How is magicka sorcerer today

_adhyffbjjjf12 · August 2016

Hi folks, i quit palaying about a year ago as i only play mages/sorcerers, looking in to see if things are any better. Grateful if you could advise on the following:

1. Is magicka sorcerer competitive in PVP?
2. How is survivability, do you still have to spam your face of with shields?
3. Any major changes to spell selection and build?

many thanks

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2016

Yes.
Yes and no not cause of 6 second shields.
Not really use what you want how your supposed to.

RebornV3x · August 2016

1. Not really its tough to play as a Magicka Sorc in PVP if your a elite top player its great if your just an average or casual player your probably going to hate it.
2. Survivability is ok but spamming shield is everything in PVP on a mag sorc
3. Depends when was the last time you played a few changes between thieves guild and this patch have happened Dark Brotherhood destroyed many builds and with the Shadows of the Hist some older builds have come back

Izaki · August 2016

1. Sorcs are still strong in the right hands. (Streak and Overload AKA my favorite moves. Sooo many different combos)
2. Depends if you want to go with divines gear or impenetrable gear. I play with Hardened Ward and Healing Ward only, no need to shield stack to survive.
3. Not really. Skill bars stay pretty much the same.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

1. If you were exceptional before, you still will probably be okay. But (at least on console), all of the average sorcs switched to stam.
2. Yes, unless you go for a non-cookie cutter build.
3. If you were/are going to be a dw sorc, trapping webs no longer is a spammable option and dawnbreaker is physical damage now.

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2016

Take it from a sorc since launch:

In PVE Magic Sorc is pretty good.

In PVP Magic Sorc is absolute garbage. The only thing magic Sorc is good for in pvp is to drop negates for a group.

The prevalence of Shuffle and the ability to dodge as much as these folks can due to well fitted traits, med armor Passives, and the champion system the odds are against you.

The only magic casters IMO that are viable now are Templars and Magic Nightblade and they both are woefully under powered compared to Stam on all 3 fronts.

I'm
Just trying to save you some frustration I would highly recommend rolling a Stam toon if you remotely care about being competitive. I refuse to do that so my Sorc is pve only I sometimes heal groups with a Templar from time to time but that's bout it really..good luck

OGLezard · August 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Take it from a sorc since launch:

In PVE Magic Sorc is pretty good.

In PVP Magic Sorc is absolute garbage. The only thing magic Sorc is good for in pvp is to drop negates for a group.

The prevalence of Shuffle and the ability to dodge as much as these folks can due to well fitted traits, med armor Passives, and the champion system the odds are against you.

The only magic casters IMO that are viable now are Templars and Magic Nightblade and they both are woefully under powered compared to Stam on all 3 fronts.

I'm
Just trying to save you some frustration I would highly recommend rolling a Stam toon if you remotely care about being competitive. I refuse to do that so my Sorc is pve only I sometimes heal groups with a Templar from time to time but that's bout it really..good luck

100% this, sorc was my main since before launch and up until they butchered us and forced us all to run the same build. #NewCombatDesignerPlease. I really want more build freedom (VIABLE) for all classes, but mainly (because it is my favorite) sorc.

Derra · August 2016

Sorc is great in pvp when running very specific setups (gear and skill wise). On those it does work quite well.

Shieldspamming is worse than it ever was bc of the shortened duration.

Minalan · August 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes.
Yes and no not cause of 6 second shields.
Not really use what you want how your supposed to.

The six second shield doesnt help matters. Any half wit that can count to five and stun you wins. Crit Rush + heavy attack combo, dizzy swing spam. Every single time. If you block, they'll just dizzy spam until your Stam runs out.

The issue is that armor pen is the meta in this game. And with sharpened weapons, every Stam toon gets 5000 on top of another 5000 for major breach.

Your light armor sorc is now naked (-10K physical = 0 physical protection). That means without shields you get or or two shot even with Impen on.

So no. Six second shields is NOT enough, it's actually about four and a half seconds unless you animation cancel it perfectly.

TL;DR. Sorcs are fodder for bow tards and Stam builds this patch. You see some good sorcs out there, posting 1vX videos of them beating up potatoes. But none of them are fighting GOOD Stam players, especially stamplars.

Vaoh · August 2016

Unless you are ready to invest hundreds of hours into just playing solo PvP on your Magicka Sorc, I do not recommend. You won't perfect your shielding and playstyle otherwise. With 6 seconds duration you must perfect your shielding without mistake to live. If your health gets exposed due to shields expiring as soon as you're CCed, you basically just died.

Simply put, you are almost guaranteed to get slaughtered out there nowadays as a Magicka Sorc. Easy AP.

The very few Strong Magicka Sorcs are still doing there thing ofc. 1vXing like usual. That is due to them being great players who could perform even better on other class specs though.

Magicka Sorc is honestly not in a good spot

LarsS · August 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

1. Sorcs are still strong in the right hands. (Streak and Overload AKA my favorite moves. Sooo many different combos)
2. Depends if you want to go with divines gear or impenetrable gear. I play with Hardened Ward and Healing Ward only, no need to shield stack to survive.
3. Not really. Skill bars stay pretty much the same.

I agree with Izaki sorcs are fine. I also want to point out that sustain is more important than max dammage in pvp.

Lucky28 · August 2016

Forget about your sorc, it's dead. Make a magblade.

MalakithAlamahdi · August 2016

Well, of all classes i played, i feel that magicka sorc is is very weak. Even enemy sorcs are eaten like cake on any toon. I wouldn't play it right now, i at least can't enjoy it besides fighting NPC's.

Torbschka · August 2016

Derra wrote: »

Sorc is great in pvp when running very specific setups (gear and skill wise). On those it does work quite well.

Shieldspamming is worse than it ever was bc of the shortened duration.

Do u speak about the Llich / Willpower + X and Seducer / Willpoer + X setup or is there anything other good worth a try? (Cant test Amberplasm, but it could be as good as seducer?)

I'm the dual wield guy (5x LIch, 5x Julianos, 3x Willpower)

AverageJo3Gam3r · August 2016

#stillBetterThanMagDK

Xeven · August 2016

Torbschka wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sorc is great in pvp when running very specific setups (gear and skill wise). On those it does work quite well.

Shieldspamming is worse than it ever was bc of the shortened duration.

Do u speak about the Llich / Willpower + X and Seducer / Willpoer + X setup or is there anything other good worth a try? (Cant test Amberplasm, but it could be as good as seducer?)

I'm the dual wield guy (5x LIch, 5x Julianos, 3x Willpower)

We have 12 gear slots max. Youre not doing 5 Lich 5 Juli 3 Willpower.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · August 2016

gave pvp it a try last night again, could still kill people, still had a huge dependancy on shields, and felt weak against good pvp players 1v1. still getting lag as well which i thought had been improved? (spells not going off) thanks for advice guys, Love Tamriel but i'm putting him back on ice for another 3-6 months

Zander98 · August 2016

Mag sorts can still be competitive and fun. I always say they're fine, but I was playing one in 1.5 when they were 3rd in dos and pretty much every other category.
You really have to use your mobility which means running some kind of sustain or cost mit build. You will have to work HARD to kill players, and if you get caught flat footed you're wrecked. But negate is stronger than ever and you can get either alt mastery or warlock rings, so for the first time in a long time at least they are interest to theory craft for.
If you like a chalange, they're fun. Stamp builds will dive at you like you're free up, do ducking and dodging that burst is a full time job. Can't always do it....but the rare times you can it feels awesome.

Minalan · August 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sorc is great in pvp when running very specific setups (gear and skill wise). On those it does work quite well.

Shieldspamming is worse than it ever was bc of the shortened duration.

Do u speak about the Llich / Willpower + X and Seducer / Willpoer + X setup or is there anything other good worth a try? (Cant test Amberplasm, but it could be as good as seducer?)

I'm the dual wield guy (5x LIch, 5x Julianos, 3x Willpower)

We have 12 gear slots max. Youre not doing 5 Lich 5 Juli 3 Willpower.

Front bar two juli swords.
Back bar lich resto staff.
Three Julio armor, Four lich. Head, shoulders, chest, belt, bracer, legs, shoes.

You only need the lich set for the proc, swap bars when you're low on magicka and swap back after the proc.

It works fine if dual wield is your thing.

Torbschka · August 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sorc is great in pvp when running very specific setups (gear and skill wise). On those it does work quite well.

Shieldspamming is worse than it ever was bc of the shortened duration.

Do u speak about the Llich / Willpower + X and Seducer / Willpoer + X setup or is there anything other good worth a try? (Cant test Amberplasm, but it could be as good as seducer?)

I'm the dual wield guy (5x LIch, 5x Julianos, 3x Willpower)

We have 12 gear slots max. Youre not doing 5 Lich 5 Juli 3 Willpower.

ehmm... no

KisoValley · August 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Take it from a sorc since launch:

In PVE Magic Sorc is pretty good.

In PVP Magic Sorc is absolute garbage. The only thing magic Sorc is good for in pvp is to drop negates for a group.

The prevalence of Shuffle and the ability to dodge as much as these folks can due to well fitted traits, med armor Passives, and the champion system the odds are against you.

The only magic casters IMO that are viable now are Templars and Magic Nightblade and they both are woefully under powered compared to Stam on all 3 fronts.

I'm
Just trying to save you some frustration I would highly recommend rolling a Stam toon if you remotely care about being competitive. I refuse to do that so my Sorc is pve only I sometimes heal groups with a Templar from time to time but that's bout it really..good luck

@RinaldoGandolphi I was taking your post serious until I saw you say Magplar is 'worfully under powered compared to Stam'.

The fact that some top Magplar players are QUITTING their Magplars because it has become too easy says it all.

Please don't spew propaganda on the ESO forums it is not appreciated thank you.

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2016

Magplars can be tanky healers at the cost of damage.

Stamina is still better open world. Mag plar is forced to be a vampire with all its weaknesses and halted mag recovery in mist form to get the same thing Stam builds get with shuffle and momentum

Stam has much higher burst and dps then mag Templar both pve and pvp. It's not propaganda it's fact.

The only thing mag plar is good for in pvp is being a tanky healer and beaming people behind a Zerg. 1v1 a tanky Templar will never kill a competent Stan build with beam, and tanky Templar healers have poor damage on other skills due to building for sustain to heal.

Duel wield light armor Templars spamming jabs can be decent but they are squishy and still lack top end damage compared to stamplars and other Stam builds. Magic Templar is the only magic spec this patch that is somewhat competitive with Stam. It is what it is.

Emma_Overload · August 2016

Mag Sorc is fine as long as...

1) You never run into any hard-hitting stamina builds,

2) You only fight other ranged attackers, and

3) Zergs only send out guys to fight you one at a time.

Apherius · August 2016

In PVE ? bad , he have the worst dps of magicka classe ( worst regen , worst damage , worst gameplay , worst diversity ! , worst survival )
PLEASE don't say me " yes but ... overload man " this is a NOOB ultimate in dugeon , maybe in raid for engage the fight . ( so : noob ultimate = worst gameplay )

Makkir · August 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sorc is great in pvp when running very specific setups (gear and skill wise). On those it does work quite well.

Shieldspamming is worse than it ever was bc of the shortened duration.

Do u speak about the Llich / Willpower + X and Seducer / Willpoer + X setup or is there anything other good worth a try? (Cant test Amberplasm, but it could be as good as seducer?)

I'm the dual wield guy (5x LIch, 5x Julianos, 3x Willpower)

We have 12 gear slots max. Youre not doing 5 Lich 5 Juli 3 Willpower.

I did it. DW Julianos.
Stop being a newb.

Xeven · August 2016

Meh Im not thinking about DW backbar shenanigans. F*** DW.

Methariorn · August 2016

My sorc still running fine: the biggest problem is the damage burst of stamina build going up every damm patch while our shields got a 50% nerf in Cyro. The six seconds duration put us in danger vs any sniper build.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2016

I'm still having fun with my sorc in pvp. Vampire with 5 seducer, 3 willpower, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, with vMA destro/resto. 6 impen, 1 infused with defending staves. Stamina draining poisons on the staves. 5 light and 2 heavy. I have over 22k resistances (with boundless storm active) with 1900 crit resist meaning I don't need to panic when my shield goes down. Works well; resources for days but damage is a little lacking. Nice burst is still possible though with use of degeneration and combat prayer.

tnbdare · August 2016

I spend more time as a corpse than anything else. Sorc stands for re-roll DK or Templar

Xeven · August 2016

Sorc is dead but I still have a KDR of 20:1.

Master_Kas · August 2016

It's OP as hell. That's why all you see is magicka sorcs.

Oh wait .