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Asata
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It has successfully made me question everything that I've been doing with my life for the past month and a half.

My main is an Altmer Magicka DK. When I made it (having read outdated guides strewn across the net), I went into it believing it was the best DD in the game. Turns out upon reading the forum, it's the worst class in the game. Thanks downtime.

My newest character is a Redguard Stamplar, ~44-ish. Turns out, they're the worst stam DPS, the very worst. Thanks downtime.

Also upon reading this gem of a thread I have reflected upon the realization that both vampires and werewolves suck in pretty much every situation imagionable, and I'm the leader of a Vampire/Werewolf guild. Thanks downtime.

What am I doing with my life....?

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  • Voxicity
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    Asata wrote: »
    both vampires and werewolves suck in pretty much every situation imagionable

    I disagree. In my experience Mist Form gives Magicka Templars and DKs much needed mobility which they don't get from class skills.

  • SanSan
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    Someone needs their daily dose of ESO fix.
  • Daemons_Bane
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    It has successfully made me question everything that I've been doing with my life for the past month and a half.

    If that was all it took, maybe it was due anyway
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Ok cranky pants . Vampires and Werewolves are fine power wise . Mist form needs fixing from snares but that's about it .
  • stevepdodson_ESO888
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    when you said you were questioning everything that you have been doing with your life for a month and a half...nothing you came up with suggested you could actually be doing something useful, like helping people...let's face it all you have been doing is playing a game
  • Daemons_Bane
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    To support @Rohamad_Ali, WW is great too :smile: Nothing is as fun as running around as a mini wood elf ranger and then going furry fury mode when something gets close
  • Asata
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    when you said you were questioning everything that you have been doing with your life for a month and a half...nothing you came up with suggested you could actually be doing something useful, like helping people...let's face it all you have been doing is playing a game

    Helping people? Now you're just talking crazy.
  • jedtb16_ESO
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    when you said you were questioning everything that you have been doing with your life for a month and a half...nothing you came up with suggested you could actually be doing something useful, like helping people...let's face it all you have been doing is playing a game

    harsh.....but fair.
  • Zerok
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    Who cares about the meta.

    Just play how you want to. Only players with a lot of playtime can afford to follow the meta.
    Zeerok (the sneaky ruffian) - LV50 Bosmer stamblade DPS (AD)
    Gontrand de Bourbon (the greedy aristocrat) - LV50 Breton magsorc tank (DC)
    Augustus Aquilarios (the imperial claimant) - LV50 Imperial stamDK PvP (EP)
    Zeerokk (the AD zealot) - LV50 Altmer magblade PvP (AD)
    Lianna Storm (the inferno maiden) - LV50 Dunmer magDK DPS (EP)
    Fights-With-Khajiit (the gullible faithful) - LV5 Argonian templar (EP)
    Miner'va (the skooma addict) - LV3 Khajiit sorcerer (AD) - chaotic neutral
    Siggy Thorvaldsson (the charismatic baroness) - LV50 Nord stamwarden tank (DC)
  • C0wrex
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    Vampires are awesome! :)

    "We are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will, to strive, to seek and not to yield."

    -Tennyson, Ulysses
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Asata wrote: »
    when you said you were questioning everything that you have been doing with your life for a month and a half...nothing you came up with suggested you could actually be doing something useful, like helping people...let's face it all you have been doing is playing a game

    Helping people? Now you're just talking crazy.

    Long maintenance times lead to temporary insanity . As one of the people in your guild just know I'm here to help . Feelings of uncertainty , nausea , doom & gloom will pass shortly after the UPDATE bottom reappears on your launcher . In the meantime get plenty of rest , hide from the sun and watch a Vampire or Werewolf movie on Netflix . If symptoms worsening avoid the forums at all costs and breath into a brown paper sack .
  • Asata
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    My plans were originally to potentially transition my Stamplar to being my new main (I really enjoy playing her) but with the revelations of the downtime I think I'll just get her into CP and scrap that idea. I'll move right onto a magplar. Imperial, probably. Then a Bosmer NB after that.
    Asata wrote: »
    when you said you were questioning everything that you have been doing with your life for a month and a half...nothing you came up with suggested you could actually be doing something useful, like helping people...let's face it all you have been doing is playing a game

    Helping people? Now you're just talking crazy.

    Long maintenance times lead to temporary insanity . As one of the people in your guild just know I'm here to help . Feelings of uncertainty , nausea , doom & gloom will pass shortly after the UPDATE bottom reappears on your launcher . In the meantime get plenty of rest , hide from the sun and watch a Vampire or Werewolf movie on Netflix . If symptoms worsening avoid the forums at all costs and breath into a brown paper sack .

    Watching a Vampire/Werewolf movie is actually a pretty good idea. Underworld was the first movie I ever actually went out and bought. Back then there were video rental stores and I rented it on a whim and ended up watching it 42 times before returning it. I had every line memorized. The sequels aren't great, but the original is pretty good. The 5th installment is coming out Oct 21 2016.
  • UltimaJoe777
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    Zerok wrote: »
    Who cares about the meta.

    Just play how you want to. Only players with a lot of playtime can afford to follow the meta.

    I have a lot of play time, but I do not support nor follow the meta.
    Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
    Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy
  • Lokryn
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    Asata wrote: »
    My plans were originally to potentially transition my Stamplar to being my new main (I really enjoy playing her) but with the revelations of the downtime I think I'll just get her into CP and scrap that idea. I'll move right onto a magplar. Imperial, probably. Then a Bosmer NB after that.
    Asata wrote: »
    when you said you were questioning everything that you have been doing with your life for a month and a half...nothing you came up with suggested you could actually be doing something useful, like helping people...let's face it all you have been doing is playing a game

    Helping people? Now you're just talking crazy.

    Long maintenance times lead to temporary insanity . As one of the people in your guild just know I'm here to help . Feelings of uncertainty , nausea , doom & gloom will pass shortly after the UPDATE bottom reappears on your launcher . In the meantime get plenty of rest , hide from the sun and watch a Vampire or Werewolf movie on Netflix . If symptoms worsening avoid the forums at all costs and breath into a brown paper sack .

    Watching a Vampire/Werewolf movie is actually a pretty good idea. Underworld was the first movie I ever actually went out and bought. Back then there were video rental stores and I rented it on a whim and ended up watching it 42 times before returning it. I had every line memorized. The sequels aren't great, but the original is pretty good. The 5th installment is coming out Oct 21 2016.

    Alcast has a good Stamplar build that might interest you. It's a new Jabsmania build. http://alcasthq.com/jabsmania/
  • Acrolas
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    You can still win the forum endgame if you step up your Ja'Khajiit build.

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    signing off
  • I_killed_Vivec
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    I find that the worst thing about enforced downtime is that I come here to find when it's back up, only to get absorbed by posts giving me ideas of what I might try out with my characters... and get frustrated because the server is down so I can't :(
  • RazielSR
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    Sorry but redguard stamplar is not a bad build at all. WTH are you saying? Plus you are linking an outdated info in your first link.
  • NyPetiwowp
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    Believe me, the top magicka and separated from it: stamina DPSes are really close to each other! There is like a 10-15k+ dps difference between magicka and stam builds in PvE right now, but an average good magicka build does like 30-40k+ DPS, while a stam guy does 40-50k+ DPS on single target (I have 10 chars and played all classes stam/magicka dps).

    What you have to understand is that: you don't become a good damage dealer because you have the perfect race which provides small % bonuses; you became a good damage dealer if you learn your dps rotation flawlessly and even capable of pressing your keyboard & mouse blindly with perfect animation cancelling. (Kind of hard since ZOS changed how the animations work last patch, sadly; I demand the old ones back)

    You say you have an altmer magicka DK, you may loose 2-3% DPS compared to dark elf which is the best for a magicka DK now.
    Asata wrote: »
    I'll move right onto a magplar. Imperial, probably. Then a Bosmer NB after that.
    If you want to play MAGICKA templar, DO NOT choose a STAMINA race(Imperial lol).
    Wood elf NB is good primarily for PvP, if you wanna PvP and PvE with it, choose: Redguard, if only PvE: (Some people might say it's the best dps race for stam PvE, I think Redguard is just as close) Khajiit.
  • baratron
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    A person's first character in any game is the one they make mistakes on and learn from. Honestly, the main problem with your main is that they're an Altmer. Dunmers do much better as Magicka DKs because of their Flame damage passive (I'd say soon to become a boost to all three elemental skills, but we don't know for sure if the PTS racial changes will all show up in Live), and much better as vampires because of their Fire resistance.

    If you happen to have any spare Crowns, you could buy that character a race change to Dunmer (and name change, if necessary) and continue in the DPS role. This would, however, also depend on you owning the Any Alliance, Any Race pack to be able to switch from an Aldmeri Dominion race to an Ebonheart Pact race.

    Alternatively, you could respec to a Stamina race. If you're limited to Aldmeri Dominion races, that would mean Khajiit or Bosmer, and switching from vampire to werewolf. Stamina DKs aren't bad for damage dealing, and are awesome for Tanking. Again, you'd have to check the new racial passives once the Patch Notes are up, but I'm fairly sure Khajiit Tanks are going to be a thing from now on.

    If you can't afford a race change token, you could create a new character. It means "losing" any Achievements you have on that character, but if you've only been playing a month and a half, you probably don't have too many of the tedious Achievements like the various Monster Hunter and Fishing Achievements.

    If you are really attached to your Altmer Magicka DK, then consider a role change to Healer. I have a Nord Magicka DK (terrible combination if you know anything about racial passives) who is amazingly fun to play as a Healer in combination with the Trinimac's Valor set. He has 5 pieces of Trinimac's Valor plus 5 pieces of Kagrenac's Hope plus 1 piece of Molag Kena, with Max Magicka glyphs on everything and specced for the best possible Reduce Magicka Cost and Magicka Recovery that's possible with my Champion Points. I imagine this would work even better on an Altmer who benefit from an increased Magicka pool to begin with.

    Or you could say "screw the flavour of the month", and just carry on as an Altmer Magicka DK, like my friend who plays a Khajiit Magicka Sorcerer. Or me, who plays an Imperial Magicka Sorcerer for roleplaying reasons. (That character is an Imperial. End of.) Min-maxing is a thing for those who want to be THE VERY BEST and be able to grind Veteran Maelstrom Arena and do Hard Mode of Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj with 11 other amazing players. If the best you think you'll ever be able to do is the Veteran Dungeons and Normal Trials, then your racial passives are really not that important. Understanding your class and using the best 10 + 2 skills available to you, and putting your Champion Points in the right places, are more important than having the "perfect" race.
    Guildmaster of the UESP Guild on the North American PC/Mac Server 2350+ CP & also found on the European PC/Mac Server 1700+ CP

    These characters are on both servers:
    Alix de Feu - Breton Templar Healer level 50
    Brings-His-Own-Forest - Argonian Warden Healer level 50
    Hrodulf Bearpaw - Nord Warden Bear Friend & identical twin of Bjornolfr level 50
    Jadisa al-Belkarth - Redguard Arcanist Damage Dealer level 50

    NA-only characters:
    Martin Draconis - Imperial Sorceror Healer (Aldmeri Dominion) level 50
    Arzhela Petit - Breton Dragonknight Healer (Daggerfall Covenant) level 50
    Bjornolfr Steel-Shaper - Nord Dragonknight Crafter (Ebonheart Pact) level 50 EAGERLY AWAITING HIS BEAR
    Verandis Bloodraven - Altmer Nightblade Healer & clone of Count Verandis Ravenwatch (Aldmeri Dominion) level 50
    Gethin Oakrun - Bosmer Nightblade Thief (Ebonheart Pact) level 50
  • Ghost-Shot
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    Your stamplar is OP, your main bar literally has 2 buttons you actually use and you can do like 40k in a raid. I guess 3 buttons cause dawnbreaker
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    Asata wrote: »
    Turns out upon reading the forum, it's the worst class in the game.

    I have two thoughts here.

    First, why are you trusting the same group of people who can't even figure out game mechanics, half the time, crying about how the sky is falling?

    Second, you're looking at the beefiest class in the game, and honestly complaining that you can't outperform the glass cannons?

    Okay, so, simple explanation.

    Dragon Knights: Somewhere between tough to kill and practically immortal. DPS isn't fantastic.

    Templars: Somewhere between highly durable, and tough to kill. DPS isn't fantastic, but can heal through abuse.

    Nightblades: Tissue paper. Can kill a god from stealth with their DPS, and still have time to teleport strike you into a new zip code.

    Sorcs: Slightly beefy. Hilarious DPS, but way more AoE and crowd control options.

    And you're surprised that your DK isn't going to outperform a class that can increase its spell and weapon damage for every slotted class ability, and can buy a flat cost discount to every ability in the game? Really?
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    KaiVox22 wrote: »
    Asata wrote: »
    both vampires and werewolves suck in pretty much every situation imagionable

    I disagree. In my experience Mist Form gives Magicka Templars and DKs much needed mobility which they don't get from class skills.

    Also, as it stands, right now, you can actually turn off vampirism, and werewolves without a slotted ultimate are basically normal characters for endgame content. So it's not like you're getting horrifically punished for either.

    This is before you remember that vampires are very competitive in the right builds, and werewolves can be a lot of fun to play.
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