I thought I was going mad and missed the post. Seems there is no post. If we are lucky we might get 30 seconds on ESO live later - between them trying to sell the console players the DLC and the rest of us new crown store items.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're going to try and get a forum post up today or tomorrow to explain the current status of grouping and the Grouping Tool, and what we're doing to fix them.

Still waiting.....
Is this going to be like all of the other ongoing problems ? Ignore it and hope it goes away ? Sink the forum threads and hope we forget about it ?

And considering that you have now conveniently removed the cancel subscription button from the account management page, people are now also unable to even cancel their subscription in disgust over your lack of response and refusal to fix the grouping problems.

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're going to try and get a forum post up today or tomorrow to explain the current status of grouping and the Grouping Tool, and what we're doing to fix them.

I'm a big time procrastinator, so I'm really not trying to be a jerk, but that was Tuesday and now it's Friday. I know you all are busy but some of us miss the PUG life.

* cough * @ZOS_GinaBruno * cough *

Thanks for the transicription @MissBizz!

MissBizz wrote: »

This does impact the grouping tool. So hopefully that helps.

I'll be testing during prime time with my tanks and healers next week, hoping that I can make group finder part of my daily routine again.

MissBizz wrote: »

Grouping issues/fixes was briefly mentioned on ESO live.

Of course, some fixes going into Monday's patch.

When the leader invites someone who accepts, but the leader can't see it kinda thing. The one that was partially fixed last patch will hopefully be fully fixed this Monday.

Sometimes leader sends and someone accepts but no one gets put into a group should also be address in Monday's patch.

This does impact the grouping tool. So hopefully that helps.

Fixes should be for console as well when their Update 11 goes live.

[EDIT] I didn't realize these grouping issues were apparent during the Dark Brotherhood DLC as well. Hopefully it works for the tool and everyone impacted!

Well thanks for the report but those issues mentioned just barely scratch the surface of group finder issues and, as a matter of fact, they're not exclusive to group finder: I experienced both of those last night when forming a group using zone chat and manual invites. I got the now familiar message that "player x" had left the group just as soon as I invited him and looked at the group composition through "P" it showed as empty. I also invited a second player who had whispered me and got no "left the group" message that 2nd time. I had just started to message the first guy to let him know that something had gone wrong when both of them appeared as being grouped with me - this took about 3 minutes to happen from inititial invite.

So yes, it's good to know that they are aware of that issue and are working on it but the horrendously long queues for making a 4-man group of any sort that have been here since the DB update are still very much with us and there is no mention of THAT fix or that they're even aware that it exists.

I for one find it kind of offensive when they talk about "those affected" as if it wasn't the whole freaking player population... which it is. That indicates to me either a lack of interest in fixing it or a lack or awareness of the magnitude of the problem.

The group finder in its present form is 100% useless. Its only useful function at present is to battle level you and get you into an instance if you already have created a pre-made by hand.

This is a very BIG problem that has been with us for weeks. Just prior to the DB update it did its job fairly well. Better in fact than it had ever done before. The DB update screwed it up royally and I have no confidence that they even understand the problem or its magnitude when they keep picking around the edges of the issue with some fixes to other grouping problems while not even talking about the main core issue.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry guys, don't want to give you excuses for keeping you all hanging, so let's just get to the meat of the post:

We do have some additional fixes going into Monday’s PC incremental patch, and are also working toward implementing these fixes on console for next week’s update as well. Just to make sure we’re all on the same page, below are a couple examples of the issues we’re tracking:

1. Player A sends a group invite to Player B. Player B accepts the group invite. Player A doesn’t see that Player B has joined the group, but both players are still essentially grouped.
   • This was partially fixed in PC patch 2.5.6, and we’ll have additional fixes in 2.5.7. You can try going to a different zone or relogging to see if that helps you in the meantime.
2. Player A sends a group invite to Player B. Player B accepts the group invite. Neither player is placed into a group.
   • This is largely an issue with the group leader; the game believes you’re the leader of a group, but in reality, you’re not. This will also be addressed in 2.5.7.

Note that these issues are also likely impacting groups forming through the Grouping Tool in situations where groups appear to be formed, but are immediately disbanded and hit with the 15 minute debuff.

Until these fixes are published next week, make sure you leave or disband your current group before logging off, especially if you’re the group leader. This will help ensure you won’t get stuck in a state where you cannot join future groups. If you’re already in a state where you cannot join a group, this should be remedied on Monday with the new patch.

For the first time since last Monday's patch, I had the original grouping issue - which doesn't seem to be addressed in your post.
To wit, I (Player A) invite someone to group (Player B ). Player A sees Player B accept & then leave the group - and sees no group (even though they are grouped). Player B sees the group just fine.
This happened a lot before last Monday's patch. It hadn't happened since, but it happened to me last night.

Still doesn't sound like anything that will fix the long queue times on console. Considering I cannot get into a group to even encounter the above mentioned issues, looks like nothing changes for me.

Player A invites player B to group, but player A can't see player B in group. this happen twice to me, quick fix for me was to reload the UI

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry guys, don't want to give you excuses for keeping you all hanging, so let's just get to the meat of the post:

We do have some additional fixes going into Monday’s PC incremental patch, and are also working toward implementing these fixes on console for next week’s update as well. Just to make sure we’re all on the same page, below are a couple examples of the issues we’re tracking:

1. Player A sends a group invite to Player B. Player B accepts the group invite. Player A doesn’t see that Player B has joined the group, but both players are still essentially grouped.
   • This was partially fixed in PC patch 2.5.6, and we’ll have additional fixes in 2.5.7. You can try going to a different zone or relogging to see if that helps you in the meantime.
2. Player A sends a group invite to Player B. Player B accepts the group invite. Neither player is placed into a group.
   • This is largely an issue with the group leader; the game believes you’re the leader of a group, but in reality, you’re not. This will also be addressed in 2.5.7.

Note that these issues are also likely impacting groups forming through the Grouping Tool in situations where groups appear to be formed, but are immediately disbanded and hit with the 15 minute debuff.

Until these fixes are published next week, make sure you leave or disband your current group before logging off, especially if you’re the group leader. This will help ensure you won’t get stuck in a state where you cannot join future groups. If you’re already in a state where you cannot join a group, this should be remedied on Monday with the new patch.

So just to be clear, do you guys feel the issues you have mentioned are directly effecting the grouping tool in the form of queues taking sinply not poping after multiple hours of waiting?

It's not likely, no, but we are actively investigating the cause for the long queue times. It may be as simple as not enough players using it for the specific dungeon you're trying to run, but it may be something else. We'll let you know if we hear anything more definitive.

This is very unfortunate, I was hoping that the group finder was also getting fixed. I (as I think many others) were under the impression that fixing included the group finder. Hopefully we will see it fixed before the next DLC, or else that will be 3 DLC's it's not working right for.