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Stats Nerfed?
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭My Altmer sorc had 1998 mag recovery before this patch and now has 1343.....
ZOS, you guys are fkn amazing!
I'm beginning to think that making a cup of coffee may be beyond your capabilities.
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Asayre✭✭✭✭✭
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Something changed I think. I suspect the 4% from Grace Of The Ancients is not applying to Mage mundus as my magicka is ~60 points lower than expected.
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I'm not at home so I cant check my exact numbers.
Sorry, I don't have that set so I can't test itReference for any calculation I make Introduction to PvE Damage Calculation0 -
Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭For anyone who reads the PTS notes this isn't new. There are posts in there talking about the reduction going down.
Also, for the races where they made changes to the passives, they did reset some skill points on those so take a look at those as well. Maybe that's where the really big differences are from.Edited by Robbmrp on August 2, 2016 2:24PMNA Server - Kildair0 -
Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doncellius wrote: »From the newest patch notes (2.5.5):
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).
This seems rather important, especially to just apply without testing on PTS and pushing to Live.
I have questions on how it will affect many different builds that no one could've tested. Won't this cause Emperors to have much lower stats too? I don't know.... this change simply stood out to me.
Any thoughts on how it will change things, for better or worse?
Checked on all my toons, I lost a tiny bit of regen on a few, and a bit of magicka on my nb (which used to have 45k, lol). This post is inflating a non-issue really, as it is likely you will not notice this what so ever.
You most definitely can notice 100~200 regen. It's already been a struggle dealing with the cost increases from DB. This is compounding the issue.
Let me enlighten you. PvE is *** easymode. YOU will not notice this because you run scripted fights VS AI. Go home you're drunk.
Edited by Xeven on August 2, 2016 2:31PM6 -
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭ZOS, do us and yourselves a favor and double check what ever you did to magicka regen.
How is it possible that my breton magicka templar using all the same gear as my altmer sorc has more regen?
Another thing I might add is when I respawned just recently in Cyrodiil and checked my character sheet I had 2538 magicka regen, then I ran out of the keep and checked it again. It was 1434, so what's with this fluctuating numbers?
You guys need to look into this!NA/PC0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah, @ZOS_GinaBruno we would appreciate the specifics of this change? We then maybe will be able to understand what's happening.
If you take the time to reply to this and share the knowledge I'm sure it will be appreciated by all of us here.0 -
Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭My Altmer sorc had 1998 mag recovery before this patch and now has 1343.....
ZOS, you guys are fkn amazing!
I'm beginning to think that making a cup of coffee may be beyond your capabilities.
With only the known change to magicka recovery this amount of loss is not possible so there has to be something else involved in the loss. Make sure your character stats are updated correctly by getting naked, log out and back in, and re-equip everything (this sometimes fixes UI issues).
If you still seem to have an issue you can post your complete build information and we can see where the problem lies. Chances are you just forgot your drink or a piece of armor is broken or something simple like that.Reorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
Founder/Admin of www.uesp.net -- UESP ESO Guilds
Creator of the "Best" ESO Build Editor
I'm on a quest to build the world's toughest USB drive!1 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭I double checked my cp points and racial passives to make sure I wasn't missing something. I will try to unequip gear and religious and see if it makes a difference.NA/PC0
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Grawlog✭✭I lost 130 Stam regeneration. Magicka isn't the only build affected by this fix. Put your tin foil conspiracy magicka nerf hats away.4 -
Mush55✭✭✭✭Doncellius wrote: »From the newest patch notes (2.5.5):
Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).
This seems rather important, especially to just apply without testing on PTS and pushing to Live.
I have questions on how it will affect many different builds that no one could've tested. Won't this cause Emperors to have much lower stats too? I don't know.... this change simply stood out to me.
Any thoughts on how it will change things, for better or worse?
Checked on all my toons, I lost a tiny bit of regen on a few, and a bit of magicka on my nb (which used to have 45k, lol). This post is inflating a non-issue really, as it is likely you will not notice this what so ever.
You most definitely can notice 100~200 regen. It's already been a struggle dealing with the cost increases from DB. This is compounding the issue.
Let me enlighten you. PvE is *** easymode.
Is that why they have to nerf vet ICP AND WGT and still people moan and can't complete them .
Easy depends upon the player doing the content.......0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭Damn......Lmao. I switched mundus from atro to mage......I need to go to bed Lmao.
Sorry for the false alarm. Just an idiot
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Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭Damn......Lmao. I switched mundus from atro to mage......I need to go to bed Lmao.
Sorry for the false alarm. Just an idiot
Ha! No worries...I spent an hour one time trying to debug a spell cost issue on my character only to finally figure out it was just a Templar passive I had forgot about.Reorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
Founder/Admin of www.uesp.net -- UESP ESO Guilds
Creator of the "Best" ESO Build Editor
I'm on a quest to build the world's toughest USB drive!0 -
Wollust✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭At first I was kinda pissed about losing regen, but after thinking about it I kinda like the change.
We have too much sustain and too much damage anyway. This game should be about resource management. Which we don't really have enough due to the massive power CPs give.Susano'o
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭OK with the atro again active I have 1867 mag regen now vs 1998 pre patch so not as bad as I thought lmao
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Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I didnt read all comments. What about the multiplicative weapon damage. Is it fixed too?Because I can!2 -
Flaminir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I fear we may see a few more things get 'fixed', or suddenly branded as 'not working as intended' to make nerfs sound more palatable as they increase the CP cap...
We all know how horribly broken the game would be if you spend the full allocation of CP....
As we all say 'Raise the CP cap' to them, they somehow have to find a way of balancing this power creep as they do this to avoid the inevitable broken mess otherwise.
Without a full on rebalance of the game, I suspect there may be a few other changes like this one to try and keep the CP power creep in check.GM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP1 -
Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭I fear we may see a few more things get 'fixed', or suddenly branded as 'not working as intended' to make nerfs sound more palatable as they increase the CP cap...
We all know how horribly broken the game would be if you spend the full allocation of CP....
As we all say 'Raise the CP cap' to them, they somehow have to find a way of balancing this power creep as they do this to avoid the inevitable broken mess otherwise.
Without a full on rebalance of the game, I suspect there may be a few other changes like this one to try and keep the CP power creep in check.
There is no *** power creep. When they added CP, they took a bunch away and put it in the Champion System. In DB costs went up. In Hist, regen and max stats went down. We're spinning our wheels.4 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Anyone want to test all infused vs all divines for me? Pretty please with moon sugar on top?0 -
Flaminir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I fear we may see a few more things get 'fixed', or suddenly branded as 'not working as intended' to make nerfs sound more palatable as they increase the CP cap...
We all know how horribly broken the game would be if you spend the full allocation of CP....
As we all say 'Raise the CP cap' to them, they somehow have to find a way of balancing this power creep as they do this to avoid the inevitable broken mess otherwise.
Without a full on rebalance of the game, I suspect there may be a few other changes like this one to try and keep the CP power creep in check.
There is no *** power creep. When they added CP, they took a bunch away and put it in the Champion System. In DB costs went up. In Hist, regen and max stats went down. We're spinning our wheels.
There is power creep.... its inherently built into the system...
As they increase the gear level.... as they increase the spendable CP... etc.... its s fundamental part of the game that we will get stronger via these systems... systems which we the players are clammoring to have increased (Particularly CP able to be spent).
Costs going up in DB was another of the random changes (Like the one this patch) to try and balance out the increase in strength & CONTROL that power creep... in this case from the extra 30CP.
I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing... just pointing out that there is no such thing as a free lunch. If we gain via CP we are going to have something else 'changed/fixed/re balanced to compensate....
Which leads to the conclusion that gaining CP as a means to see character progression is nothing more than a carefully managed illusion designed to keep players interest and feel like they are getting somewhere... .when we are actually just on a hamster wheel.GM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP4 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They need to keep doing stuff like this because of the power creep brought on by the crap CP system.
No foresight, only reactionary "balancing".
Edited by Sallington on August 2, 2016 3:48PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Vythri✭✭✭✭For anyone who reads the PTS notes this isn't new. There are posts in there talking about the reduction going down.
Also, for the races where they made changes to the passives, they did reset some skill points on those so take a look at those as well. Maybe that's where the really big differences are from.
As if them putting this info on the PTS forum even matters in the first place. ZOS does what ZOS does. More often than not, nothing anybody else says can change it.0
