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If you have ever cheated or exploited, for any reason...
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Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
I don't care who you are friends with, or anyone else for that matter. I don't care who cheated, cheats, or will cheat down the road. I am The Scipio (pronounced Ski-pee-o). My writing is only held back by the rules here. i don't care if your dear friend cheated or that people want "justice". It is not my job to be the policeman of ESO. What I do know is that your friend made a conscious choice, was caught, gave Matt Firor a foot rub and was reinstated. He chose his digital life because unlike the real world it allows him to have control. For example, in Tamriel he is the mighty warrior (only second to Sypher's older brother Sabre Ali). IRL he can't seem to stop butterflies from landing on him no matter how hard he tries.
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also requesting please turn off your gawd damn cheat engines when I'm playing PLEASE . Just wanted good clean fun fights once in a while you know ...lol . I work hard all week . Needs meh PvP tyme Bruhs .
3pm EDT -11pm EDT
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HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭In my opinion there are different shades of cheat, exploits, and grey areas.
- Cheats are any 3rd party software downloaded to aid in giving someone an advantage others wouldn't have in game and violates the TOS.
- Exploits are any bug or unintended actions that are not legitimized by ZOS as being valid.
- The grey area, bugs that have not yet been found, cheese methods that ZOS never though of, and other issues of that nature.
I will tell you to stop exploiting in most any case, but the punishment that you incur is best left to ZOS to judge as an impartial 3rd party and policing this matter. Much like the real cops, they will look at the case and give out mitigating factors where necessary. Absolute punishments rarely work, though I do feel that repetitive abusive behaviors like we're seeing shouldn't be allowed to continue
Now though some folks are freaking out at getting the equivalent of a speeding ticket for exploiting gap closers. The amount of excuses parallel what a guy getting caught speeding gives: "it was just one time", "I did it by accident", or "everyone else was doing it". When you get caught, act friendly, be humble, and ask nicely for an unban, that's all it really takes. But if you're doing this constantly or being an jerk to support (the police) don't be surprised when your sentence is paid in full.
Given our current environment, I would agree that full time bans may be necessary unless ZOS changes its naming and shaming policy, since we have little way to know if someone was cheating or being legit with the current revolving door we have for repeat offenders. I will discuss more about that in a separate lengthy post though, I've ranted enough for now.3 -
kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭You, should leave. Period. Banned, gone, out, no recourse, no review, just get the hell out.
I know, the game is busted, sure, thats a great copout to shift blame for your own idiotic actions. Sort of like blaming gun manufacturers for being able to shoot someone dead right? Extreme hyperbole, still valid. Take some damn responsibility for yourselves. Any of you reading this who are guilty I sincerely wish you werent here anymore. You dont deserve to be here, no matter how well known, how long youve been here, or how much money youve sunk into the game, I really dont care. Youre lucky as all hell I am no GM. Lucky as hell.
I am frankly disgusted, have been for a long time.
Every conversation in Alliance war lately has revolved around this subject, or has been somewhere in the background. Eleven of the last twenty threads reference it either in the OP or in the first few comments. Proud of yourselves?
Short term gain, long term loss. Pathetic, really it is.
PS: we all know who you all are btw, any theorycrafter or long term competitive player has had you pegged for months. Just stop with the victim card or trying to play nitpick, youre guilty as sin.
I agree 100% And I have probably never been more disgusted with the game and a lot of the players than I am now and if I don't see ZOS take some real action in the near future I'm looking for something else to play. I just cannot support a game financially that lets cheating run rampant.2 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I dunno. i really don't consider Leaping/ambushing into keeps an exploit those are two aspects that make defending and taking keeps very very fun. I mean a tower farm being broken before it can begin because a Nightblade followed someone through the door is priceless.
I would be beyond pissed if ZoS took that out of the game.
You do that and someone records and reports you, will get a vacation.
Ambush was the first and only gap closer to be reverted to it's previous state when the changes to gap closers allowed people to crit rush into keeps.
besides. if not infiltration what is the point of a nightblade?. same with with leap, you got wings use 'em.
only thing about it that's *** is when there is no one in the keep to defend it, then it is a pure exploit.
You should take 5 minutes to read the first post of the pinned thread in this forum on cheats and exploiting where ZOS make clear that if you do this you are a cheat and can be banned:
To quote...
"To summarize, if you are using abilities such as gap closers to do things that are not within the realm of intended design and/or bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls and getting under the environment (ground, water, etc.), you are exploiting. In short: don’t do it. If we catch you exploiting and/or cheating, even once, it is grounds for disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of your game account."
Their enforcement might be weak but this statement is pretty obvious - although since you have admitted to doing it on this thread and are presumably still playing make your own conclusions on how risky cheating is in this game right now.
As for the other known bugs... this is why ZOS are awful, they just will not make clear statements and stick by them.... the sharpened bug is a great example where for about 6 months players had a choice of simply not using a whole weapon type and forgetting about nay sort of penetration skills or exploiting, same with axe bleed... ZOS should be clearly announcing the bug and what, if any, action should be taken by players to avoid it or not. Failure to do so leads to all these people who think that exploits are 'OK' even when most of us won't use them knowingly.3 -
Fasoll✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
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God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darnathian wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »So you tell me that every player that have ever used wall of elements, lethal arrow, ferocious leap, sharpend weapons etc should all be permanently banned?
I get that you are upset, truly. But if zos hadn't made exploiting and cheating "ok" by never punishing it for almost 2 years things would've been different. If they even fixed the broken skills that allowed players to exploit it faster then once every major patch it would also send different signals to the community. At the moment it's just abuse it while you can, it won't be fixed for several months anyways.
Useing 3rd party software and useing a skill in a way that zos isn't even fixing is two completely different things. 3rd party software is on the players, but broken skills is not our responsibility to fix.
Should stacking nirnhoned in 1.6 for 40k+ spell resistance be on this list too?
If so, rip us all
GTFO this thread. Wow. "How did you get away with it? lololololol"
She should know. "Got away with it to date".4 -
Fasoll✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc 4 -
RadioheadSh0t✭✭✭✭✭In Overwatch they ban players for cheating, and instead of unbanning them, they ban them if they repurchase the game as well. Cheaters have bought the game multiple times, and been banned every time.
In ESO, they unban players caught using cheat engines and permaban players using the gap closers the developers broke and haven't fixed in months.
Stay Classy, ZOS.Edited by RadioheadSh0t on August 13, 2016 4:12PMAldonius Direnni - Vet Altmer Sorc (AD)
Tyrus Telvanni - Vet Dunmer DK (AD)
Al Donius Bundy - Vet Imperial NB (AD)
Aldonius Brutus - Vet Orc DK (DC)14 -
Jules✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭God_flakes wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »So you tell me that every player that have ever used wall of elements, lethal arrow, ferocious leap, sharpend weapons etc should all be permanently banned?
I get that you are upset, truly. But if zos hadn't made exploiting and cheating "ok" by never punishing it for almost 2 years things would've been different. If they even fixed the broken skills that allowed players to exploit it faster then once every major patch it would also send different signals to the community. At the moment it's just abuse it while you can, it won't be fixed for several months anyways.
Useing 3rd party software and useing a skill in a way that zos isn't even fixing is two completely different things. 3rd party software is on the players, but broken skills is not our responsibility to fix.
Should stacking nirnhoned in 1.6 for 40k+ spell resistance be on this list too?
If so, rip us all
GTFO this thread. Wow. "How did you get away with it? lololololol"
She should know. "Got away with it to date".
You and Darnathian are perfect for each other. Obsessed, immune to logic and incapable of human compassion.6 -
SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭This will just get closed like every other post. It's a lot easier to ignore one post on the forums then multiple. Just go post in the stickied thread so ZOS can continue ignoring it.3 -
Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »In Overwatch they ban players for cheating, and instead of unbanning them, they ban them if they repurchase the game as well. Cheaters have bought the game multiple times, and been banned every time.
In ESO, they unban players caught using cheat engines and permaban players using the gap closers the developers broke and haven't fixed in months.
Stay Classy, ZOS.
But there must be some kind of identifier in order for that to work. Credit card? Well you can easily use a family member's or friend's card for example. IP address? Well IP addresses are dynamic themselves or can be masked. So what do they use?0 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭RadioheadSh0t wrote: »In Overwatch they ban players for cheating, and instead of unbanning them, they ban them if they repurchase the game as well. Cheaters have bought the game multiple times, and been banned every time.
In ESO, they unban players caught using cheat engines and permaban players using the gap closers the developers broke and haven't fixed in months.
Stay Classy, ZOS.
How can the ZOS approach to cheating possibly be seen as healthy for the game?1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
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moiraleafcull✭✭✭I did have some long rambling response that in short agreed wholeheartedly with @Rylana. But after a few moments of letting the aggravation and disappointment at the continuing "cheat/exploit" to win at PvP, the inane justifications of repeatedly using exploits just because ZOS hasn't fixed them, I simply have gone beyond the point of caring. I will PvP when the mood stikes (less and less these days) to hang with some really good people/PvPers and wait for the CU servers to flip from Alpha to Beta.
While I am sure CU will not be absent this very same behavior, I am sure they will be hardcore about enforcement based on comments in their twitch streams (btw also a wealth of information that is truly enlightening if you think ZOS has coded this game well). I am also quite sure based on what I have seen so far that I will be horrible in it but I will at least be able to take comfort in knowing that those I lose to are not cheating/exploiting and I am not reviewing every combat log when something seems totally out of whack from my expectations. While those reviews are very revealing and I have learned more in these past few months about skills and combos and builds, quite honestly I would prefer to do my PvP thing and look at my damage out versus damage taken before I "gray screened."
Rylana applaud your stance, your efforts and consider myself privileged to see your name on my list of "most killed by". Its nice to know that most, if not all of the top 10 on that list are some of the best who played it clean.
Edited by moiraleafcull on August 13, 2016 4:28PM@moiraleafcull == 551+ Champion
Daggerfall Covenant: Moira Leafcull - Temp AR 27 | Fara Nightsky - NB AR 6
Proud to wear the tabards of Daggerfall Pride and LoM0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the gameTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.14 -
Jaiden✭✭✭I cheated my way through single player campaign of StarCraft 2. MoreDotsMoreDots and IAmIronMan ftwJaiden V16 nightblade
That's all I got, 1 toon.1 -
Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
Good actor3 -
Fasoll✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Edited by Fasoll on August 13, 2016 4:48PM3 -
Fasoll✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
Good actor
I love Tom Hardy. He is one my favorites along with Leo. Guy just has that charisma when he acts.
Edited by Fasoll on August 13, 2016 4:39PM0 -
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✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Mate, all respect for ya no salt here, but are you seriously claiming German never cheated? Like, for real?Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Mate, all respect for ya no salt here, but are you seriously claiming German never cheated? Like, for real?
I think I shook my head so hard at his post it triggered a migraine.
I have said this before and will say it again: I may not be in the top tier of players in this game or extraordinary on my own, I am mediocre at best. The teamwork aspect is what drew me to pvp in this game, and I do believe I am more than qualified making strat calls and encouraging pugs in zone. All that aside, due to my occupation I AM very good at reading and understanding human behaviors and the psychology behind them. Without a doubt in my mind I can say with confidence there are MANY personalities in this game who, if given the opportunity to download and utilize a program like CE, would in a heartbeat and would continue to do so despite prior warnings and disciplinary action because frankly the desire to be seen as "elite" and to stand out and be worshipped (like (sypher and Fengrush are) would be far too tempting. This would also drive their determination to come here and repeatedly deny their bad behavior in the hopes that they would be believed, in order to achieve the status and hero worship they so crave. CE has been shown to me. I've seen how rapidly and easily it can be turned on and off during gameplay and even during battle. It has changed countless battles in this game, even entire campaigns and has made monsters of very average players with very limited moral compasses.Edited by God_flakes on August 13, 2016 5:19PM4 -
Flake✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Explain vMA then....6 -
God_flakes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Explain vMA then....
I will save poor Fasoo's thumbs: L2P, getgud, weRjustthatgud, weDontcheatexceptmultiplemundus, blah blah blah.4 -
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✭Exploiting, stacking nirnoned armor, using broken bleeds, broken skills to bug out your opponents, using multiple munduses, exploiting overload bar for both inner light and bound armor passives, changing races to obtain more passives etc. etc. and whatever else is, was, and will be available from the same category, is what makes you a wheelchair player.
A wheelchair player degrades overtime since crutches do not promote any muscle (skill?) growth. This is what great players should absolutely not do, if they want to remain competitive once those things are not available anymore. Not so great players shouldn't exploit either, since they won't be able to realistically advance in terms of their gameplay with these crutches and will degrade back to their realistic level once it's fixed. No one should use those things, period.
Blaming a company in order to exploit is just plain wrong. There is no excuse, no matter how well someone paints it. No one should be doing it and Zenimax has all rights to enforce this, as we all agreed to their TOS when we signed up for the game.
Whoever does not agree and gets sanctioned, can just quit the game. Once you accept TOS and start using the product, that's it. No talking about it, no discussions, nothing.
Second, using extremely and obviously overpowered sets and making combos of multiple OP things in the game (malubeth + posions + vitality potions for example?) is also a form of a crutch, not as bad as exploits but equally devastating to a player's skill level over time. These things may or may not be changed eventually, but chances are they will since they're a bit too strong. Good players should not use these combos either, as they are not good for them and their gameplay. I have had a friend tell me that he's been an emperor for so long, that now he can't PVP anymore since he forgot how to play with normal stats. This is pretty much that.
Lastly, cheat engine. Using cheat engine is grounds for a permanent ban. I personally do not mind fighting cheat engine users, I love a good challenge and to me, personally, I could care less if I'm fighting a guy with cheat engine on or off. However, such players and groups of players are devastating for the game and need to be dealt with.
What Zenimax needs to do here is the following;
1. Fix cheat engine issues and make sure there's absolutely no way to cheat in ESO in terms of external programs.
2. Balance the game and fix OP combos that render a good majority of that player's opponents powerless.
3. Fix all exploits and make sure that everything is working as intended without glitching and bugging out to ruin other player's experiences on purpose.8 -
Fasoll✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Mate, all respect for ya no salt here, but are you seriously claiming German never cheated? Like, for real?
German can speak for himself if he wants but I know as of right now he is not at all. so take with that what you want.Edited by Fasoll on August 13, 2016 5:44PM0 -
SleepyTroll✭✭✭✭✭
✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Mate, all respect for ya no salt here, but are you seriously claiming German never cheated? Like, for real?
German can speak for himself if he wants but I know as of right now he is not at all. so take with that what you want.
Yeah he wont post. he'll only play the victim in zone chat and try and be friend everyone when he wants emp lol3 -
Mustard✭✭✭✭Neither German or ZOS will respond after this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X159ibyyiA&feature=share 7 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »tisk tisk tisk Jules. If only you had stayed DC with Bulbasir and Steve way back when. You and I could have been buddies and you wouldn't have run with the wrong crowd. Quite frankly I would have shared my Greek yogurt with you if you'd had asked. Instead you chose the life of "fake DC". You chose to allow being associated with those that are lightning rods for controversy. And you held on to those rods as lightning struck.
This is a silly post like all of your posts but it is saturated in truth as well.
To me, friendship transcends public opinion. Friendship transcends public hatred. If you can't stand by your friend when everyone hates them then you aren't much of a friend at all.
That is my choice, I am aware of it. I am aware of the tarnish it gives to me and the damage it has caused to my reputation.
Luckily for me, I care more about character than reputation. And reputation is merely what others think of you, while character is who you are. I know who I am. I know I don't cheat and I know never have and never will. I know that in my heart. I would swear that on a bible, on the constitution, on the souls of those I love and everything I hold true in this life. I would only make such statements because I know beyond the shadow of a doubt its validity and sincerity.
This is just a game. But I respect this game, I love this game. However, I love my friends too. It's a very unfortunate catch 22 I find myself in, but it is what it is. The community can hate me if they see fit, which is what many have decided already. But my conscience is clear and I am willing to bet that if anyone throwing shade at me were in the position I find myself now, they would not find it so easy to navigate through.
You seem to be intelligent to understand that you are only a average of the 5 people you spend the most time with.
Loyalty is a fine and admirable trait, but loyalty to scumbags makes you a scumbag by transitive properties in any logical being
you say all this like you know we cheat lmao. it's so funny because none of us even cheat , even if we wanted to , this patch you cannot cheat without being automatically banned. I am in the same boat as jules, I have never cheated in this game minus double mundus way back in 1.6 which was almost a requirement as many did it way back. I have always played legitimate and I know jules has as well. one of us usually stream everyday, you can tune in and watch us play clean and do the same things people claim we can only do with cheats.
I not only have some of the most skilled players in this game as friends, but also downright AMAZING theorycrafters within my group of friends as well. We were all a huge proponent of Black Rose becoming a commodity as well as some of the true meta tank builds ( Sribes and Lemur). Have none of you ever stopped to think "Hm, maybe they are just good players?", just due to one man having multiple bans within our group you label us all cheaters and scumbags. lmao. feel free to watch my videos on youtube and see if you can spot anything fishyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOJELEqRRc
That's all well and good and you infer that I am saying you cheat, I never said that.
Apparently you are unaware of the saying:
One bad apple ruins the bunch.
You don't cheat? Great. You protect/respect/are loyal to someone that is a known cheater and has been exposed multiple times? Worse because you actually KNOW that shouldn't happen.
I don't personally care about your theorycrafting over performing sets, great.
Also, you don't get to say "I have never cheated in this game" minus. It doesn't work that way.
You exploited double mundus you should have been banned then, and for admitting it you should be banned now.
We don't need that type of player in the game
Well considering it happened on accident and there was no way to get rid of it :-). Some people were getting up to 3-4 mundus and couldn't get rid of them. I got it and didn't know how to purge it and eventually kept it due to seeing everyone in the game running around with it. I didn't really sweat it. It was fixed and I didn't mess with it at all after that, I had it when I had it and when it went away I was happy as it made everyone equal again
German isn't cheating , he is a great player and can solo decently, but we are only considered so strong because we play as a team and have really good teamwork with each other, alone we can't do a lot , but together we can accomplish very impossible seeming feats to some. (just this morning a fellow aristocracy member Navitas and I wiped 20 plus EP by ourselves simply with coordinated Ultimates and the right builds to bounce off each other. Maybe you all need to look at what you are doing and realizing it is wrong, and learn to play the game to the max potential and make use of clever game mechanic strategies.) or you can be like this OP pug who stays in the past of the game and can't even solo a resource.
I just think you all look at us with a shaded lense due to things you've heard without actually taking off the glasses and seeing with your own eyes.
Sorry we like to have fun.
Mate, all respect for ya no salt here, but are you seriously claiming German never cheated? Like, for real?
German can speak for himself if he wants but I know as of right now he is not at all. so take with that what you want.
K.
It's a bit surreal man. At this point in ESO most of the Top end PvP community knows everyone, knows who plays legit and who doesn't. This *** gets around. If you're a friend of someone who has blatently cheated... Like, that happens. I get it, cheating doesn't make you a bad person. They're still a friend. But the best thing to do is to just be quiet. Loudly and consistently standing up for people like this is just weird and pointless.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost16 -
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✭Nah, know plenty that do though, here and elsewhere. It's part of the challenge for some of them, writing the perfect macro, finding that back door that others don't know about.
For some though it's just about making themselves feel better, or knowing they are making others feel worse. These tend not to actually know much about code or alike, users of cheat engine and so on.
So many ways to do seemingly impossible things. I won't list them.Edited by CapuchinSeven on August 13, 2016 5:55PM1
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