Vigor for Magicka Users

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · August 2016

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

xblackroxe · August 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

Bc magicka has Healing Ward and Shields in general which are stronger than heals.

hydrocynus · August 2016

Templar - Breath of Live/Honour the Dead/Jabs + More
Dragonknight - Inhale/Dragon Blood + More
NB - Funnel Health + More
Sorc - I know nothing of sorcs i am afraid.

Question should be, why do the classes all have Magicka based heals (maybe Sorc doesnt i dont know) yet Stamina classes only get Vigor?

Voxicity · August 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

Templar - Breath of Live/Honour the Dead/Jabs + More
Dragonknight - Inhale/Dragon Blood + More
NB - Funnel Health + More
Sorc - I know nothing of sorcs i am afraid.

Question should be, why do the classes all have Magicka based heals (maybe Sorc doesnt i dont know) yet Stamina classes only get Vigor?

The summoned twilight can heal higher than BoL at some points. Also sorc has a nice big juicy shield which is better than a heal anyway

devilsTear · August 2016

I've seen magDK's using it in cyrodiil lately, don't know if it's a good idea though.

DurzoBlint13 · August 2016

magica users have the entire resto-staff skill line.....or Templars have several skills that are better than Vigor.
Combat Prayer or Healing Ward are all better than Vigor for burst. Rapid regen is better than Vigor for HoT. Vigor is desirable because it is Stam based and Stam toons are very limited on self heals.
What class are you looking at Vigor for? There may be other alternatives depending on your class

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2016

...... Restoration staff...... Regeneration and it's morphs .......

..... Seriously these whining threads about stamina need to stop.

mb10 · August 2016

Is there a magicka user SERIOUSLY complaining about Vigor and there not being a magicka type of heal.

Theres a log out button somewhere on this page, press it.

Had enough of the *** complaints on these forums. Get a grip and grow a pair.

code65536 · August 2016

Harness. Not a heal, but serves the same purpose as the button I press in the event of "oh crap, I'm dying".

s7732425ub17_ESO · August 2016

Literally the entire resto staff skill line is equivalent or better.

OdinForge · August 2016

Every class has some type of built in heal option that magicka builds can use, Templar has multiple. It kinda sucks that the major healing options come from restoration staff, but magicka users have more options to heal. Stamina healing options are slowly branching out with the different weapon trees, but surely magicka builds don't "need vigor".

Minalan · August 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

...... Restoration staff...... Regeneration and it's morphs .......

..... Seriously these whining threads about stamina need to stop.

Id love one that didn't tie me to the resto staff.

A magicka vigor morph would be amazing however, leaving me to sword and board back-bar.

PlagueMonk · August 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

...... Restoration staff...... Regeneration and it's morphs .......

..... Seriously these whining threads about stamina need to stop.

Id love one that didn't tie me to the resto staff.

A magicka vigor morph would be amazing however, leaving me to sword and board back-bar.

really...REALLY? magicka already gets benefit from DW swords (which I have lobbied against because it's completely stupid ******) now you want a magicka version of Vigor? You ever heard the phrase, "you can't have your cake and eat it too?" Want a single slot heal? PLAY STAMINA. That's the sacrifice.period. You want magicka to be able to have everything and do everything but if that happened, why the hell would you go stamina?

Well STOP ASKING unless you are willing to allow stamina users a "stamina" healing line. Man I would be MORE than willing to "sacrifice" my secondary bar to great healing and buffs.

mr1sho · August 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

Here take vigor just take everything from stam players

Waffennacht · August 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

Here take vigor just take everything from stam players

I'll take some dodge roll... a shuffle... a vigor... a block... um a little bit of those weapon abilities... and just a side of armor sets that have 1 trait damage and regen...

Yes yes that'll do nicely

So, OP, are you a sorc? Cuz yeah only sorcs are SOL in the heals department (and the major mending department... and the spammable dps move... or the....)

But for Sorc, for a heal, I would recommend Blessing of Restoration, yeah it's resto bar.... but it's instant and big and spammable...

Every other class has access to good class based heals.

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

lolwut? so every single other heal in the game isn't good enough you want to take the ONE stamina skill in the game that's also behind a pvp wall and add a s=magica morph?

yeah.. okay buddy..

let's see funnel health and breath of life get stam morphs, and we'll talk.

silky_soft · August 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

lol

Vaoh · August 2016

Stamina builds are meta in PvP right now because they are generally more powerful than Magicka builds.

Vigor may need to get a cost increase or heal decrease. With that said, there should never be a Magicka morph for this skill. Terrible for balance.

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Stamina builds are meta in PvP right now because they are generally more powerful than Magicka builds.

Vigor may need to get a cost increase or heal decrease. With that said, there should never be a Magicka morph for this skill. Terrible for balance.

why in the epic hell should vigor be nerfed to accomodate ,agica players? magica was top dog for ages. Now stam finally gets a go at the spotlight (for who knows how long) and you want to nerf the only heal option stam users have.

amd ruin the heal for pve users as well.

gtho

ArchMikem · August 2016

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

I know this is a stamina skill. What would be a good magicka equivalent? Better yet, why isn't there a magicka morph of this skill?

Templar has several self heals.

DK has that weird one that turns you see through.

And Sorcs have Hardened Ward. You dont need a self heal when you have a giant damage shield.

Besides, if youre a magic NB then youre pretty much saving youre whole stamina bar just for vigor and no other skill.

Vaoh · August 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Stamina builds are meta in PvP right now because they are generally more powerful than Magicka builds.

Vigor may need to get a cost increase or heal decrease. With that said, there should never be a Magicka morph for this skill. Terrible for balance.

why in the epic hell should vigor be nerfed to accomodate ,agica players? magica was top dog for ages. Now stam finally gets a go at the spotlight (for who knows how long) and you want to nerf the only heal option stam users have.

amd ruin the heal for pve users as well.

gtho

I said may need to. Not must. LOL! Calm yourself

Stamina isn't meta just because of Vigor. There's a lot of stuff right now going on for Stamina (or againat Magicka) that makes it insanely effective and has created that imbalance. Anyone who plays Stam/Mag classes a lot can see that.

And tbh, a minor cost increase to Vigor would not even be bad. Practically doesn't have a cost right now.

Refuse2GrowUp · August 2016

Gotta love how everyone thinks this game is magicka vs stam. Now, I do not agree with the OP that Vigor should have magicka morphs. Simply, I am amused at how everyone always seems to defend their playstyle as if the others are trying to put their hands in their cookie jar. Don't recall this game ever being advertised as magicka vs stamina or visa versa.

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Stamina builds are meta in PvP right now because they are generally more powerful than Magicka builds.

Vigor may need to get a cost increase or heal decrease. With that said, there should never be a Magicka morph for this skill. Terrible for balance.

why in the epic hell should vigor be nerfed to accomodate ,agica players? magica was top dog for ages. Now stam finally gets a go at the spotlight (for who knows how long) and you want to nerf the only heal option stam users have.

amd ruin the heal for pve users as well.

gtho

I said may need to. Not must. LOL! Calm yourself

Stamina isn't meta just because of Vigor. There's a lot of stuff right now going on for Stamina (or againat Magicka) that makes it insanely effective and has created that imbalance. Anyone who plays Stam/Mag classes a lot can see that.

And tbh, a minor cost increase to Vigor would not even be bad. Practically doesn't have a cost right now.

vigor is the one thing that makes (and made) stamina playable at all. vigor already recieved a massive (bit needed ) nerf a while back. Everything was stacked toward magica for a very, very long time. honestly I'm glad to see it. but I do hope magica gets improved a bit.

Although, I am incredibly exhausted at all the whony magica classes co,plaining that they arent top dog becaise they cant jbeam/p=overload themselves into first place all the time now. I will vehemently agree that ,agica classes do need better weapon skills. Magica should still be top dog for ranged dps and to a fair extent single target dps.

who knows what the future holds, let's wait amd see before calling bloody nerf to everything that does not need a nerf >.<

SanSan · August 2016

Having a magicka morph of that skill would be stupid.
Magic people got restro staff.
You got shields and a heals. Shut up.

Vaoh · August 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Stamina builds are meta in PvP right now because they are generally more powerful than Magicka builds.

Vigor may need to get a cost increase or heal decrease. With that said, there should never be a Magicka morph for this skill. Terrible for balance.

why in the epic hell should vigor be nerfed to accomodate ,agica players? magica was top dog for ages. Now stam finally gets a go at the spotlight (for who knows how long) and you want to nerf the only heal option stam users have.

amd ruin the heal for pve users as well.

gtho

I said may need to. Not must. LOL! Calm yourself

Stamina isn't meta just because of Vigor. There's a lot of stuff right now going on for Stamina (or againat Magicka) that makes it insanely effective and has created that imbalance. Anyone who plays Stam/Mag classes a lot can see that.

And tbh, a minor cost increase to Vigor would not even be bad. Practically doesn't have a cost right now.

vigor is the one thing that makes (and made) stamina playable at all. vigor already recieved a massive (bit needed ) nerf a while back. Everything was stacked toward magica for a very, very long time. honestly I'm glad to see it. but I do hope magica gets improved a bit.

Although, I am incredibly exhausted at all the whony magica classes co,plaining that they arent top dog becaise they cant jbeam/p=overload themselves into first place all the time now. I will vehemently agree that ,agica classes do need better weapon skills. Magica should still be top dog for ranged dps and to a fair extent single target dps.

who knows what the future holds, let's wait amd see before calling bloody nerf to everything that does not need a nerf >.<

Agree! But I still think certain skills need some obvious balance changes. Not Vigor (and if it was up to me Echoing Vigor would get buffed a bit) but rather skills that negatively affect PvP.

Something like.... I don't know..... Radiant Destruction? If you're under 50% health and a zerger sticks this on you it's all over. Everything snaring you is a problem as well.

A big strength of Stamina comes from Shuffle. The mix of 20sec Major Evasion and 3.5sec snare immunity. I think most people can agree Shiffle shouldn't be so insanely effective.

Nifty2g · August 2016

Vigor for Magicka? Why would you want a 4 second heal when you have rapid regen

thankyourat · August 2016

Rapid regen is better than vigor I feel. The only problem I have is all magicka heals are hidden behind a restro staff with is basically a defensive weapon, and there is no reliable burst heal. It would be nice to have a burst heal from maybe a destro staff so we can go dual wield/destro kind of like 2 hand/bow for stamina. But vigor isn't really game breaking.

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Gotta love how everyone thinks this game is magicka vs stam. Now, I do not agree with the OP that Vigor should have magicka morphs. Simply, I am amused at how everyone always seems to defend their playstyle as if the others are trying to put their hands in their cookie jar. Don't recall this game ever being advertised as magicka vs stamina or visa versa.

This sounds like something a stamina player would say. I, as a magicka player, am your mortal enemy. We shall fight to the death at sunrise! HAVE AT THEE!

Actually, on second thought.... sunrise is usually when I go to bed. Can we re-schedule for a Thursday about mid-day? Or perhaps sometime works better for you? I'll have my people call your people.

BruhItsOver9000 · August 2016

No, actually maybe, na, actually you know what maybe, no, yes you can have vigor for magicka.

Actually, i changed my mind, nooooooooo.

boggie · August 2016

Nope. There's no magicka equivalent of vigor, which is why you only see healers running stamina builds.

Wait... no... that's not right...

Magicka is FLOODED with various healing options, which is why "stamina healer" isn't a thing. Like, seriously... have you NEVER looked at the various skill lines in this game?

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Stamina builds are meta in PvP right now because they are generally more powerful than Magicka builds.

Vigor may need to get a cost increase or heal decrease. With that said, there should never be a Magicka morph for this skill. Terrible for balance.

why in the epic hell should vigor be nerfed to accomodate ,agica players? magica was top dog for ages. Now stam finally gets a go at the spotlight (for who knows how long) and you want to nerf the only heal option stam users have.

amd ruin the heal for pve users as well.

gtho

I said may need to. Not must. LOL! Calm yourself

Stamina isn't meta just because of Vigor. There's a lot of stuff right now going on for Stamina (or againat Magicka) that makes it insanely effective and has created that imbalance. Anyone who plays Stam/Mag classes a lot can see that.

And tbh, a minor cost increase to Vigor would not even be bad. Practically doesn't have a cost right now.

vigor is the one thing that makes (and made) stamina playable at all. vigor already recieved a massive (bit needed ) nerf a while back. Everything was stacked toward magica for a very, very long time. honestly I'm glad to see it. but I do hope magica gets improved a bit.

Although, I am incredibly exhausted at all the whony magica classes co,plaining that they arent top dog becaise they cant jbeam/p=overload themselves into first place all the time now. I will vehemently agree that ,agica classes do need better weapon skills. Magica should still be top dog for ranged dps and to a fair extent single target dps.

who knows what the future holds, let's wait amd see before calling bloody nerf to everything that does not need a nerf >.<

Agree! But I still think certain skills need some obvious balance changes. Not Vigor (and if it was up to me Echoing Vigor would get buffed a bit) but rather skills that negatively affect PvP.

Something like.... I don't know..... Radiant Destruction? If you're under 50% health and a zerger sticks this on you it's all over. Everything snaring you is a problem as well.

A big strength of Stamina comes from Shuffle. The mix of 20sec Major Evasion and 3.5sec snare immunity. I think most people can agree Shiffle shouldn't be so insanely effective.

shuffle is way over the top. Not just for magica classes but even stam v. stam it's a giant pita. I think they just need to rework battle spirit so that it causes all skills to finction differently in pvp, rather than a flat damage buff. Then pve skills can be left the *** alone and pvpers can get whatever they want without ruining the game completely for everyone else.

no reason to just nerf anything. make a pve/pvp distinction between the skills.

tbh, shuffle is trash in pve. maybe buff it to 30-35%, and have battle spirit make it 10%, or 5% and gain stamina back for sucessfully dodged attacks. Actually, if this worked like that in pve then maybe bad players will have the reward system they need to stop gettinf themselves killed by avoidable damage xD