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Would you buy a new character at lv 50 for...........
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Mady✭✭✭✭✭5k crowns? You can level to 50 in 5h for less crowns + awesome loot, that makes you rich (IC)
Edit: If the game would be 5 years old and the level cap would be 100. Then maybe yes, but only a level 50 character, not max level.Edited by Mady on July 30, 2016 9:39AMDiscord HypeSquad MemberOfficial AlcastHQ Discord Server: discord.gg/alcasthq
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TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭If this ever happened these characters should be made to wear a tabard with "£" on it (sorry no dollar sign on my phone).
They would be an artificial creation amongst your line up of hand-created alts which went through all those stories to get to 50.1 -
helediron✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have just leveled up several new alts to 50. It takes 24..30 hours of playtime through quest areas. I have training gear but not using xp pots. I have to avoid nearly all quests to prevent overleveling. I end up with 100..120 skill points.
Levels don't mean so much any more, so buying or not a level 50 isn't that important. I agree with OP it's merely convenience. For me it would be just wasted money. The main motivation to go through the quest areas is skill points, and level 50 just comes along.On hiatus. PC,EU,AD - crafting completionist - @helediron 900+ cp, @helestor 1000+ cp, @helestar 800+ cp, @helester 700+ cp - Dragonborn Z Suomikilta, Harrods, Master Crafter. - Blog - Crafthouse: all stations, all munduses, all dummies, open to everyone1 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭It's not pay2win. It's just terribly.... cheap.
Not to mention that LFG would be a real nightmare if you were running dungeons with PUGs that quite literally had no idea what their class did.4 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I voted NO, simply because the fun part of the game is to see my characters progress - even it might be slow, that is the fun part of the game for me - once they will be at max, I will loose interest pretty quickly.0 -
phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭Got to laugh at the drama queens in here. It's not paying to win given that you can get there in a few days.
No kidding. Not something worth spending crowns on in my book but some people react to it like they saw someone kick a puppy. Around $40 for a gimped character with no skills leveled, lol. A fool and their money are soon parted,2 -
EZgoin76✭✭✭✭Not going to argue the semantics of p2w with anyone because the true definition is vague at best.
Player A: has a level 50, 501 cp character and decides to roll a new character and doesn't have the cash to buy a level 50 character.
Player B: has a level 50, 501 cp character and decides to roll a new character and pays for a fresh level 50 character. Still has to level skills, ect, but player B is already way ahead of player A.
Some may see this as convenience but I'm not one of them.Edited by EZgoin76 on July 30, 2016 10:41AMI want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.1 -
logosloki✭✭✭I don't believe that the game is long enough to warrant a level 50 instabuy. I managed to get to level 50 before finishing Reaper's March and I figure that most people who do a daily dungeon every day whilst leveling and do every or near every quest in a zone will be near 50 hitting Cold Harbour (I had the benefit of a crown scroll and the 10% bonus from subscription, Dropped the crown scroll just as I was finishing the daily dungeon that would take me to 45 and the group that was with were totally cool and let me go and get the undaunted daily then we went out on another dungeon after the daily, soooo much xp). Maybe if they added more full zones to the base game. Certainly I think though there should be a toggleable xp bonus based on your highest Champion Point level for 1-50 so that people who are playing alts can choose between blitzing an alt up or taking cruising through other other faction's content at level rather than at a higher level.1 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To a certain extent ZoS have already done this for free.
If it's you second char and you have one at level 50 already with CP then those CP can be applied to your new character. So you have CP, now go to Wrothgar, and you'll be battle-levelled to (what used to be) VR15. The only difference is that you can't use corresponding gear.
However, even if you are allowed to buy a brand new, shiny level 50 with a certain number of skill points thrown in, you will still have to level up skills. This is arguably as much work (maybe even more) than levelling up to level 50. Then there's the guilds, even more work if you want anything they offer. You'd also want a lod more skill points, so you'd have to go searching for them...
All in all I expect that you'd do as much work to make your bought character viable as you would taking a new one from scratch to level 50, particularly if you've already done this and so have the benefit of CP.
By the way, if ZoS are charging 1000 for a haircut then I imagine selecting a new character's class, race, and features and loading up with level 50 and a bunch of skill points will cost considerably more than 5000 crowns!1 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A lvl 50 char with 64 skillpoints that you have no clue how to use, how could that be considered ptw? It's "pay to get their arse handed to them" more than anything else.
That said, making that available is a very solid no-go for me.Edited by Leandor on July 30, 2016 1:04PM0 -
RoyalSlyness✭✭I would not pay 5000 crowns, that's way too expensive. I would however probably drop $10 a pop and have all the alts I wanted.0 -
RoyalSlyness✭✭Doncellius wrote: »I dislike some things ZOS places in the Crown Store. However, they promised (and must) not become P2W.
This would be P2W.
I would permanently uninstall ESO. Finished. A valuable majority of the playerbase would follow suit.
ZOS may be foolish at times, but nowhere near dumb enough to make this mistake.
How is it pay to win? Simply being level 50 in no way makes you "win" anything. The idea of pay to win is that by paying you gain an advantage over other players who do not pay. In this case a level 50 would still be a level 50, there is no advantage.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No need to, with vet ranks removal, char slots and new Training trait.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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juhasman✭✭✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Seriously, you can grind a new character to level 50 in a couple of days (or less).
Couple of hours2 -
mike_de✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Not only would I not buy, I would find another game in a heartbeat.
Yes, because with that you get noobs with no *** clue how to play the game in NO time. Happenend in DDO, too.Never ever let players buy level ups. Playing is the only way to get skills.0 -
Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Not only would I not buy, I would find another game in a heartbeat.
Yes, because with that you get noobs with no *** clue how to play the game in NO time. Happenend in DDO, too.Never ever let players buy level ups. Playing is the only way to get skills.
Now THAT I wouldn't want. You could often tell when in EQ someone bought their account. Or plvd. But I thought the OP said you'd have to have leveled a character first. Have to double check maybe I misread that.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »To the previous expansion max lvl. Around tue time new xpac is announced the lvl for the character boost is increaaed. So kind of, but not totally.
I fully expect that the marketing people are pressing development to bump up the level cap from 50 to 55 or 60. In this way, they can market "Level 50 Boost" tokens to ease the burden of having to go all the way from 0 to max level.
I calculate no possible credible scenario that would result in ZOS missing out on this revenue.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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svartorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Not only would I not buy, I would find another game in a heartbeat.
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Tylersoh✭✭✭TheUrbanWizard wrote: »LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?
Lazy
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RoyalSlyness✭✭TheUrbanWizard wrote: »LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?
Lazy
This
The reason is that some people don't find questing enjoyable. They do however like doing trials with friends or running in PvP. Going through the same crap over and over again when you just want to try a different class is frustrating. If I get the idea I'd like to play as a Sorc one day I'd rather just jump in, setup my build, grab some gear and get to playing. I don't want to have to do talk to the Prophet five times again or run around looking for 15 bears to kill or run to the same dolmens or delves.
Some people who have never played at all might just get into the game because of a friend. I have a couple friends like this, who I've PVPed with in other games and want to jump in but don't care about the storyline.2 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭thealteregozero wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »thealteregozero wrote: »
To walk into a lvl 50 char would also mean that they have to give you all the skill points and attribute points associated with level 50. If that's not pay to win, what is?
The dilemma here is time...........time in this game is a convenience.......hence the banker and market companions, exp scrolls, rings of mara.....
Having to grind a character to 50 FIRST before having this option unlocked to the player isnt pay to win......
it's convenience. Convenience in this game = time. Not pay to win.
What's next? 100 cp for 5000 crowns?? I mean time is convenienice right?1 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RoyalSlyness wrote: »TheUrbanWizard wrote: »LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?
Lazy
This
The reason is that some people don't find questing enjoyable. They do however like doing trials with friends or running in PvP. Going through the same crap over and over again when you just want to try a different class is frustrating. If I get the idea I'd like to play as a Sorc one day I'd rather just jump in, setup my build, grab some gear and get to playing. I don't want to have to do talk to the Prophet five times again or run around looking for 15 bears to kill or run to the same dolmens or delves.
Some people who have never played at all might just get into the game because of a friend. I have a couple friends like this, who I've PVPed with in other games and want to jump in but don't care about the storyline.
Then I say, with no malice intended, play another game. Play something where you can dive right into the action.. because this? This is not a game where you can dive right into the action. If Endgame and PvP are all you are interested in... then why play this game? The Devs have placed, and continued to place, a heavy emphasis on PvE content in general, and storyline content in particular. So why go to a game that isn't, in its intention, constructed in the way you prefer... and then try to change that construction to the detriment of the people who do enjoy it the way it is?
There are MMOs out there which are more combat focused. ESO, due to its lineage, is more storyline focused. If they don't care about the storyline? Maybe don't bring them here.Edited by Iluvrien on July 30, 2016 4:20PM2 -
RoyalSlyness✭✭RoyalSlyness wrote: »TheUrbanWizard wrote: »LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?
Lazy
This
The reason is that some people don't find questing enjoyable. They do however like doing trials with friends or running in PvP. Going through the same crap over and over again when you just want to try a different class is frustrating. If I get the idea I'd like to play as a Sorc one day I'd rather just jump in, setup my build, grab some gear and get to playing. I don't want to have to do talk to the Prophet five times again or run around looking for 15 bears to kill or run to the same dolmens or delves.
Some people who have never played at all might just get into the game because of a friend. I have a couple friends like this, who I've PVPed with in other games and want to jump in but don't care about the storyline.
Then I say, with no malice intended, play another game. Play something where you can dive right into the action.. because this? This is not a game where you can dive right into the action. If Endgame and PvP are all you are interested in... then why play this game? The Devs have placed, and continued to place, a heavy emphasis on PvE content in general, and storyline content in particular. So why go to a game that isn't, in its intention, constructed in the way you prefer... and then try to change that construction to the detriment of the people who do enjoy it the way it is?
There are MMOs out there which are more combat focused. ESO, due to its lineage, is more storyline focused. If they don't care about the storyline? Maybe don't bring them here.
And I say back, no. Step back and think about this: If paying to get a character to level 50 becomes a thing, it will literally have no impact on you. At all. Your character will not be altered, your play experience will not change. Why are you against something that would increase enjoyment of the game for other people, make the company who created the game money which ensures the future of the game, and have LITERALLY NO IMPACT on your or the game itself? What is the root reason of your contention?
Do you place a high value on being level 50? You shouldn't. Do you think that you've earned some rite of passage by hitting level 50? You haven't. Please explain how you think it will impact you.
The PVP in ESO is fun. I like to play it, that's why I play it and not something else. You can enjoy a game and not want to grind or quest for days and days. As it is right now you're basically sitting here telling me "you're not having fun the correct way!", which is silly.1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RoyalSlyness wrote: »RoyalSlyness wrote: »TheUrbanWizard wrote: »LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?
Lazy
This
The reason is that some people don't find questing enjoyable. They do however like doing trials with friends or running in PvP. Going through the same crap over and over again when you just want to try a different class is frustrating. If I get the idea I'd like to play as a Sorc one day I'd rather just jump in, setup my build, grab some gear and get to playing. I don't want to have to do talk to the Prophet five times again or run around looking for 15 bears to kill or run to the same dolmens or delves.
Some people who have never played at all might just get into the game because of a friend. I have a couple friends like this, who I've PVPed with in other games and want to jump in but don't care about the storyline.
Then I say, with no malice intended, play another game. Play something where you can dive right into the action.. because this? This is not a game where you can dive right into the action. If Endgame and PvP are all you are interested in... then why play this game? The Devs have placed, and continued to place, a heavy emphasis on PvE content in general, and storyline content in particular. So why go to a game that isn't, in its intention, constructed in the way you prefer... and then try to change that construction to the detriment of the people who do enjoy it the way it is?
There are MMOs out there which are more combat focused. ESO, due to its lineage, is more storyline focused. If they don't care about the storyline? Maybe don't bring them here.
And I say back, no. Step back and think about this: If paying to get a character to level 50 becomes a thing, it will literally have no impact on you. At all. Your character will not be altered, your play experience will not change. Why are you against something that would increase enjoyment of the game for other people, make the company who created the game money which ensures the future of the game, and have LITERALLY NO IMPACT on your or the game itself? What is the root reason of your contention?
Do you place a high value on being level 50? You shouldn't. Do you think that you've earned some rite of passage by hitting level 50? You haven't. Please explain how you think it will impact you.
The PVP in ESO is fun. I like to play it, that's why I play it and not something else. You can enjoy a game and not want to grind or quest for days and days. As it is right now you're basically sitting here telling me "you're not having fun the correct way!", which is silly.
But since this patch you don't have to grind for days you can get to 50 in like 6-8hours. It was speficially changed for the reason of making new characters.
And why shouldn't people place having multiple 50 characters as high, it was only this patch that a lot of people started to make more characters. I'm going to assume you've been here for more than a month and know how hard it was to get to v16?
Do you know the amount of time it took to get v16? the amount of time grinding, the amount of time doing cadwell's silver and gold? and how many times people had to do it.
So yes people are going to be annoyed that someone can basically play the game for a few days and then decide they want 12x 50 characters with nothing but a wallet.
This IS a step in the p2w direction whether you see that or not you poll says everything, so continue to defend it you lost a while a go it seems.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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RoyalSlyness✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »RoyalSlyness wrote: »RoyalSlyness wrote: »TheUrbanWizard wrote: »LOL whats the point of playing a game if you can pay to bypass all the content thats been put there by developers for us to play?
Lazy
This
The reason is that some people don't find questing enjoyable. They do however like doing trials with friends or running in PvP. Going through the same crap over and over again when you just want to try a different class is frustrating. If I get the idea I'd like to play as a Sorc one day I'd rather just jump in, setup my build, grab some gear and get to playing. I don't want to have to do talk to the Prophet five times again or run around looking for 15 bears to kill or run to the same dolmens or delves.
Some people who have never played at all might just get into the game because of a friend. I have a couple friends like this, who I've PVPed with in other games and want to jump in but don't care about the storyline.
Then I say, with no malice intended, play another game. Play something where you can dive right into the action.. because this? This is not a game where you can dive right into the action. If Endgame and PvP are all you are interested in... then why play this game? The Devs have placed, and continued to place, a heavy emphasis on PvE content in general, and storyline content in particular. So why go to a game that isn't, in its intention, constructed in the way you prefer... and then try to change that construction to the detriment of the people who do enjoy it the way it is?
There are MMOs out there which are more combat focused. ESO, due to its lineage, is more storyline focused. If they don't care about the storyline? Maybe don't bring them here.
And I say back, no. Step back and think about this: If paying to get a character to level 50 becomes a thing, it will literally have no impact on you. At all. Your character will not be altered, your play experience will not change. Why are you against something that would increase enjoyment of the game for other people, make the company who created the game money which ensures the future of the game, and have LITERALLY NO IMPACT on your or the game itself? What is the root reason of your contention?
Do you place a high value on being level 50? You shouldn't. Do you think that you've earned some rite of passage by hitting level 50? You haven't. Please explain how you think it will impact you.
The PVP in ESO is fun. I like to play it, that's why I play it and not something else. You can enjoy a game and not want to grind or quest for days and days. As it is right now you're basically sitting here telling me "you're not having fun the correct way!", which is silly.
But since this patch you don't have to grind for days you can get to 50 in like 6-8hours. It was speficially changed for the reason of making new characters.
And why shouldn't people place having multiple 50 characters as high, it was only this patch that a lot of people started to make more characters. I'm going to assume you've been here for more than a month and know how hard it was to get to v16?
Do you know the amount of time it took to get v16? the amount of time grinding, the amount of time doing cadwell's silver and gold? and how many times people had to do it.
So yes people are going to be annoyed that someone can basically play the game for a few days and then decide they want 12x 50 characters with nothing but a wallet.
This IS a step in the p2w direction whether you see that or not you poll says everything, so continue to defend it you lost a while a go it seems.
Placing value on multiple level 50 characters just means you've spent more time in the game doing the same thing over and over again than other people. Not really something to be proud of.
I (and others) have a job, a relationship, friends, and other responsibilities outside of ESO. 6-8 hours of gameplay can take weeks to get in. The fact that getting to VR16 was such a grind before wasn't a positive feature, it was a design flaw. Again, P2W implies you have an advantage over other players because you spent money. Level 50 is level 50, if anything someone who is level 50 that paid for it would be at a disadvantage because of their lack of time with the class.
Really all your post says is that you get a sense of superiority by being able to say you've for multiple level 50's and don't want that diminished, which is silly. The fact that you spent hours in Old Orsinium or Imperial Sewers doesn't mean you've earned some badge of honor, it means your couch has a bigger dent than the other guy.
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leothedino✭✭✭✭Voted 'Depends'
If they had more classes, maybe. I cannot stand the Templar (the spells visually feel like I am playing one of the NPC enemies minus that healing beam) but I still managed to easily get one to 50 with the training traits and efficient hyper questing. With that done I now have all four classes under my belt, there is really no reason why a crownstore item would inspire me to have another.
Mind you, I never ever want to see another "class" added, but instead a complete class removal. It's not a TES game with these four limitations called Sorc, DK, NB and Templar.1 -
WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I want to get used to the skills I'm using and learn what tactics I need. As that's going to occur regardless, I'd just as soon do it during normal leveling. That has the added bonus that if I do something stupid I have the low level floating over my character's head to warn passerby that I don't know what I'm doing. :P It's like the immature plumage phase in birds.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭thealteregozero wrote: »
Champoion Points are also convenience i mean it only takes grinding, why not sell 501 CP packs in the Store? VMA weapons only need you to grind until you get the right one, well so does the whole game so lets sell "I`m the BO$$" packs too that contain everything after all its just a convenience item as it only removes the grind.1 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »So as people have already stated, you can grind to 50 in just a few days. Now you can just pop on to the crown store with your bought crowns and plop down 7 more level 50 toons on your account?
How in the *** is that NOT pay to win???
If getting to max level faster is P2W, then are the xp scrolls P2W? Subscriber xp buff? Marriage xp buff? The fact that they stack?
If they are not, then why is paying /more/ for /faster/ levels (instant, in this case) P2W?
XP pots are available in the actual game, for gold. You can get the exact same thing, instantly, for gold.
Instant lvl 50 is not available in the game...
So use that brain and stop trolling us.2
