dragons

Lightninvash · July 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

This has to be one of the most daft conversations I have actually ever read.

LoL, I want dragons and damned with your canon and lore, damned with your history, damned with everything this world represents.

I WANT IT SO IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE.

lol.

just.

lol.

I don't know the lore, it means absolutely nothing to me. Having a cool dragon mount however I'd be very interested in.

I want to know where in lore it allows you to change your race and appearance.... but it is something allowed in the game that isn't lore breaking lmao

starkerealm · July 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

well it makes sense if you think about it. I busted holes in the lore. just because no one has seen a baby dragon doesn't mean they just exist. Don't believe a dremora they all lie lol. there are too many holes in the lore where they didn't want to explain so there is a reason they didn't. meaning it is possible

You didn't "bust holes" in anything. All you've done is cry about how there must be baby dragons out there because this one time you saw two cars making out.

starkerealm · July 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

This has to be one of the most daft conversations I have actually ever read.

LoL, I want dragons and damned with your canon and lore, damned with your history, damned with everything this world represents.

I WANT IT SO IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE.

lol.

just.

lol.

I don't know the lore, it means absolutely nothing to me. Having a cool dragon mount however I'd be very interested in.

I want to know where in lore it allows you to change your race and appearance.... but it is something allowed in the game that isn't lore breaking lmao

Greenshade.

Lightninvash · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

[quote="Lightninvash;3214313"well it makes sense if you think about it. I busted holes in the lore. just because no one has seen a baby dragon doesn't mean they just exist. Don't believe a dremora they all lie lol. there are too many holes in the lore where they didn't want to explain so there is a reason they didn't. meaning it is possible

You didn't "bust holes" in anything. All you've done is cry about how there must be baby dragons out there because this one time you saw two cars making out.

show me where I said 2 cars made out. I mean if you watched the movie cars you'd know they did that. As I did say no one has seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The human soul can not be seen but it exists and we know that it does exist even though we cant see it. Just like baby dragons all things come from something. Nothing ever came from nothing.

Not to mention cars are inanimate objects thus having no life. Dragons are very much alive and capable of offspring. Where again your logic is flawed and invalid.

Lightninvash · July 2016

I mean as someone said previously dragons are cunning and very intelligent why would they let you be aware of the fact they have babies so you can come tame them or steal them. They would try to hide it and bury all the facts about that. Also could be why none are in this era they could be babies now growing into the beasts of the future.

starkerealm · July 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

show me where I said 2 cars made out.

Right about here:

Lightninvash wrote: »

I mean if you watched the movie cars you'd know they did that.

Lightninvash wrote: »

As I did say no one has seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The human soul can not be seen but it exists and we know that it does exist even though we cant see it.

That's actually a fairly complex theological debate that would go right over your head, so... I'm just going to set that aside, before you accidentally hurt yourself.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Just like baby dragons all things come from something. Nothing ever came from nothing.

Well, you've got two statements here. One of them is correct... -ish, and the other is a false assumption. The dragons were made by... I want to say Lorkhan, but I honestly can't be bothered to look it up and make sure that's the right one. So they did come from somewhere. But, they're not biological organisms, so they didn't hatch from eggs. They were created, but they don't reproduce. Much like Daedra, in that regard.

starkerealm · July 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

I mean as someone said previously dragons are cunning and very intelligent why would they let you be aware of the fact they have babies so you can come tame them or steal them. They would try to hide it and bury all the facts about that. Also could be why none are in this era they could be babies now growing into the beasts of the future.

No, the ones active in this era are all survivors of the Dragon Wars, and are very certainly adults. So much as the term applies to them, anyway.

If the dragons could reproduce, there would be more of them active. Because there would be no effective way to check their numbers. Instead, nearly every active dragon in the second era dates back to the Dragon War. Which... wouldn't make sense if they could procreate.

Lightninvash · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

show me where I said 2 cars made out.

Right about here:

Lightninvash wrote: »

I mean if you watched the movie cars you'd know they did that.

Lightninvash wrote: »

As I did say no one has seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The human soul can not be seen but it exists and we know that it does exist even though we cant see it.

That's actually a fairly complex theological debate that would go right over your head, so... I'm just going to set that aside, before you accidentally hurt yourself.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Just like baby dragons all things come from something. Nothing ever came from nothing.

Well, you've got two statements here. One of them is correct... -ish, and the other is a false assumption. The dragons were made by... I want to say Lorkhan, but I honestly can't be bothered to look it up and make sure that's the right one. So they did come from somewhere. But, they're not biological organisms, so they didn't hatch from eggs. They were created, but they don't reproduce. Much like Daedra, in that regard.

doesn't mean thy cant reproduce. just because there is no evidence of it which would bring me back to my last post as well

starkerealm · July 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Well, you've got two statements here. One of them is correct... -ish, and the other is a false assumption. The dragons were made by... I want to say Lorkhan, but I honestly can't be bothered to look it up and make sure that's the right one. So they did come from somewhere. But, they're not biological organisms, so they didn't hatch from eggs. They were created, but they don't reproduce. Much like Daedra, in that regard.

doesn't mean thy cant reproduce. just because there is no evidence of it which would bring me back to my last post as well

Actually it does.

Here's the problem. Dragons can revive other dragons. That's an option. They can bring each other back from the dead. Well, "from the 'dead.'"

Which means if all of the dragons die... there's no way to come back, and they'll all be effectively dead in the permanent sense.

Some like Paarthunax have legitimate reasons not to revive their fallen brethren. Others, like Vulthuryol, and Ahbiilok are unwilling to expose themselves long enough to start reviving other dragons.

Now, if they become the last dragon, and someone kills them, they're screwed.

If they can reproduce... that's a way to make sure that no one can utterly obliterate them. So, if that were an option, there would be very little reason not to pursue it... except, it's not. If a species facing extinction can reproduce, that's the only way to reliably rebuild their numbers.

starkerealm · July 2016

Incidentally, the dragons being immortal and eternal is from a daedra, with no particular incentive to lie on the subject. The part where they don't breed is independently sourced.

ScottK1994 · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

There's three or four that are explicitly active during this time, including a couple in Western Skyrim, and one in High Rock.

Also, given that the players aren't Dragonborn, there's a pretty solid justification for not being able actually kill them.

Aren't anyone able to kill Dragons but the Dragonborn was the one that absorbed the power from them? The first Dragon in skyrim that you kill was mostly due to the help of npcs

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2016

@starkerealm OP is obviously trolling. Just summon @ZOS_DaryaK or one of the other mods. At the VERY LEAST this is a duplicate thread.

starkerealm · July 2016

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

There's three or four that are explicitly active during this time, including a couple in Western Skyrim, and one in High Rock.

Also, given that the players aren't Dragonborn, there's a pretty solid justification for not being able actually kill them.

Aren't anyone able to kill Dragons but the Dragonborn was the one that absorbed the power from them? The first Dragon in skyrim that you kill was mostly due to the help of npcs

You can put them down, but you can't make it stick. Strictly speaking, there simply needs to be a dragonborn in the vicinity of a dragon when it's slain, to absorb it's soul. Mortals can take them down. It's a little unclear if dragons that are killed without a dragonborn present can simply self revive, or if they need a buddy to bring them back, but the latter is more likely.

ScottK1994 · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

One as a trial boss? I can see that.

I am sure there's maybe one or two in lore around at this time.

Not for riding though.

It would have to be a baby Dragon for a mount and that would be cruel anyway:P

Again, there are no baby dragons. That's like saying you expect to find a baby car.

You can find a baby car? :P
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QcS8t3HBGO4/T2wyZl5TXCI/AAAAAAAAAhA/HxSL8qwnDXs/s1600/Toy_baby_car_smart_bug_668R.jpg

But you're right that they apparently don't grow up from children.

starkerealm · July 2016

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

One as a trial boss? I can see that.

I am sure there's maybe one or two in lore around at this time.

Not for riding though.

It would have to be a baby Dragon for a mount and that would be cruel anyway:P

Again, there are no baby dragons. That's like saying you expect to find a baby car.

You can find a baby car? :P
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QcS8t3HBGO4/T2wyZl5TXCI/AAAAAAAAAhA/HxSL8qwnDXs/s1600/Toy_baby_car_smart_bug_668R.jpg

But you're right that they apparently don't grow up from children.

Well, now my eyes are bleeding. Thanks.

starkerealm · July 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@starkerealm OP is obviously trolling. Just summon @ZOS_DaryaK or one of the other mods. At the VERY LEAST this is a duplicate thread.

You should feel free to do so @WhiteCoatSyndrome.

ScottK1994 · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

There's three or four that are explicitly active during this time, including a couple in Western Skyrim, and one in High Rock.

Also, given that the players aren't Dragonborn, there's a pretty solid justification for not being able actually kill them.

Aren't anyone able to kill Dragons but the Dragonborn was the one that absorbed the power from them? The first Dragon in skyrim that you kill was mostly due to the help of npcs

You can put them down, but you can't make it stick. Strictly speaking, there simply needs to be a dragonborn in the vicinity of a dragon when it's slain, to absorb it's soul. Mortals can take them down. It's a little unclear if dragons that are killed without a dragonborn present can simply self revive, or if they need a buddy to bring them back, but the latter is more likely.

An npc dragonborn introduced into the game could create a nice storyline where we(lorewise) can legit be part of the elder scrolls history.

starkerealm · July 2016

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

There's three or four that are explicitly active during this time, including a couple in Western Skyrim, and one in High Rock.

Also, given that the players aren't Dragonborn, there's a pretty solid justification for not being able actually kill them.

Aren't anyone able to kill Dragons but the Dragonborn was the one that absorbed the power from them? The first Dragon in skyrim that you kill was mostly due to the help of npcs

You can put them down, but you can't make it stick. Strictly speaking, there simply needs to be a dragonborn in the vicinity of a dragon when it's slain, to absorb it's soul. Mortals can take them down. It's a little unclear if dragons that are killed without a dragonborn present can simply self revive, or if they need a buddy to bring them back, but the latter is more likely.

An npc dragonborn introduced into the game could create a nice storyline where we(lorewise) can legit be part of the elder scrolls history.

We're already, legitimately, part of history...

ScottK1994 · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

There's three or four that are explicitly active during this time, including a couple in Western Skyrim, and one in High Rock.

Also, given that the players aren't Dragonborn, there's a pretty solid justification for not being able actually kill them.

Aren't anyone able to kill Dragons but the Dragonborn was the one that absorbed the power from them? The first Dragon in skyrim that you kill was mostly due to the help of npcs

You can put them down, but you can't make it stick. Strictly speaking, there simply needs to be a dragonborn in the vicinity of a dragon when it's slain, to absorb it's soul. Mortals can take them down. It's a little unclear if dragons that are killed without a dragonborn present can simply self revive, or if they need a buddy to bring them back, but the latter is more likely.

An npc dragonborn introduced into the game could create a nice storyline where we(lorewise) can legit be part of the elder scrolls history.

We're already, legitimately, part of history...

Hm really? Has events we've been part of been mentioned in other games?(we're quite early in the middle of the timeline right?)

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2016

ScottK1994 wrote: »

An npc dragonborn introduced into the game could create a nice storyline where we(lorewise) can legit be part of the elder scrolls history.

It would be a massive breach of existing canon actually. The reason everything goes to Oblivion in the Second Era is because there IS no Dragonborn to wear the necklace and light the Dragonfires that keep the large-scale Daedric invasions from happening. There won't be until Tiber Septim shows up.

starkerealm · July 2016

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

I think it will happen eventually as a trial boss, it will be just one Dragon though. Apparently in the timeline they're extremely rare and purposefully keeping out of sight

There's three or four that are explicitly active during this time, including a couple in Western Skyrim, and one in High Rock.

Also, given that the players aren't Dragonborn, there's a pretty solid justification for not being able actually kill them.

Aren't anyone able to kill Dragons but the Dragonborn was the one that absorbed the power from them? The first Dragon in skyrim that you kill was mostly due to the help of npcs

You can put them down, but you can't make it stick. Strictly speaking, there simply needs to be a dragonborn in the vicinity of a dragon when it's slain, to absorb it's soul. Mortals can take them down. It's a little unclear if dragons that are killed without a dragonborn present can simply self revive, or if they need a buddy to bring them back, but the latter is more likely.

An npc dragonborn introduced into the game could create a nice storyline where we(lorewise) can legit be part of the elder scrolls history.

We're already, legitimately, part of history...

Hm really? Has events we've been part of been mentioned in other games?(we're quite early in the middle of the timeline right?)

Middle of the Second Era, and yeah. I mean, it's part of the setting's history now, so we're tied into the soulburst lore pretty tightly. The Interregnum was documented before ESO. Though, the details from previous games are always pretty fuzzy, so the Vestage might get mentioned in passing in future games, much like Warp in the West talks about Daggerfall, or the stray references to the Nerevarine in Oblivion and Skyrim.

ScottK1994 · July 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

An npc dragonborn introduced into the game could create a nice storyline where we(lorewise) can legit be part of the elder scrolls history.

It would be a massive breach of existing canon actually. The reason everything goes to Oblivion in the Second Era is because there IS no Dragonborn to wear the necklace and light the Dragonfires that keep the large-scale Daedric invasions from happening. There won't be until Tiber Septim shows up.

Hmm fair enough. Because of magic though we are able to travel to the past and future, maybe they'll use that in a trial

Shunravi · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

So lets say they add flying mounts some day, if dragons would be so bad, can't they just add some new creature that's similar to a dragon but not really a dragon? Keeps lore guys happy and lets those of us who prefer having cool stuff get what we want.

You can fly Bluedev's giant cliffracer... and be hated by everyone who played Morrowind... that's an option.

I have no idea what that means, does it look like a dragon?

Google Image Search: Morrowind Cliffracer, you'll see.

Meh those are ok but I'm thinking more like the Twilight Drake from WoW.

Trust me, the trolling potential of a cliffracer mount far outweighs anything you could dream of.

Lightninvash · July 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

starkerealm OP is obviously trolling. Just summon ZOS_DaryaK or one of the other mods. At the VERY LEAST this is a duplicate thread.

There is no active topic regarding dragons and we also can not necro a topic so a new one must be made to keep the ideas about dragons rolling and flowing. This thread is all about trying to come up with a way to somehow have land based dragon mounts. So this is by no means breaking any of the forum rules. but nice try turning this into a troll post. @WhiteCoatSyndrome

JKorr · July 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

[quote="Lightninvash;3214313"well it makes sense if you think about it. I busted holes in the lore. just because no one has seen a baby dragon doesn't mean they just exist. Don't believe a dremora they all lie lol. there are too many holes in the lore where they didn't want to explain so there is a reason they didn't. meaning it is possible

You didn't "bust holes" in anything. All you've done is cry about how there must be baby dragons out there because this one time you saw two cars making out.

show me where I said 2 cars made out. I mean if you watched the movie cars you'd know they did that. As I did say no one has seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The human soul can not be seen but it exists and we know that it does exist even though we cant see it. Just like baby dragons all things come from something. Nothing ever came from nothing.

Not to mention cars are inanimate objects thus having no life. Dragons are very much alive and capable of offspring. Where again your logic is flawed and invalid.

According to Paarthurnax, Alduin's younger sibling and chief lieutenant for much of the ancient Dragon War,[4] Alduin was once considered the greatest of Akatosh's creations.

Akatosh created them. Nothing says they were born/hatched. When the Dragon God of Time wants something to appear from nothing, it does. Logic doesn't always work over lore.

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

JKorr wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

[quote="Lightninvash;3214313"well it makes sense if you think about it. I busted holes in the lore. just because no one has seen a baby dragon doesn't mean they just exist. Don't believe a dremora they all lie lol. there are too many holes in the lore where they didn't want to explain so there is a reason they didn't. meaning it is possible

You didn't "bust holes" in anything. All you've done is cry about how there must be baby dragons out there because this one time you saw two cars making out.

show me where I said 2 cars made out. I mean if you watched the movie cars you'd know they did that. As I did say no one has seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The human soul can not be seen but it exists and we know that it does exist even though we cant see it. Just like baby dragons all things come from something. Nothing ever came from nothing.

Not to mention cars are inanimate objects thus having no life. Dragons are very much alive and capable of offspring. Where again your logic is flawed and invalid.

According to Paarthurnax, Alduin's younger sibling and chief lieutenant for much of the ancient Dragon War,[4] Alduin was once considered the greatest of Akatosh's creations.

Akatosh created them. Nothing says they were born/hatched. When the Dragon God of Time wants something to appear from nothing, it does. Logic doesn't always work over lore.

If this logic doesn't apply to this lore crap, the devs can basically do anything and justify it because reasons, DRAGON MOUNTS CONFIRMED!

Lightninvash · July 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

[quote="Lightninvash;3214313"well it makes sense if you think about it. I busted holes in the lore. just because no one has seen a baby dragon doesn't mean they just exist. Don't believe a dremora they all lie lol. there are too many holes in the lore where they didn't want to explain so there is a reason they didn't. meaning it is possible

You didn't "bust holes" in anything. All you've done is cry about how there must be baby dragons out there because this one time you saw two cars making out.

show me where I said 2 cars made out. I mean if you watched the movie cars you'd know they did that. As I did say no one has seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The human soul can not be seen but it exists and we know that it does exist even though we cant see it. Just like baby dragons all things come from something. Nothing ever came from nothing.

Not to mention cars are inanimate objects thus having no life. Dragons are very much alive and capable of offspring. Where again your logic is flawed and invalid.

According to Paarthurnax, Alduin's younger sibling and chief lieutenant for much of the ancient Dragon War,[4] Alduin was once considered the greatest of Akatosh's creations.

Akatosh created them. Nothing says they were born/hatched. When the Dragon God of Time wants something to appear from nothing, it does. Logic doesn't always work over lore.

If this logic doesn't apply to this lore crap, the devs can basically do anything and justify it because reasons, DRAGON MOUNTS CONFIRMED!

Right lol if dragons can poof themselves into existence then zos can poof dragon mounts into existence because they came from nothing and logic has no place in eso universe lol. Kind of an awkward thought process tbh

Lightninvash · July 2016

In all honesty I don't mind if the mount is even a sub species of dragon as long as it looks like one haha. For all intents purposes it would be a dragon in many eyes. I just think it would be a nice idea to have in the game. Be it a dragon or an off breed cousin of dragons or something.

nimander99 · July 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

They're hiding or dead.

And the game is not programmed to support flight in game.

Long story short:

No dragon for you.

Nor swimming under water, two big fails for Scrolls game... But I still love it.

Reverb · July 2016

No. Just no.

From where ESO is taking place in the 2nd era, there are no known dragons on Tamriel. All other Elder Scrolls titles take place after the timeline of ESO, and their history documents that dragons are believed to have been eradicated during the Dragon War. They are believed to be extinct until their reappearance in the 201st year of the 4th era. You can't introduce dragons into the 2nd era timeline of ESO without breaking the lore of pretty much the entire Elder Scrolls universe.