit, they called it a feature. The whole discussion was well documented and can be searched for.
So AC became known as the "feature" called "weaving". Once a documented exploit, always an exploit, regardless of how it got spun.
FACT.
But why is it an exploit, it was a bug, zos decided to keep the bug. So it's no longer a bug or an exploit and is now intended game design.
Just stop crying and either learn or don't either way no one really cares if you consider it an exploit or not. People will do it, you will die to it and you will continue to throw salty tears all over the forums it seems.
you didn't do the research did you? Taking advantage of a bug is by definition exploiting.
It was exploited by scrubs (like you maybe), and it's become the defacto standard now to be competitive. I can animation cancel with the best of them, and sadly it's pretty much required in PVP at this point. That doesn't make it less an exploit of scrubby.
I luv where you wrote "zos decided to keep the bug".... LOL! Keep the bug indeed? Oh Lee, we've been over this soo many times, and you still fail.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
Here we go again.... Because AC was NOT intended to be exploited in the original game design. Later, when they determined that they could not address the exploit, they called it a feature. The whole discussion was well documented and can be searched for.
So AC became known as the "feature" called "weaving". Once a documented exploit, always an exploit, regardless of how it got spun.
FACT.
But why is it an exploit, it was a bug, zos decided to keep the bug. So it's no longer a bug or an exploit and is now intended game design.
Just stop crying and either learn or don't either way no one really cares if you consider it an exploit or not. People will do it, you will die to it and you will continue to throw salty tears all over the forums it seems.
you didn't do the research did you? Taking advantage of a bug is by definition exploiting.
It was exploited by scrubs (like you maybe), and it's become the defacto standard now to be competitive. I can animation cancel with the best of them, and sadly it's pretty much required in PVP at this point. That doesn't make it less an exploit of scrubby.
I luv where you wrote "zos decided to keep the bug".... LOL! Keep the bug indeed? Oh Lee, we've been over this soo many times, and you still fail.
But it's not considered a bug anymore, it's not going anyway. It's now part of game design.
Just stop crying and trying to be that guy that 'above' everyone else.
What would happen if is wasn't hear, the gameplay would slow to a crawl, it would be so easy to dodge/block everything in pvp.
Is that what you want? Easier slower pvp, the game to just turn into spamming 1-2 skills over and over? With 0 reaction time required.
I see, thats how much of a 'top tier pvper' you are then.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »God_flakes wrote: »@God_flakes
I respect your opinion. However, I disagree with your logic. So, animation canceling is a skill based aspect of the game. It requires skill/practice. You said that it's not fair, but if one person has not spent time to master a certain aspect of the game, while the opponent has, that opponent should have the upper hand. It's like me saying someone who has played longer than me and more skilled than me has an unfair advantage. It's not an unfair advantage.
And I respect yours. However, I do not see AC as "skillful". I see it as a pointless action that devolves into a spam-fest. It is a rhythmic movement thing that I think appeals to certain people- and as a piano player I can kinda understand that. But it takes away from a situational awareness for the spammer and the spammed. I've also felt it favors people with better latency and FR. All just my own personal thoughts on it as an old school gamer who is probably stuck in the past. As a musician and someone with good internet I probably could master it myself. Perhaps I'm just not hyper competitive enough to do so and to each his own. And no, Kena I am not looking to 1vX on this topic. It's probably one as many have said that's been beaten to death.
Spam-fest? The game is a spam fest regardless. Chances are you are not dieing because of animation canceling.. its bad bad bad play in every aspect. build/skill/positioning etc.
Yeah this game is a spamfest! lol. Probably why every now and then I switch to FO....V.A.T.S is a nice submersive combat mode and one I really enjoy.
I dont think you have to be hyper competitive to be able to weave in a light/heavy attack or bash. Its a really simple mechanic. But my suspicions are correct. I know a single player gamer when i see one.
Proud single player gamer here. however, the large group play promise is what attracted me to ESO. I love the whole teamwork aspect, even if it's only a small team of 2 or 3 having fun together. And I think I'm not unique in that I find it highly annoying when I die instantly without seeing any combat or being afforded a decent opportunity to block.
But neither of those have anything to do with AC. Do you play without sound? You can literally tell the difference between every attack just by listening. Combat music plays before you even get hit by any ability allowing you to block an incoming attack from a ganker. If you're up against a certain class you can be blind and deaf and still know what skills they're going to use because this game only has 5 skill slots.
I really am not interested in debating this, especially with the likes of you. I've stated my opinion. I can see both sides, really, but tend to fall on the side of not being able to obscure combat in any way.0 -
Manoekin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »
AC exists on console.
When people get out skilled the first instint is always 'macro's it seems on pc.
what you call a skill, I'll never consider anything but an exploit... which is what it is, macros or manual.
Why is it an exploit?
Here we go again.... Because AC was NOT intended to be exploited in the original game design. Later, when they determined that they could not address the exploit, they called it a feature. The whole discussion was well documented and can be searched for.
So AC became known as the "feature" called "weaving". Once a documented exploit, always an exploit, regardless of how it got spun.
FACT.
They can change it if they wanted to. They just don't want to. If we're mentioning FACTS
It not being intended does not make it a bug. It makes it unintended. What they decide to classify it after it becomes known to them is entirely up to them, and in this case they decided it wasn't a bug. They embraced AC, and rightfully so as it provides much smoother and responsive combat than you would get otherwise. Less so now after the recent priority changes unfortunately.0 -
Ahk1lleez✭✭✭An easy fix to the ridiculous bursting ability that AC currently gives is only have a .25 second window for animations to be allowed to be canceled. In other words, block only takes top priority for .25 seconds (perhaps even less time than that) after attacks are initiated. This way not enough of the animation has triggered for the ability to cause damage but users still have the opportunity to cancel an attack if they're anticipating an attack coming from their opponent. This would ultimately cause gameplay in both PVE and PVP to become more reactionary and less of a dps race/instagib fest.Edited by Ahk1lleez on August 16, 2016 5:52PM1 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭For ZOS to remove "weaving" which is the correct term because your not really canceling anything. They would have to rework how combat works entirely. What you are doing is adding a light/heavy attack to your normal rotation of just spamming a skill.
AC / Weaving is a product of games with skills and attacks on different GDC's or cast times. For example in WoW you can play a mage cast a fireball and a fireblast right after. What you get is two skills hitting at the same time and is only possible because fireball is 3 second cast and fireblast is instant cast. Before fireball is even casted your one second GDC is up allowing you to cast another skill and in this case its fireblast. In wow you cant do this every time because fireblast had a cooldown.
In eso we have the same thing except skills dont have a cooldown outside of the GDC and light/heavy attacks are not part of the GDC for actual skills. Players can then "Weave" a light/heavy attack which is not a bug or exploit in any way sorry.
If ZOS were to add light/heavy attacks to the GDC they would become almost pointless. Except i think you need them now to generate ulti.... I dont even know lol.. simple solution revert to 1.5.
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