Stats Nerfed?

Vaoh

From the newest patch notes (2.5.5):

Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

This seems rather important, especially to just apply without testing on PTS and pushing to Live.

I have questions on how it will affect many different builds that no one could've tested. Won't this cause Emperors to have much lower stats too? I don't know.... this change simply stood out to me.

Any thoughts on how it will change things, for better or worse?

Mustard

This is the new ZOS soft caps and first phase!

@Sypher

ShalidorsHeir

Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down)

EölMPK

Seems right, didnt?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

It is rather amusing that a nerf, that people would obviously not like, didnt make it to the test realm. And on a test realm where 2 brand new dungeons were being tested for feel. Which lowered damage would certainly affect.

But until i know how much it is, it is hard to care to much about.

Junkogen

Mustard wrote: »

This is the new ZOS soft caps and first phase!

@Sypher

They're bringing back soft caps?

Anhedonie

Goodbye jewelry damage glyphs.
Unless zos buffs certain classes, there will be bigger gap in balance.

UltimaJoe777

Why is everyone calling it a nerf? It's a bug fix. People were actually stronger than intended is all. I'd honestly wondered why my Magicka DPS had so much more Magicka than my Stamina DPS had Stamina...

Asayre

Is anyone on the Live game that can provide complete details of their stats? This would include

• Stat distribution
• CP distribution
• All relevant stats

A quick check of how severe the change is can be gained from a magicka DPS with no points in stamina and not using TBS or any other sets that give a stamina bonus. Under the old formula, your max stamina before the patch would have been 9950. In the current patch (again with the old formula) your max stamina will be 100001. The increase of 51 stamina is due to the CP cap increase.

ixie

I've lost 119 magicka recovery

stats before patch


stats after patch

Vaoh

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Why is everyone calling it a nerf? It's a bug fix. People were actually stronger than intended is all. I'd honestly wondered why my Magicka DPS had so much more Magicka than my Stamina DPS had Stamina...

From first glance, I don't know what to expect. It is a big, sudden change. Why they didn't try it on PTS first makes no sense.

All stats were affected as well, not just Magicka stats

khele23eb17_ESO

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Why is everyone calling it a nerf? It's a bug fix. People were actually stronger than intended is all. I'd honestly wondered why my Magicka DPS had so much more Magicka than my Stamina DPS had Stamina...

But you werent wondering why your stamina dps skills were so much cheaper than magicka dps skills?

Also, this will affect both stam and mag.

Nifty2g

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Why is everyone calling it a nerf? It's a bug fix. People were actually stronger than intended is all. I'd honestly wondered why my Magicka DPS had so much more Magicka than my Stamina DPS had Stamina...

Because Magicka right now is in a horrible state, and Stamina is just getting more and more in front.

Vaoh

tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »

I've lost 119 magicka recovery

stats before patch


stats after patch

That doesn't make sense.

Did the CP cap increase not affect max stats?

ixie

Doncellius wrote: »

That doesn't make sense.

Did the CP cap increase not affect max stats?

Oh I probably should have mentioned I'm only CP 487

UltimaJoe777

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Why is everyone calling it a nerf? It's a bug fix. People were actually stronger than intended is all. I'd honestly wondered why my Magicka DPS had so much more Magicka than my Stamina DPS had Stamina...

But you werent wondering why your stamina dps skills were so much cheaper than magicka dps skills?

Also, this will affect both stam and mag.

There are some Stamina skills that are questionably pricy, such as Circle of Protection.

Paraflex

Off the top of my head there are Racial Passives and Champion Points are two main ways to achieve percentage bonuses. This is a good thing because CP players already had an advantage. This was just one more way they had an even greater edge. They also watered down racial passive gaps now because of this.This is across the board type of adjustment and I feel this is fine.

Sure some builds will need to adjust.

Dracane

Shouldn't your magicka be lower as well? @tribbsb16_ESO
But loosing that much magicka regen is HUGE ! This is such an evil change and they try to ninja it into the game when it goes live.

I wonder how many k Magicka I will loose due to that.
I wouldn't call this a bug fix. If percentages used to be multiplicative, then that's how it is. That's not wrong at all, because that's just how it is. Making them additive is a nerf, not a bug fix.

Makkir

Some of the racial passives were reset. Check to see if any of yours are reset to zero.

Paraflex

Races like High Elf Vampires took a huge hit here...

Dracane

Makkir wrote: »

Some of the racial passives were reset. Check to see if any of yours are reset to zero.

He is a Breton, he has no magicka regen racial. The nerf is real, there is no denying.

ScruffyWhiskers

Just logged on here to see my new stats. LOL. Magicka recovery is down about 100 points 1700 ish to 1600 ish. Don't think the "fix" changed stam recovery as it is still 775.

Magicka is down 800 or so. Stam seems to be the same but I'm not 100% sure since I don't focus on it like I do magicka.

Paraflex

Do we know if this changes Healing done? Healing Received? Reduced costs of abilities stam/mag? It would be nice for clarification

@ZOS_GinaBruno

cpuScientist

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Why is everyone calling it a nerf? It's a bug fix. People were actually stronger than intended is all. I'd honestly wondered why my Magicka DPS had so much more Magicka than my Stamina DPS had Stamina...

But you werent wondering why your stamina dps skills were so much cheaper than magicka dps skills?

Also, this will affect both stam and mag.

There are some Stamina skills that are questionably pricy, such as Circle of Protection.

Stamina skills in class and in weapons are quite low cost. That's how they chose to balance it. Magic users get max magicka, stamina users get cheaper costs and more weapon damage.

Makkir

Dracane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Some of the racial passives were reset. Check to see if any of yours are reset to zero.

He is a Breton, he has no magicka regen racial. The nerf is real, there is no denying.

Yeah I know. I edited my post after seeing that just in case. I know some racial passives were reset.

They did that so all sorcs would pay to racial change to Altmer

Dracane

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Just logged on here to see my new stats. LOL. Magicka recovery is down about 100 points 1700 ish to 1600 ish. Don't think the "fix" changed stam recovery as it is still 775.

Magicka is down 800 or so. Stam seems to be the same but I'm not 100% sure since I don't focus on it like I do magicka.

Niiiice. So only a magicka related nerf. As if Magicka could take even more hits.

Dracane

Makkir wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Some of the racial passives were reset. Check to see if any of yours are reset to zero.

He is a Breton, he has no magicka regen racial. The nerf is real, there is no denying.

Yeah I know. I edited my post after seeing that just in case. I know some racial passives were reset.

They did that so all sorcs would pay to racial change to Altmer

Why would you choose Altmer now ? Altmer is the only race that was nerfed with this change (as only magicka was nerfed, not stam)

The Magicka regen from Altmer just lost value, and cost reduction gained value.

makreth

Dracane wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Just logged on here to see my new stats. LOL. Magicka recovery is down about 100 points 1700 ish to 1600 ish. Don't think the "fix" changed stam recovery as it is still 775.

Magicka is down 800 or so. Stam seems to be the same but I'm not 100% sure since I don't focus on it like I do magicka.

Niiiice. So only a magicka related nerf. As if Magicka could take even more hits.

cant you comprehend the situation before making asumptions...? He's not stamina focused meaning he's probably a magicka focused RACE with magicka percentage racial bonuses and low or none stamina percentage racial bonuses. The changes affect percentages accumulated from more than one source, from multiplicative to additive.

Got it?

Van_0S

tribbsb16_ESO wrote: »

I've lost 119 magicka recovery

stats before patch


stats after patch

Magicka regen has got a nerf !
It seems stamina is for the win this year !
Might as well reroll a stamina.

waterfairy

The way I read it is they're fixing an unintended effect where percentages would multiply instead of add.

makreth

Vigarr wrote: »

The way I read it is they're fixing an unintended effect where percentages would multiply instead of add.

The real question is does this affect every possible stat? +Spell dmg , +Weapon dmg etc ? I can only assume so before more reports arrive.