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Mag temps need a nerf.
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Ernest145✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »
Not sure if you are being serious I highly doubt you are but I and many other players playing any other classes mag or stam could've done the exact same thing to bad players. That's like playing magicka dk killing 5 bads and then running to the forums to say magicka dk is fine.Invictus
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Truewavesound✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
Indeed. And 1vsX? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Edit: this was directed at the video in the quote, not yours (although I agreed with your text, not sure of point of your video?)Edited by Truewavesound on August 15, 2016 12:08PM0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭Truewavesound wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »
Absolutely no idea of your point. Video of a couple of executes of players *** were already in execute range, then killing two potatoes who did nothing to defend them selves or even attack.... this video says nothing. what did you think it was saying? LOL!
So much derp in this thread.
so ironic when players such as yourself claim its being a potato not to counter an obnoxious ability when i know for a fact you would get destroyed the same way lol get of your high horse your not god of pvp LOOOL0 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
hahahaha well done you tool you just posted a video of how OP breath of life is and why it should be nerfed LOOOOOL well that backfired quickly0 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Yes, it's actually not about using los, blocking, resource management, only Htdgenjutsu_kami wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
hahahaha well done you tool you just posted a video of how OP breath of life is and why it should be nerfed LOOOOOL well that backfired quickly
really disgusting how people want last magicka class to be nerfed, just because they want to make another oneshot CoD from every freaking game.
Edited by Sugaroverdose on August 15, 2016 12:13PM7 -
Ernest145✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Yes, it's actually not about using los, blocking, resource management, only Htdgenjutsu_kami wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
hahahaha well done you tool you just posted a video of how OP breath of life is and why it should be nerfed LOOOOOL well that backfired quickly
And mist form, I saw no mist form usage at all..Invictus
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Truewavesound✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »Truewavesound wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »
Absolutely no idea of your point. Video of a couple of executes of players *** were already in execute range, then killing two potatoes who did nothing to defend them selves or even attack.... this video says nothing. what did you think it was saying? LOL!
So much derp in this thread.
so ironic when players such as yourself claim its being a potato not to counter an obnoxious ability when i know for a fact you would get destroyed the same way lol get of your high horse your not god of pvp LOOOL
SPG grade: Fail. See me after class.
But seriously, what are you even saying? Let's try and decipher.
The two potatoes - what obnoxious ability are you taking about? Shards? Entropy? Then the execute used as an execute? They did nothing, not even attack. Just stood there or ran away. Nom nom nom, i love tatties.
My mother always taught me not to argue with obvious muppets on the internet so i'll just leave this now. Have good potato fun!4 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Yep, extended ritual is also just random button mash.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Yes, it's actually not about using los, blocking, resource management, only Htdgenjutsu_kami wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
hahahaha well done you tool you just posted a video of how OP breath of life is and why it should be nerfed LOOOOOL well that backfired quickly
And mist form, I saw no mist form usage at all..
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genjutsu_kami✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Yes, it's actually not about using los, blocking, resource management, only Htdgenjutsu_kami wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
hahahaha well done you tool you just posted a video of how OP breath of life is and why it should be nerfed LOOOOOL well that backfired quickly
really disgusting how people want last magicka class to be nerfed, just because they want to make another oneshot CoD from every freaking game.
hahaha this is brilliant you have just gave the forums reasonable ammunition to put some templar abilities under the scope. thank you for sharing this..... this will help the community see the imbalanced mechanics of certain abilities0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »omg
Radiant Destruction an execute skill executed me, pls nerf
omg
A tank, tanked some players, pls nerf
Do you people even realise what you write before you post.
Omg that execute ticked for 4k damage at 100% hp.
Omg that execute starts scaling when there at 50% hp... not even close to what most would consider execute range.
Omg that execute gets a damage boost via 2 cp stars.
Omg that execute hits through dodge roll... a stamina classes main defence.
Omg the first tick of that execute is instant... as in the animation doesn't even appear.
Omg that execute has a range of 40m.
As the magicka templars seem to think jesus beam if fine can we balanced the stamina executes then?
Stamina execute are 100% instant no animation needed, if i press it when your 40% hp you die instantly.
Stamina executes now ignore the magicka main defence, shields. When your brought to 30% hp and you pop that healing ward to start your shield stacking then don't worry that it now ignored and your dead. It's only fair right this is what happens to stamina.
'Balanced' ... Honestly the day these fotm classes/builds are put in line i'm gonna enjoy the tears/ap and hatemails i'm going to get off the baddies who play them because they need to play broken builds/classes because there just terrible.
Everything in game has a counter, only thing that stops wagon wheel stam builds rolling across the map, Radiant or streak (theres probs a few more) Counter to radiant destruction= break line of sight, or interrupt them, did you know: if you bash them it stops
here is something else you stamina genius guys don't think about:
Crit charge then bash= No more radiant
Shield charge= No more radiant
if you want to stay ranged that's easy! "Venom Arrow: If the enemy hit is casting an ability they are interrupted, set off balance and stunned."
If you are magicka build simply use crushing shock x)
Gap closers = 22m
Radiant = 35m
Sure i'll just bash them.
It's like these radiant baddies don't even read. The first tick is instant, you don't see it. What are people mean't to do if there is more than 1? Bash them all? Hope they are in range?
No radiant is such a strong skill, hence why you see so many magplars now who use it full hp. OP skill = easy mode.
And the baddies do like easy mode.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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IxSTALKERxI✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Most annoying thing in pvp right now is fighting a mag temp in heavy armor. Dodge roll was penalized, streak was penalized and tanking was penalized.
It's about time we penalize heals too, my idea is having a 2 sec cooldown on a heal ability...or just nerf blackrose.
As a heavy armor mag temp I think I sort of fall under the category of players you are talking about atm. I don't wear blackrose or reactive, instead I use sets that give some spell power to increase the effectiveness of my healing, so that I'm actually of use to my group. I can't hold block forever, I hold block when I'm about to be focused by a burst combo, and release block if the incoming damage is manageable, I'm forced to mistform and reposition when focused for too long as it drains my stamina at a decent rate. I can't spam bol as much as you think, as I'm in heavy. I put hots on players, lay down ritual, purge off siege dots and then top people up with a bol. I can only afford to top people up with a breath of life once every 2 seconds anyway. Pretty much all i'm doing with bol is topping people up and helping them survive incoming burst damage on them. I think it's a good thing that there is a counter to the burst damage meta, as the game can get quite stale if it is nothing but who can burst combo the other person first. I don't think it's possible to kill me 1v1, but I won't be able to kill you either, I'm a healer nothing more. The game isn't balanced around 1v1. Cyrodiil is open world pvp made up of groups of all sizes and different playstyles.Edited by IxSTALKERxI on August 15, 2016 12:24PMNA | PC | Aldmeri DominionLaser Eyes AR 26 Arcanist | Stalker V AR 41 Warden | I Stalker I AR 42 NB | Stalkersaurus AR 31 Templar | Stalker Ill AR 31 Sorc | Nigel the Great of BlackwaterFormer Emperor x11 campaign cyclesVenatus Officer | RIP RÁGE | YouTube Channel10 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭Truewavesound wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »Truewavesound wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »
Absolutely no idea of your point. Video of a couple of executes of players *** were already in execute range, then killing two potatoes who did nothing to defend them selves or even attack.... this video says nothing. what did you think it was saying? LOL!
So much derp in this thread.
so ironic when players such as yourself claim its being a potato not to counter an obnoxious ability when i know for a fact you would get destroyed the same way lol get of your high horse your not god of pvp LOOOL
SPG grade: Fail. See me after class.
But seriously, what are you even saying? Let's try and decipher.
The two potatoes - what obnoxious ability are you taking about? Shards? Entropy? Then the execute used as an execute? They did nothing, not even attack. Just stood there or ran away. Nom nom nom, i love tatties.
My mother always taught me not to argue with obvious muppets on the internet so i'll just leave this now. Have good potato fun!
in english please.... i understood some words...maybe you need a lesson in communication
it will help make this conversation flow appropriately
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Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Why it's imbalanced? I could just vigor+roll-dodge whole the time+manage stamina regen exactly the same way - using mist form.genjutsu_kami wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
Yes, it's actually not about using los, blocking, resource management, only Htdgenjutsu_kami wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
hahahaha well done you tool you just posted a video of how OP breath of life is and why it should be nerfed LOOOOOL well that backfired quickly
really disgusting how people want last magicka class to be nerfed, just because they want to make another oneshot CoD from every freaking game.
hahaha this is brilliant you have just gave the forums reasonable ammunition to put some templar abilities under the scope. thank you for sharing this..... this will help the community see the imbalanced mechanics of certain abilities
But we all know that you don't have any arguments don't we?
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Truewavesound✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »Truewavesound wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »Truewavesound wrote: »genjutsu_kami wrote: »
Absolutely no idea of your point. Video of a couple of executes of players *** were already in execute range, then killing two potatoes who did nothing to defend them selves or even attack.... this video says nothing. what did you think it was saying? LOL!
So much derp in this thread.
so ironic when players such as yourself claim its being a potato not to counter an obnoxious ability when i know for a fact you would get destroyed the same way lol get of your high horse your not god of pvp LOOOL
SPG grade: Fail. See me after class.
But seriously, what are you even saying? Let's try and decipher.
The two potatoes - what obnoxious ability are you taking about? Shards? Entropy? Then the execute used as an execute? They did nothing, not even attack. Just stood there or ran away. Nom nom nom, i love tatties.
My mother always taught me not to argue with obvious muppets on the internet so i'll just leave this now. Have good potato fun!
in english please.... i understood some words...maybe you need a lesson in communication it will help make this conversation flow appropriately
My point proven, thanks.1 -
John_1999✭✭✭I play almost only Magplar, and I hate RD, I really hate that skill. I hate people using it on people at full life... as some one said above, free AP. They should reduce the execute range to 25% and that's it. I play Magplar for almost a year, so I know what I am talking abut.
To be honest with you, if I need fast and easy AP, I just run with the AD-Zerg and spam RD (68 Killing Blows in 1 hour)
Pls ZOS nerf that skill.
Some one wrote above there is a counter to each skill... pls tell me one only one class skill, that counters cloak from 20+ meters
Bol and healing over all from Templar should not be nerfed.. I Heal myself for 13K crit with Bol... you as not Templar think, that is too much? LOL.... You can hit 14K with incap strike or dark flare or snipe or even heavy attack, but Templar should not heal for 14K???? just LOL.Magicka Templar: Tammi von Tamriel
Stammina Templar: John James Smith
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭genjutsu_kami wrote: »
Ok, a few things:
1st player: You start executing at 19% health--> a lot of dmg
2nd player at 43% health
3rd at 22% health
4th (decent kill without beam)
5th player, starts beaming at full health, but player is lvl 47....
This video doesnt say anything about RD being broken. 3/4 player you using RD at is below/way below excute threshold and therefore RD does a lot of damage. And beside those 3 AD are being hit by NPC guardians (or what you would like to call them) while you´re using beam.5 -
Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
Reducing it's execute range will not really help to fix zerg rd spammers, only reducing cast distance to =< 22 metersI play almost only Magplar, and I hate RD, I really hate that skill. I hate people using it on people at full life... as some one said above, free AP. They should reduce the execute range to 25% and that's it. I play Magplar for almost a year, so I know what I am talking abut.
To be honest with you, if I need fast and easy AP, I just run with the AD-Zerg and spam RD (68 Killing Blows in 1 hour)
Pls ZOS nerf that skill.
Some one wrote above there is a counter to each skill... pls tell me one only one class skill, that counters cloak from 20+ meters
Bol and healing over all from Templar should not be nerfed.. I Heal myself for 13K crit with Bol... you as not Templar think, that is too much? LOL.... You can hit 14K with incap strike or dark flare or snipe or even heavy attack, but Templar should not heal for 14K???? just LOL.
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Anazasi✭✭✭✭✭
✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »
OMG you almost had me.....I was almost going to say "well yeah nerf them", but he died so no point jumping on this band wagon.
But lets put this in perspective. 1 magplar vs 4 fights for 2 mins and dies? Are you saying the other 4 died? are you saying the fight was too long? I don't get it. help me out here.
(you need to realize, many paths exist for builds these days, the micro meta is real. You also can find 3 broad groups of play style/ build. 1 is burst dps, 1 is max mitigation, and 1 is sustain. Good players will always push the extremes most players tend to find a balance that meets their play style.)
Do not call for a nerf to something that is working as intended because of personal opinions.
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Anazasi✭✭✭✭✭
✭So its only now that templars are strong?
Son I been tanking 10+ guys in Kags heavy as a healer since fricken IC dropped. Where the hell you been. (seriously, Zazeer and GoS were still playing when I made the same suit I use today, almost a year ago). I remember sitting for four hours one night back in late 2015 with Sinister from GoS (now in Invictus) theory crafting the build, the day i forsook light armor on templar forever. That same suit sat on my AD templar for nearly six months until I was finally able to buy a character slot and make an EP templar like id always wanted.
This isnt a Malubeth or Black Rose thing, this has been the templar power build since forever, its only recently become mainstream because some people made some videos of it and the metachasers saw how strong constitution is, heavy has been strong as hell for a lot longer than that. Its one of the main reasons I was against buffing it further. In fact, I remember saying that the loss of block cost in heavy NEEDED to happen without buffing anything else because it was already OP.
This is the reason a lot of you on the forums and your little fanboy cliqs bother me so much, you dont even know whats good in the game until one of them runs a video of it. You have any idea how many heavy armor templars have been running since long before any of this changed?
No, you dont, because youre ignorant of how the game works.
Lol.....Kag's, let me teach you a few things, I wrote the book from which you copied......0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I play almost only Magplar, and I hate RD, I really hate that skill. I hate people using it on people at full life... as some one said above, free AP. They should reduce the execute range to 25% and that's it. I play Magplar for almost a year, so I know what I am talking abut.
To be honest with you, if I need fast and easy AP, I just run with the AD-Zerg and spam RD (68 Killing Blows in 1 hour)
Pls ZOS nerf that skill.
Some one wrote above there is a counter to each skill... pls tell me one only one class skill, that counters cloak from 20+ meters
Bol and healing over all from Templar should not be nerfed.. I Heal myself for 13K crit with Bol... you as not Templar think, that is too much? LOL.... You can hit 14K with incap strike or dark flare or snipe or even heavy attack, but Templar should not heal for 14K???? just LOL.
No if your not a full pve kid you will not be hit for a 14k incap.
Templar healing is over the top.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭i play as many classes as i can and i personally think that magplar itself is fine... if built correctly yes they can be VERY tanky... but at the same time if not built correctly they can die within seconds ... it all comes down to how the player builds itBreton Nightblade ~ Fang of the Wolf ~ (50) | Altmer Dragonknight ~ Ðårk Ŵølf ~ (50) | Altmer Necro ~ Ðeåth Ŵølf ~ (50)
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Magicka Templar isn't overpowered. Light Armor magicka Templar is just as hard to play and unforgiving as light armor magicka Sorc/DK/NB. The synergy between Heavy Armor and magicka Templar however is pretty strong. And that's a conversation that we can have, sure. But there's no way I'm gonna entertain it until Stamina is nerfed into the ground: damage, heals, dodge or all three. You telling me you have never seen a stamina build take multiple players on with ease? Make no mistake, that is the most pressing balance issue of the day. As it stands heavy armor Magplar is the only class spec that's even comparable to stamina builds medium or heavy. Heavy armor stam DK and stamplar are easily more powerful all around than Heavy Magplar. So until every single light armor Magicka build is brought to par with medium armor stamina builds, and magicka and stamina are balanced in general, we are not gonna nerf the one Magicka spec that can even compete.
And P.S: If the Templar was was taking on the 4 players with ease and killed any of em- I assure you they weren't any good. The only thing a Magplar can do against 4 competent players is mist form line of sight until they run out of juice. If it drops the defenses to go offensive against good players, the Templar will get obliterated due to the channel time on virtually every Templar skill. Now compare this to a stam Templar, for example, that can easily have vigor and rally hots along with shuffle up - alongside 8% damage reduction and healing on top of everything- as it bash cancels heroic slash with impunity, punctuating it with dawnbreaker bursts.....ya. Not even close.8 -
Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »I play almost only Magplar, and I hate RD, I really hate that skill. I hate people using it on people at full life... as some one said above, free AP. They should reduce the execute range to 25% and that's it. I play Magplar for almost a year, so I know what I am talking abut.
To be honest with you, if I need fast and easy AP, I just run with the AD-Zerg and spam RD (68 Killing Blows in 1 hour)
Pls ZOS nerf that skill.
Some one wrote above there is a counter to each skill... pls tell me one only one class skill, that counters cloak from 20+ meters
Bol and healing over all from Templar should not be nerfed.. I Heal myself for 13K crit with Bol... you as not Templar think, that is too much? LOL.... You can hit 14K with incap strike or dark flare or snipe or even heavy attack, but Templar should not heal for 14K???? just LOL.
No if your not a full pve kid you will not be hit for a 14k incap.
Templar healing is over the top.
I've been hit with a 12k incap while running full impen and 47 in resistant. It happens.5 -
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in actual game state even having 45k resists will not help to survive couple of stampeople with drain stamina poison and smart enough usage of dawnbreaker. Now the only thing which helps to survive heavy magplars is meeting sheep herd, or running in one of such.i play as many classes as i can and i personally think that magplar itself is fine... if built correctly yes they can be VERY tanky... but at the same time if not built correctly they can die within seconds ... it all comes down to how the player builds it0 -
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It was saved for my mate, in this topic context it's about OPness of RD.Truewavesound wrote: »Sugaroverdose wrote: »
What does it proves? He catch a bunch of people who cannot even kill guards.genjutsu_kami wrote: »
try to count beams in this vid, spoiler - i didn't kill anyone there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuU2kLruvoU
Indeed. And 1vsX? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Edit: this was directed at the video in the quote, not yours (although I agreed with your text, not sure of point of your video?)
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That's great, and I do respect that!
But Magicka Templar is no longer stomped into the ground. Not even by the slightest stretch of the mind. Whether you think they need nerfs or not, it's painfully clear they do.
Look around you in Cyrodiil. 90% or more of Magicka classes are Templar now. Even the alts being grinded in the Sewers are always Templars. This is the situation on PS4 NA and I doubt it is different elsewhere.
I hope you stick to Magicka Templar when they are nerfed, since it'll most likely happen.
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✭✭✭✭Magicka Templar is the only viable magic caster class left for pvp. Stam builds whin because they are the only magic spec left that isn't an AP piñata.
Every other magic spec in the game sucks in comparison to Stam between players of equal skill so much so that it's a running joke.
I have spent very very little time in pvp this patch for that reason. ZOS completely butchered magic Sorc for pvp to the point it's unplayable it's only good for dropping Negates in groups that's it and maybe an off healer. 80% of Cyrodiil is Stam because magic flat out sucks and the majority of the small percentage of magic toons you will see are Templars because they are the only ones even remotely viable against OP Stam.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »
I hate to break it to you, but they weren't skilled players6 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »
I hate to break it to you, but they weren't skilled players
So true1
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