The amount of people using macros

JamieAubrey · August 2016

Can't name names but was just killed from an EP NB that crit rushed me and BOOM dead in 1 skill, oh but my death recap

Light Attack
Surprise Attack
Heavy Attack
Surprise Attack
Crit Rush

Now I saw him coming at me with the rush and I blocked it but was instantly killed, unless time stopped for me while he did 4 other attacks why are people still aloud to get away with using Macros ?

timidobserver · August 2016

Some people use macros yes, but they are not necessary to do a burst combo in PvP. Some skills, like crit rush and dragon leap, are extremely animation cancel friendly.

Hibbou · August 2016

I agree, this is starting to be a real pain in the lowest part of my back, and that s usually the people who will proudly T-bag you afterwards >_<

Kas · August 2016

to the best of my knowledge, no macro can circumvent the cooldown between 0-cast-time skills such as surprise attack. if you receive multiple of them at the same time, it's a lag/severlag/bug issue (or blatant cheating, very unlikely).
macros help those that are unable to properly la+skill+bash animation cancel or those looking to find the perfect sweet-spots to block cancel stuff like snipe (and for PvE players that cannot properly la+skill in pve) - not for quickly spamming skills like SA

L2Pissue · August 2016

many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down

vamp_emily · August 2016

last night I got hit 5 times in the same second ( no lag zone ) each hit dealing between 3-4k. Instant death.

That sure seemed like a Macro attack. I didn't even have time to respond to the attack so I looked at the damage report to see what hit me. All hits were in the same sec.

Lord_Wrath · August 2016

Fengrush has videos called macro slicing, sounds like this.

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

L2Pissue wrote: »

many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down

You can macro as many clicks as you want, there is still a GCD, you can light attack puncture bash in around 1 second with out a macro too if you get good.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

I like when people say they use macros but they don't give an advantage . If they didn't give an advantage , people wouldn't use them now would they ...

Armitas · August 2016

From what I understand you can queue up skills on a crit rush such that they land when you land, that would explain the heavy surprise attack part, but I don't know how you can queue up 2 weaves. Only way that would be possible is if there is a new print screen exploit (aka lag switch), or you are mistaken about the 1st LA/SS weave.

No macro can cause that on it's own, it can only assist an existing lag switch.

diskiukas · August 2016

LOL, again lets blame lag for this. BS, its' been forever and it's not caused by lag.

code65536 · August 2016

L2Pissue wrote: »

for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down

Give me an example of someone casting two abilities in under one second. You can't? Well, that's the global cooldown.

The cooldown governs ability casts. Core mechanics, like light attacks, blocks, etc., are not affected, as you have already pointed out. Though they have their own separate cooldowns. You can't get two bashes in under a second. You can't get two light attacks in under a second. You can only combo things that have separate cooldowns.

Armitas · August 2016

diskiukas wrote: »

LOL, again lets blame lag for this. BS, its' been forever and it's not caused by lag.

Not random lag, manually induced lag, which is what people were using in the past to BE in straight line without falling and to hit people with 5 surprise attacks in a second (forget the actual skill). Sometimes it's environmental lag and sometimes it's manually induced lag. Environmental lag, and manually induced lag is the only way I know of to circumvent GCDs. Macros have no ability to allow you to circumvent a GCD.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

code65536 wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down

Give me an example of someone casting two abilities in under one second. You can't? Well, that's the global cooldown.

The cooldown governs ability casts. Core mechanics, like light attacks, blocks, etc., are not affected, as you have already pointed out.

Actually macros with CE bypass the global cool down . I'd post a video someone showed but they removed it after being banned on the forums for doing it . It is possible though . A guild leader was recently banned for just such a thing .

Asmael · August 2016

Dum du dum...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1LEDmyIZk

Well, since you mention Crit rush, there's that magnificent animation bug (after they "fixed" it, but we both know what "fixing" means when Zos is involved) which causes all following attacks to queue and be released instantly, magnificent showcase of this "feature" in the video above.

No ETA tho.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

It's a mute point defending macros anyways . You're breaking the TOS using them . Whether you're in denial that they give and advantage or not . You can get banned for using and suspended for telling others it's ok to use them because you won't get caught . That happened to another guy that raged on other media .

code65536 · August 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Actually macros with CE bypass the global cool down . I'd post a video someone showed but they removed it after being banned on the forums for doing it . It is possible though . A guild leader was recently banned for just such a thing .

That's an entirely separate and unrelated issue, as that modifies the game's internal functionality. If all you're using is a macro (or superhuman finger acrobatics), you still cannot get more than two abilities, more than two light attacks, etc. within a second.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Actually macros with CE bypass the global cool down . I'd post a video someone showed but they removed it after being banned on the forums for doing it . It is possible though . A guild leader was recently banned for just such a thing .

That's an entirely separate and unrelated issue, as that modifies the game's internal functionality. If all you're using is a macro (or superhuman finger acrobatics), you still cannot get more than two abilities, more than two light attacks, etc. within a second.

It's two separate third party programs but third party programs are all against the rules . Avoid this new mass reporting thing guilds are doing in force to get action done . Don't use either .

Orchish · August 2016

Its probably the gap closer bug where all your skills go off at once. Another thing they broke when they changed gap closers

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

Orchish wrote: »

Its probably the gap closer bug where all your skills go off at once. Another thing they broke when they changed gap closers

There was also something like this with weapon swap after they did the latest animation updates. But I could not find a way to do it on purpose. Not sure if it is still there hasn't happened in awhile.

Zerok · August 2016

Macros only exist because of animation cancelling.

Either everyone should start using macros or either ZOS should remove animation cancelling. In the end, both solutions will even the playing field.

FENGRUSH · August 2016

Sounds like someone got macrosliced!

Asmael · August 2016

Zerok wrote: »

Macros only exist because of animation cancelling.

Either everyone should start using macros or either ZOS should remove animation cancelling. In the end, both solutions will even the playing field.

Since everything can be macro'd ingame, might as well delete the entire game. #Logic.

Nope, you don't change mechanic because of potential macro abuse, you just add a 3rd party or client-side keyboard input pattern detector.

For those who don't understand: a macro is a series of different keyboard inputs with specific timers. A "pattern" qualifies as a macro'd sequence of inputs. Say a macro presses 1, waits 0.01 second, presses 2, waits 0.01 seconds... all until it presses the "5" button, this is a pattern. It's impossible for a human person to repeat this exact sequence with those precise timers multiple times in a row (we're talking about sub 1% margin), thus if a pattern is detected, the person is very likely macro'ing.

HeroOfNone · August 2016

Need to do more research, but I believe there may be a desync issue with gap closers & teleports.

I started to notice folks crit rushing and have extremely fast wrecking blows, even faster than follow up wrecking blows through animation canceling. I then noticed when uding crit rush folks would take up to a second to react to my abilities, looking back at where I was. I notice the delay seem to be longer the further the gap closer goes. I also notice most of the "pro" players seem to start major damage chains by starting up with a gap closer, going as far as running/roll dodging back before begining.

These are all observations though, I need to get with some others to give a hard test on this.

Troneon · August 2016

Asmael wrote: »

Dum du dum...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1LEDmyIZk

Well, since you mention Crit rush, there's that magnificent animation bug (after they "fixed" it, but we both know what "fixing" means when Zos is involved) which causes all following attacks to queue and be released instantly, magnificent showcase of this "feature" in the video above.

No ETA tho.

And the ZOS defenders and fanbois come running to tell everyone it's not happening....pathetic lol

ku5h · August 2016

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Can't name names but was just killed from an EP NB that crit rushed me and BOOM dead in 1 skill, oh but my death recap

Light Attack
Surprise Attack
Heavy Attack
Surprise Attack
Crit Rush

Now I saw him coming at me with the rush and I blocked it but was instantly killed, unless time stopped for me while he did 4 other attacks why are people still aloud to get away with using Macros ?

Well, I might have an answer to this. You were abducted by aliens. It is known they can make you loose time. So, while this all happened you were in alien space ship getting you'r behind probed. You see, there are much more plausible answers then just blaming ppl for cheating.

CapuchinSeven · August 2016

Hibbou wrote: »

I agree, this is starting to be a real pain in the lowest part of my back, and that s usually the people who will proudly T-bag you afterwards >_<

This. I know it's easy to put people into pigeon holes but I have really noticed a huge number of players that are clearly macroing and then t-bagging.

Always seems (and I could be totally wrong here) to me like it's stamina attacks, either bow or 2hander where I'm alive and then I'm dead in a lag free second and my combat log shows a lot of hits that shouldn't have been that quick.

code65536 · August 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Actually macros with CE bypass the global cool down . I'd post a video someone showed but they removed it after being banned on the forums for doing it . It is possible though . A guild leader was recently banned for just such a thing .

That's an entirely separate and unrelated issue, as that modifies the game's internal functionality. If all you're using is a macro (or superhuman finger acrobatics), you still cannot get more than two abilities, more than two light attacks, etc. within a second.

It's two separate third party programs but third party programs are all against the rules . Avoid this new mass reporting thing guilds are doing in force to get action done . Don't use either .

One makes it much easier for a player do things that are already possible with good "finger acrobatics" but does not allow them to do the impossible. This would be like doping in sports.

The other changes the game's code to turn something that is outright impossible into something that is possible. This would be like bribing scorekeepers and referees so they always award you points and not your opponents.

They are quite separate and operate on entirely different levels.

Stravokov · August 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sounds like someone got macrosliced!

Speak of the devil.

I've experienced it as well, the instant kill with the mysterious 5 attacks behind it. ZOS programming is so inconsistent, who knows what the cause is anymore.

Dredlord · August 2016

L2Pissue wrote: »

many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down

Agreed

Its funny to see the macroers come defend macroing with arguments like "you can do it without macros too" so macros are fine...

I see *** like the op describes all the time on pc, and NEVER on console.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Actually macros with CE bypass the global cool down . I'd post a video someone showed but they removed it after being banned on the forums for doing it . It is possible though . A guild leader was recently banned for just such a thing .

That's an entirely separate and unrelated issue, as that modifies the game's internal functionality. If all you're using is a macro (or superhuman finger acrobatics), you still cannot get more than two abilities, more than two light attacks, etc. within a second.

It's two separate third party programs but third party programs are all against the rules . Avoid this new mass reporting thing guilds are doing in force to get action done . Don't use either .

One makes it much easier for a player do things that are already possible with good "finger acrobatics" but does not allow them to do the impossible. This would be like doping in sports.

The other changes the game's code to turn something that is outright impossible into something that is possible. This would be like bribing scorekeepers and referees so they always award you points and not your opponents.

They are quite separate and operate on entirely different levels.

So do you use macros or something ?

I know exactly what macros do . On a couple MMOs they are allowed . They do produce lag on those games when too many are using them . I've written full Afk macros for farming mats in SWG in the day . I've used them to Afk defend bases . I'm well aware of what a macro can and cannot do . I don't defend thier use here because the do give an advantage . Clearly ZOS agrees . If it didn't give an advantage there would be no point in running them .